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As a side note, even the sauce is different. Tonkatsu is usually eaten with Worcester in a separate bowl, while donkatsu uses a tomato/beef-based sauce on the donkatsu itself. |
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2013-02-05, 04:34 | Link #2924 |
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Some people ought to pick up Patrick Galbraith's Idols and Celebrity in Japanese Media Culture. Not quite the best, but the closest thing to a serious scholarly treatise on the idol phenomenon and Japanese mass media in general (for example, how Japanese news organizations deal with celebrity-related incidents).
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2013-02-05, 04:46 | Link #2925 | |
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Where do we draw the line between "Occupational Responsibility" and "Exploitation"? How would you feel if you were on the receiving end of such a contract? If it was your life that was totally controlled? |
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2013-02-05, 04:50 | Link #2926 |
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Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: If you cannot accept the hypocrisy of having a personal life that goes directly against the foundation of one's occupation, there is going to be no agreement. That is the core issue here, not some unrelated "exploitation" that amounts to nothing but an unintentional red herring. |
2013-02-05, 05:25 | Link #2927 | |
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I wonder how you'd feel about "Occupational responsibility" if you'd ever been on the receiving end of such a contract yourself. Employees have the responsibility to do a good job, but likewise Employers have the responsibility of ensuring their employees are healthy, happy and have good working conditions. A "no-dating" policy might seem mild to you, but it's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the control the production companies have over these Idols. These idols have long since ceased to be real people in their eyes, and are now simply products to be sold, and thrown away when they've been used up. If you say the idols are failing in their occupational responsibilities, I would say their employers and fans have failed even more. |
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2013-02-05, 05:27 | Link #2928 |
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Again, you're constantly bringing up irrelevant issues to the discussion. Furthermore, what evidence do you have of "the control the production companies have over these Idols" to the extent you describe? You might as well bring those out first before following the sensational trash we get these days.
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2013-02-05, 05:29 | Link #2929 |
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I guess I'll ask now (not trying to get in the argument, just asking for a fact from anyone who knows for sure):
How much control do the AKB48 employers have over the girls? I know that they have the rule about no dating, but does that not only apply to their image? Would it be fine if a member had a lover, but never let the public know and kept it under cover the whole time (assuming no one blows their cover for them)? Like, if they maintained a fake image for the public, and did whatever they wanted (at least concerning going to a boyfriend or girlfriend's house), would that be fine? |
2013-02-05, 05:41 | Link #2930 |
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Say, I'd like to ask.
In anime/manga/galge, the Japanese seems to have a mindset that experience in dating = experience in sex. And that losing your virginity asap is something to look up to. How true is this really?
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2013-02-05, 05:49 | Link #2931 |
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Quite an absurd post, but I'll answer it decently.
Not really. It's more like "If you were dating seriously, wouldn't sleeping with the one you're dating be natural?" kind of mentality. Basically, if one is not just fooling around (as in not being serious about the relationship), going all the way is seen as the natural result. Obviously there is quite a hedonistic streak these days, but the basic idea is that a serious relationship could and would include sex. |
2013-02-05, 05:51 | Link #2932 | |
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It's Kpop that's getting the attention lately, I'd be happy to hear that Jpop is better. However it doesn't seem so structurally different. For what it's worth, according to this article, AKB48's contract is probably illegal. |
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Hey, I was merely asking how much truth exist in there, not that I'm asserting it.
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As a note, I'm asking this because I just recently read molester man and there the protagonist seems to imply that history of dating=history of sex.
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Of course, the fact that I run myself pretty harsh might taint my views, but I have to ask this fundamental question: What industry is NOT like this, supposing things are as bad as some of the less sensational news providers say they are? The way I see it is that people are only focusing on the visible targets while ignoring the everyday abuses that happens everywhere else. Quote:
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The contracts K-Pop artists are under are some of the harshest I've ever heard of. They are quite exceptionally harsh, at least on western standards. The last time we had conditions like that was in the 19th century. I can't speak from personal experience at the moment, as I'm unemployed, but everything I've applied to (Engineering work) have quite rigorously enforced labour and safety laws. For instance I interviewed for shift work positions, and even with that unpleasantness your hours were limited and you only had to work 3/4 12 hour days a week. It's not just for one person to control another, as invariably they'll use that control for evil purposes. That's why we have labour laws. |
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Now I would agree that the agencies can stipulate what their public lives are like. But they have no right to stipulate anyone's private life, because it's private, IE by it's definition it is not their concern, no one should ever see it. If Idols are discreet but get found out by Paparazzi, it should not be the idol suffering the consequences, but the Paparazzi for intruding on the idol's privacy. It is the paparazzi destroying the product, not the idol. If an idol loses sales due to the actions of the paparazzi, then the company should sue the paparazzi for lost earnings. Whether two people visit one another is nobody's business but those two people. The fans, tabloids and production companies have to suck it up and deal with it. Quote:
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Not in SEA, sorry. Engineers/Technicians are all disposable assets and their health/risk compensations are total liabilities. That is why nobody wants to study engineering anymore. We are employees, and if we are deemed "not to add value to the company", out we go. P.S I am currently a tech working for an Asian electronics company - I risk my job day-to-day arguing with those elitist foreign expats who know little to nothing about technical work about almost anything, from work safety to PMI to work process. They ARE annoyed that a lowly technician earning one-third their wage level that knew more than they do because HR didn't tell them that this one is a uni dropout who works blue-collar. They keep me because nobody else out in the market wants to do this work. They put up a notice that is only filled in 6 months. I love the nature of my job because the chuunibyou in me thinks that he is MacGyver, but I hate working with people who think they are better because they are from a more developed country with a higher level of education. I guess there will come a day of enlightenment where we young-uns grow up and start to ignore and walk away from them. Experience tells me Asian businesses are like that, but there isn't any way to show respect when your boss is not as godly as hierachy or Asian work culture dictates them to be.
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