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Menshi · 2008-01-27, 21:41

Usually i'd just use a recommendation website, but this is sort of a specific request. I'd like to see more animes with a Lelouch,Gatts,Hiei, Revy, Alucard or Dark Schneider like character as the main character.... someone without morals. While looking through my list I realized that they're pretty rare. I don't really care what genre the anime is and I guess if it's even a main side character thats evil it might be alright.

I love Trigun, but throughout the whole thing I always think wow if Vash actually were a cold blooded killer i'd enjoy this series much more.

http://www.anime-planet.com/users/an...ed&perpage=all
*Heres a list of what i've already seen/dropped* Any advice would be appreciated.

kjk8288 · 2008-01-27, 21:47

Light from Death note definately fits. Light is exactly opposite from what a hero should be, evil to the extreme.

NightSamurai · 2008-01-27, 22:01

Kaze no Stigma seems to fit your description

tbl · 2008-01-27, 23:01

I'd say light is technically an anti-villain.

kjk8288 · 2008-01-27, 23:28

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Originally Posted by tbl

I'd say light is technically an anti-villain.

But he's not a hero either, he wouldn't hesitate to kill innocent people if they get in the way and he wants world domination where he is God. He's closer to a villian than a hero.

Supah Em · 2008-01-28, 03:12

only two people stand out in the anti-hero protagonist category:

The male leads of Death Note and Code Geass

tbl · 2008-01-28, 03:32

You might want to check out this thread, quite recent: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=61369

NightSamurai · 2008-01-28, 03:57

anti-hero: A central figure in a work that repels us by his or her actions or morality, yet who is not a villain. The Anti-hero accomplishes a useful purpose or even does heroic deeds.
anti-villain: is a character in a film, drama or literary work who pursues undeniably villainous ends, but employs methods that are arguably noble in order to advance his interests.

Looking at these definitions it is kind of hard to determine which Yagami Light falls under, personally I would define him as an anti-villain due to his goal of setting himself as a god; but then again I wouldn't necessarily define killing off "possible" criminals as "noble". But then again it all depends on your perspective, as one of Light's other goals was to establish a peaceful world... But these are merely semantics so I will stop wasting your time, I believe we all get the gist of what the TC wants.

jedinat · 2008-01-28, 04:05

Watched the first two episodes of Hakaba Kitaro just yesterday. Kitaro seems definite anti-hero material: Last survivor of the ghost tribe; doesn't understand humans; has an evil laugh; spends his free time in hell; etc.

Matrim · 2008-01-28, 10:48

Since you liked Revy, you could try Noir or Madlax. The characters there are not as cynical on the outside as Revy but have no qualms about killing people for money. And they kill quite a lot of people indeed.

Saber Cherry · 2008-01-28, 23:34

As stated, Death Note and Code Geass fit perfectly. However, their main characters are somewhat altruistic... they simply don't care what gets caught in their paths.

And I'll add two more to the list:
Gokudo is comic/fantasy/action, sort of like Slayers, but the main character is totally amoral, whereas Lina is just greedy.
Darker Than Black, like Noir, stars an assassin. It is unclear, at least for the first 20 episodes (where I am now), whether he has any morals; but he is certainly not altruistic.

tbl · 2008-01-29, 00:10

I know Light has somewhat noble intentions, but I can't see him as anything but a villain. He's a psychopathic serial killer on a massive scale.

Hellsing and Hellsing Ultimate (which is better) - Alucard.

S Class hunter Amon · 2008-01-30, 22:22

death note or code geass.....

felix · 2008-01-30, 22:28

Lucy in Elfen Lied

Saber Cherry · 2008-01-31, 00:23

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Lucy in Elfen Lied

Funny, I never thought of her as the 'hero', just the... 'subject'. But she is certainly wanting for a code of conduct. Along the same lines, Higurashi might qualify. I can't say that there is anyone who comes out smelling like roses, except for maybe one character, but I have not seen all of it. They all seem so cute and innocent, until...

Let me just say, I would not want to be stuck in a dark room with ANY of the characters in that series. Whereas with most of the other nominees, except Lucy, I'd feel somewhat safe.

There's also the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs. Kenshin is a sweet, cheerful pacifist in the TV series, but in his prior life, that was not so...

stelok · 2008-01-31, 21:39

Gun X Sword: Throughout the entire anime, Van rarely played hero. All Van cares about is getting revenge on the person who killed his bride. Van sometimes even ignores helpless people who asked for his help

Darker Than Black: Hei isn't exactly playing hero all the time. He works as an assassin for the syndicate but he has also helped others in spite of his lack of heroism.

Samurai Deeper Kyo: Demon Eyes Kyo is bad, very bad, but not evil. He is not good, either. He is such a badass fighter, caring only about what he wants and not caring about heroism, good and evil.

Neither Revy nor Hei are heroes. Revy is a mercenary, not dissimilar to Han Solo from Star Wars. Revy never plays hero nor fights for the good of the people. She fights for her own reasons but she is not a bad person, she is just selfish. In fact she fights to not just help herself, She also fights to help Rock.
She told him that she is Rock's gun and willing to protect Rock even though she has no interest in saving the Yakuza schoolgirl.
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itis · 2008-02-02, 03:08

Sunabozu aka Desert Punk. The lead character has no morals. He has no problem taking advantage of people, just to satisfy his greed. The first episode is kind of dull, but it gets better.

blewin · 2008-02-03, 22:52

Mugen from Samurai Champloo. He just kills whomever he doesn't like. He makes a contractive companion to one of his other travelling buddies, who is totally opposite in terms of moral code.

qtipbrit · 2008-02-03, 23:43

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Originally Posted by NightSamurai

anti-hero: A central figure in a work that repels us by his or her actions or morality, yet who is not a villain. The Anti-hero accomplishes a useful purpose or even does heroic deeds.
anti-villain: is a character in a film, drama or literary work who pursues undeniably villainous ends, but employs methods that are arguably noble in order to advance his interests.

I'm not quite sure you've got anti-villain down.
Anti-villains are those that pursue a noble goal (purification of the world) through villainous deeds (pwn'ing criminals).
I would actually say that Raito-kun is both an anti-hero and anti-villain, though you wouldn't really consider him a hero.

NightSamurai · 2008-02-03, 23:50

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I'm not quite sure you've got anti-villain down.
Anti-villains are those that pursue a noble goal (purification of the world) through villainous deeds (pwn'ing criminals).

That is an anti-hero, not an anti-villain.

2008-01-27, 21:41	Link #1
Menshi Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Animes with Anti-hero main characters Usually i'd just use a recommendation website, but this is sort of a specific request. I'd like to see more animes with a Lelouch,Gatts,Hiei, Revy, Alucard or Dark Schneider like character as the main character.... someone without morals. While looking through my list I realized that they're pretty rare. I don't really care what genre the anime is and I guess if it's even a main side character thats evil it might be alright. I love Trigun, but throughout the whole thing I always think wow if Vash actually were a cold blooded killer i'd enjoy this series much more. http://www.anime-planet.com/users/an...ed&perpage=all Heres a list of what i've already seen/dropped Any advice would be appreciated.

2008-01-27, 23:01	Link #4
tbl Affably Evil Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hammerspace or Australia, I forget which	I'd say light is technically an anti-villain. __________________ Destroy. Destroy. Destroy. Slowly, completely, gently beyond comparison, cruelly to the point of numbness, I'll violate your life. That's right. The instant I rip off your limbs, tear open your rib and pull out your intestines, biting into your neck as you scream in agony, chewing through your eyes as I ignore your pleas for mercy and spreading your brains on the ground like butter! I am sane, well more or less

2008-01-28, 03:32	Link #7
tbl Affably Evil Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hammerspace or Australia, I forget which	You might want to check out this thread, quite recent: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=61369 __________________ Destroy. Destroy. Destroy. Slowly, completely, gently beyond comparison, cruelly to the point of numbness, I'll violate your life. That's right. The instant I rip off your limbs, tear open your rib and pull out your intestines, biting into your neck as you scream in agony, chewing through your eyes as I ignore your pleas for mercy and spreading your brains on the ground like butter! I am sane, well more or less

2008-01-28, 10:48	Link #10
Matrim Naysayer?Fanboy?Wiseacre? Join Date: Dec 2005	Since you liked Revy, you could try Noir or Madlax. The characters there are not as cynical on the outside as Revy but have no qualms about killing people for money. And they kill quite a lot of people indeed. __________________ 'The world we live in is always in darkness.' 'Yes, and that is why we seek light.'

2008-01-29, 00:10	Link #12
tbl Affably Evil Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hammerspace or Australia, I forget which	I know Light has somewhat noble intentions, but I can't see him as anything but a villain. He's a psychopathic serial killer on a massive scale. Hellsing and Hellsing Ultimate (which is better) - Alucard. __________________ Destroy. Destroy. Destroy. Slowly, completely, gently beyond comparison, cruelly to the point of numbness, I'll violate your life. That's right. The instant I rip off your limbs, tear open your rib and pull out your intestines, biting into your neck as you scream in agony, chewing through your eyes as I ignore your pleas for mercy and spreading your brains on the ground like butter! I am sane, well more or less

2008-01-27, 21:47	Link #2
kjk8288 Caffein > Sleep Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: A frozen wasteland	Light from Death note definately fits. Light is exactly opposite from what a hero should be, evil to the extreme.

2008-01-27, 22:01	Link #3
NightSamurai Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Hawaii Age: 36	Kaze no Stigma seems to fit your description

2008-01-28, 03:12	Link #6
Supah Em WHO DO YOU THINK WE ARE?! Scanlator Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 36	only two people stand out in the anti-hero protagonist category: The male leads of Death Note and Code Geass

2008-01-28, 03:57	Link #8
NightSamurai Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Hawaii Age: 36	anti-hero: A central figure in a work that repels us by his or her actions or morality, yet who is not a villain. The Anti-hero accomplishes a useful purpose or even does heroic deeds. anti-villain: is a character in a film, drama or literary work who pursues undeniably villainous ends, but employs methods that are arguably noble in order to advance his interests. Looking at these definitions it is kind of hard to determine which Yagami Light falls under, personally I would define him as an anti-villain due to his goal of setting himself as a god; but then again I wouldn't necessarily define killing off "possible" criminals as "noble". But then again it all depends on your perspective, as one of Light's other goals was to establish a peaceful world... But these are merely semantics so I will stop wasting your time, I believe we all get the gist of what the TC wants.

2008-01-28, 04:05	Link #9
jedinat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 38	Watched the first two episodes of Hakaba Kitaro just yesterday. Kitaro seems definite anti-hero material: Last survivor of the ghost tribe; doesn't understand humans; has an evil laugh; spends his free time in hell; etc.

2008-01-28, 23:34	Link #11
Saber Cherry Marionette Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 24	As stated, Death Note and Code Geass fit perfectly. However, their main characters are somewhat altruistic... they simply don't care what gets caught in their paths. And I'll add two more to the list: Gokudo is comic/fantasy/action, sort of like Slayers, but the main character is totally amoral, whereas Lina is just greedy. Darker Than Black, like Noir, stars an assassin. It is unclear, at least for the first 20 episodes (where I am now), whether he has any morals; but he is certainly not altruistic.

2008-01-30, 22:22	Link #13
S Class hunter Amon Member Join Date: Sep 2007	death note or code geass.....

2008-01-30, 22:28	Link #14
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	Lucy in Elfen Lied __________________

2008-01-31, 21:39	Link #16
stelok I My Me Strawberry Eggs Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Philippines Age: 42	Gun X Sword: Throughout the entire anime, Van rarely played hero. All Van cares about is getting revenge on the person who killed his bride. Van sometimes even ignores helpless people who asked for his help Darker Than Black: Hei isn't exactly playing hero all the time. He works as an assassin for the syndicate but he has also helped others in spite of his lack of heroism. Samurai Deeper Kyo: Demon Eyes Kyo is bad, very bad, but not evil. He is not good, either. He is such a badass fighter, caring only about what he wants and not caring about heroism, good and evil. Neither Revy nor Hei are heroes. Revy is a mercenary, not dissimilar to Han Solo from Star Wars. Revy never plays hero nor fights for the good of the people. She fights for her own reasons but she is not a bad person, she is just selfish. In fact she fights to not just help herself, She also fights to help Rock. She told him that she is Rock's gun and willing to protect Rock even though she has no interest in saving the Yakuza schoolgirl. __________________

2008-02-02, 03:08	Link #17
itis Member Join Date: May 2007	Sunabozu aka Desert Punk. The lead character has no morals. He has no problem taking advantage of people, just to satisfy his greed. The first episode is kind of dull, but it gets better.

2008-02-03, 22:52	Link #18
blewin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007	Mugen from Samurai Champloo. He just kills whomever he doesn't like. He makes a contractive companion to one of his other travelling buddies, who is totally opposite in terms of moral code.