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Old 2018-10-18, 15:28   Link #81
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It's actually kind of becoming a proper idol anime know. As proper as it can get with zombies and a crazy producer, who was hilarious at the beginning of the ep by the way.

I wonder if the (bad) CGI was intentional. I certainly hope the next performances will look better than that.

Yugiri best girl by the way.
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Old 2018-10-18, 16:08   Link #82
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Still can't like the producer. His attitude is just about tolerable but the way he speaks just hurts my ears.

Is starting to feel more "idol" like now. Not sure if that is a good thing or not though, heh. And it seems our policeman is indeed going to be a regular - will he spring a surprise one episode and turn up in two scenes!?

^ I also wondered if the CGI was intentionally a bit awkward too. Only way is up, I guess?
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Old 2018-10-18, 16:41   Link #83
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It's actually kind of becoming a proper idol anime I know.
I'm not if sure this is a good thing though. What really got me into this show was that, for the first two episodes, the show was not a proper idol anime. First two episodes, the girls performed death metal and rap. that was pretty much the appeal, zombie idols performing music genres that aren't usually associated with j-idols. if the show becomes a "proper" idol anime, i'm afraid the show will become some generic idol anime, with the girls being zombies becoming nothing more than a gimmick. hopefully i'm just over worrying about this
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Old 2018-10-18, 18:15   Link #84
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I'm not if sure this is a good thing though. What really got me into this show was that, for the first two episodes, the show was not a proper idol anime. First two episodes, the girls performed death metal and rap. that was pretty much the appeal, zombie idols performing music genres that aren't usually associated with j-idols. if the show becomes a "proper" idol anime, i'm afraid the show will become some generic idol anime, with the girls being zombies becoming nothing more than a gimmick. hopefully i'm just over worrying about this
I'm with you there. The show would lose a lot of its charm if it tried to be as normal an idol anime as it can get.
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Old 2018-10-18, 18:53   Link #85
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Yeah, the "normal idol" aspect combined with the weak CGI made this episode the worst yet for me. Its second half, really, because the first one was still quite funny. But it's just not a concept that works if you try to play it too seriously, certainly not if done like this. Let's hope this isn't a trend, but I don't have too much hope.
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Old 2018-10-18, 19:07   Link #86
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I'm not sure if its becoming a "proper idol" show. Guerrilla performance is something that was started by punk rock groups.

Each episode feel like a parody of tv/movie concept.
Episode 1 was a scare movie parody.
Episode 2 was zombie movies + rappers.
Episode 3 was a parody of Love Live! (weak CGI included).
Episode 4 is going to be a parody of typical onsen episodes I bet.

Going by the opening sequence, it should turn into a Super Sentai parody eventually.

edit: episode 3 was kinda weak though, the jokes didn't land as well.

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Old 2018-10-18, 20:17   Link #87
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The Legendary Yamada Tae have been credited. Its no less than the Legendary Mitsuishi Kotono.
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Old 2018-10-18, 21:11   Link #88
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Maybe the should just stick to rap

Tae is really is a lot of fun
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Old 2018-10-18, 21:33   Link #89
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edit: episode 3 was kinda weak though, the jokes didn't land as well.
Because the first 2 episodes set such a high standard, we had much higher expectations. Trying not to be pessimistic here, but i really hope this anime isn't the kind of show that starts off amazing, and then fizzles out towards the end. I really would like this to become AOTS or even AOTY.
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Old 2018-10-18, 22:01   Link #90
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Because the first 2 episodes set such a high standard, we had much higher expectations. Trying not to be pessimistic here, but i really hope this anime isn't the kind of show that starts off amazing, and then fizzles out towards the end. I really would like this to become AOTS or even AOTY.
I'm rewatching both old and new episodes over and over everyday thanks to watching Sakura interact with the other zombie girls just to learn what antics they can come up with for the idol group.

Indeed, the first two episodes set such a high standard for the show that this current one sort of slowed down the frenzy that we were building up until now; lesson for us to not get too carried away with our hopes by setting expectations too high from the get go.

Nonetheless, I do agree with quite a few of you out there fearing that Zombieland Saga could eventually veer off towards developing into a typical idol show, and I would dread if that happens. I feel the anime's strength lies at how the staff can creatively play with tropes in order to parody them for gags and entertainment.

As we've previously posted, the third episode stopped cold our expectations built from previous episodes, as the girls focused more on rehearsing and practicing to deliver a guerilla performance like true idols. But doing so gave us, the audience, much dearth of information on both Junko and Ai at how they felt anxious and skeptical on this whole idol group "nonsense" attempting to put itself together, given that those two were experienced idols when alive.

Now, I'm commenting on the CGI employed during the whole street performance at the episode's climax. For me, I guess it was justified the bad quality of the CGI effects to remark to the audience that underneath all that cute make-up the girls are zombies, and their movements as such would be stiff and bizarre with all those crunching noise effects to emphasize the rigor mortis state of their current bodies.
Heck, even for gag and pun purposes, Yuugiri earlier in the same episode made the passing comment that with all of them being zombies wouldn't be surprising if their bodies started to give off foul stench of decay. Following, the girls' reactions were just priceless watching them all frenzied and suspicious at smelling themselves to look for possible foul odors.
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Old 2018-10-18, 22:30   Link #91
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So does Tae become obedient whenever it is convenient?
And is the dancing all going to be CG from now on?
And yeah, it is "cool" to hide Tae's VA and then reveal it is Mitsuishi Kotono (Legendary VA...?), but why reveal it now? If you aren't going to do that after a Tae episode, what was the point of hiding it in the first place?

Also, frankly, the motivation of the two to actually help perform and become cooperative is a bit weak.
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Old 2018-10-18, 23:15   Link #92
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So does Tae become obedient whenever it is convenient?
And yeah, it is "cool" to hide Tae's VA and then reveal it is Mitsuishi Kotono (Legendary VA...?), but why reveal it now? If you aren't going to do that after a Tae episode, what was the point of hiding it in the first place?
Episode 1 - 2 ending credits:


Episode 3 and forward ending credits:


You're right on the staff ruining part of the mystery shrouding Tae by revealing Mitsuishi Kotono as her seiyuu. However, Kotono-san is not listed as member of the group for this anime, Franchouchou, along with the six other seiyuu singing both the OP and ED songs.
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Old 2018-10-19, 00:46   Link #93
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Just watched the first episode of this.

...What. The. Fuck.
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Old 2018-10-19, 06:19   Link #94
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Unlike episode 1 and 2, episode 3 is Franchouchou doing idol genre.

Conflicting members, a moment of recollection on park, slap that come with "We can do it!" (the execution is just so wrong compare to how it usually played that it kinda hilarious), also sing a song anywhere without permission (LOL). CGI is not exclusive to Love Live, most idol anime / concert now using CGI too, you should try watching live concert of anime idols that have dance of both said idols with their anime ver. on big screen.

I'd say the problem is the main theme of this episode is idol genre have not many way to make stupid part from it (unlike metal and rap before) but from usual anime cliches. Making the delivery kinda weak compare to first two episodes. Then again, two of their member are former idols, I expected a bit of flashback-- but not happened.

Maybe its just me but the reveal of Mitsuishi Kotono is not surprising as Tae coughs on this episode pretty much telling who is her VA (especially if you used listening to Mitsuishi Kotono role before). Make me wonder if Tae will finally have some dialogue or turned out being major plot point someday.

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Old 2018-10-19, 07:34   Link #95
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The best part was when the girls smelled themselves to check if they smell rotten. 3 episodes in and now they worry about the obvious. XD
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Old 2018-10-19, 12:21   Link #96
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Maybe its just me but the reveal of Mitsuishi Kotono is not surprising as Tae coughs on this episode pretty much telling who is her VA (especially if you used listening to Mitsuishi Kotono role before). Make me wonder if Tae will finally have some dialogue or turned out being major plot point someday.

IMO, I think Tae's identity is irrelevant for plot purposes because judging at how Kōtarō plainly addresses her as being a legend without delving on her background or any achievements, pretty much to me that sums up that in life Tae was an ordinary girl, plain and simple.

I think that is the pun and gag with those sort of characters with "mystery" attributes, backgrounds, features, names, etc. The audience at times is too worried at making such a big deal or trying to make sense of whom they are, where they come from, why they sport or have such strange attributes or ticks, and/or if does their presence inside the show has merits.
That's not the point. The point with those kinds of characters is that their presence can provide comic relief or delivering funny puns in order for the audience to keep themselves invested in the humor.

For this show, for example, a few audience members may still feel incessantly bugged at how did Kōtarō managed to turn or resurrect the girls as zombies. BTW, that question was brought up by Sakura in the first episode. But again that doesn't matter, because how the girls ended up as zombies is irrelevant to the plot. What's important though is the girls being zombies are coping with their undead existences in order to pull themselves together to become a functional, idol group with the following goals in order of importance:
1. Becoming Saga's prefecture best idol group in order for Saga to become the talk of the nation.
2. (Long term) becoming Japan's best Idol Group ever.

Now, what could be interesting, depending if it becomes or not relevant for plot purposes, would be the show raising the topic on the reasons, if they are any, at why the girls died.
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Old 2018-10-19, 17:34   Link #97
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The chapter was still funny and seems next season is already the mandatory onsen episode
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Old 2018-10-20, 15:45   Link #98
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As we've previously posted, the third episode stopped cold our expectations built from previous episodes, as the girls focused more on rehearsing and practicing to deliver a guerilla performance like true idols. But doing so gave us, the audience, much dearth of information on both Junko and Ai at how they felt anxious and skeptical on this whole idol group "nonsense" attempting to put itself together, given that those two were experienced idols when alive.

For me, I guess it was justified the bad quality of the CGI effects to remark to the audience that underneath all that cute make-up the girls are zombies, and their movements as such would be stiff and bizarre with all those crunching noise effects to emphasize the rigor mortis state of their current bodies.
Maybe i was overly critical earlier. While weaker than the explosive, fast paced first two episodes, ep3 was still a good, enjoyable episode overall. it focused more on introducing the characters and allowing more interaction between them, unlike the first two episodes where the spotlight was mostly on sakura. A breather, development episode basically. and in the context of being a parody of other idol shows, the jokes, the bad cgi does make sense.
the main cause of my worries was that it seemed the episode was taking the show into the "proper" idol anime direction, which would have killed most of the appeal.
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Old 2018-10-20, 16:08   Link #99
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In their defense? a lot of good idol anime have bad CG at the beginning. Aikatsu have pretty shit CG in the first episodes and improve with the time but well, it had 50+ episodes and here we haven't that luxury.
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Old 2018-10-20, 21:05   Link #100
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Since Zombie Land Saga isn't based on a source material, the producers and staff may or not decide to generate multiple, split cours for this show. Nonetheless, that direction also poses risks as with each passing season the contents for this show could become stagnant and the jokes redundant, moreover, that the show itself could completely transition into an all-out idol group anime.

However, from what I read and researched in the other forums the point of Zombie Land Saga is to parody both the Idol J-Pop groups and the zombie genera while playing with tropes of other stuff for comedy effects.

That means the current show cannot steer too much in either direction because the whole premise that this anime is trying to sell is zombie, undead girls becoming the hit of the nation as an idol group.

The following extremes would suck if the producers opt for any of those routes:
1. Kōtarō promising to resurrect the girls as fully, alive humans as long as they succeed at becoming Saga's best idol group in history, and, eventually, he commits to his promise.

2. Or the girls eventually reverting back to being mindless zombies.

To be honest, I do not wish for Tae awakening her consciousness becoming a smart zombie. The charm of her character at being a mindless zombie is to be the vessel for most comedy relief. IMO that would kill her character off, since she's also a reminder for the girls that they're now zombies and all of them already dead to boot.
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