Toradora! - Episode 24 Discussion / Poll

[Ryuou]

Originally Posted by Man0warr

It follows the novels pretty closely, too closely almost - which leads to alot of exposition, which is also kind of evident in the novels, there are alot of characters and organizations that pop up and get explained on the fly.

Originally Posted by VRMN

Yeah, the issues with Index stem from the source material, honestly. The upcoming adaptation of the Toaru Kagaku no Railgun manga should be interesting, since that's really far better. (Doesn't hurt that Mikoto is a far, far better character than Index ever was, and that Touma is much better as a not preachy secondary character. ^^;; )

Thanks for letting me know. Now I will avoid picking up the novels.

Anyways...
Minorin's "Giant Saraba" is a parody from Kakugo no Susume.
I didn't catch that one, I've never read Kakugo.

I kind of liked that part. Kansetsu kisu.

"The male partner must be 18 years of age or older and the female partner must be 16 years of age or older."

You can't marry without your parents approval because you have to be 20 to create a family registry of your own. So when you marry you are included in one of your Family's registry, either the boy's or the girl's.
Unlike in the USA, only by registering you become legaly married and any ceremony has not legal concequences. So leaving someone at the altar is not big deal if you had already registered earlier.

But it the case where they enter into one of their family's registry, don't they still need permission? As far as I know they would.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle

Ami forces Ryuji to make a cool confession that he likes Taiga, meaning she can now officially move on. She seems to take it perfectly well. Not so for Minorin, who's been holding back until Ryuji and Taiga are out of sight and earshot before breaking down. Poor girl. At least these two make a great yuri couple will become good friends from now on.

I kind was sniffing when Minorin kissed the spot in her first where she touched Ryuji's lip. I was surprised when she broke down in front of Ami.

[Kinny Riddle]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

What annoys me is the whole culture that seems to encourage this sort of speak-before-thinking attitude, and acts like because they have an opinion about something there must absolutely be a flaw in whatever they're criticizing simply because they don't like it. That's nonsense. No blogger or forum poster is going to convince me, just by the virtue of their having an opinion, that they know more about good writing than the actual people who wrote the show. I guess it's sort of the old "everyone's a critic" bit, except that it doesn't help when those people are also both arrogant and ignorant. In general, I would love to see less outrage and more reasoned analysis, but clearly this isn't the way to feed one's ego online. People just want to be told "you're right, that was so totally stupid and wrong, and it's the show's fault for being poor!" rather than "the show may be just fine; maybe you should watch it again to pick up on all the things you missed the first time and think about it". More often than not, the problem is the latter and not the former. Anyway, pipe dreams...

This paragraph deserves all the positive reps I can ever give you, for you have just described the phenomenon found in almost every other internet forum, whether the discussion is about anime, science fiction, drama, football, politics, schools, etc.

Sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but they're going to have to realize that every opinion, including my own, would be subject to scrutiny of anyone and everyone. The less "reasonable" you are, the more you're going to find yourself stuck in mud.

I kind was sniffing when Minorin kissed the spot in her first where she touched Ryuji's lip. I was surprised when she broke down in front of Ami.

Aye, that little bit was executed perfectly. Minorin's final indirect kiss to Ryuji, her way of saying goodbye to her hopes of ever being with Ryuji.

[fish eric]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

**cough**Kanon 2006**cough**

i watched it in rather poor streaming quality so maybe thats why it didn't stand out.

[Ryuou]

Originally Posted by Ryuou

There were some parts in this episode that I thought were pretty good though.

Since a couple people have also mentioned the Minori indirect kiss (kansetsu kisu) as being handled well, I guess I'll go ahead and finish this thought I posted after watching the episode. I may accidently leave out some. So here are the parts that I thought were handled nicely this episode.

- Minori's kansetsu kisu
- Ami's confirmation of Ryuji's feelings for Taiga
- When Taiga went to the cake store and ran into Ryuji (all except for Ryuji’s answer at the end, although it was fitting of his character)
- Minori's breakdown with Ami there

To a lesser extent
- Taiga and Ryuji's conversation on the bridge before the suicide bit came up
- Taiga and Ryuji on the train with their elopement rations
- Ryuji introducing himself and Taiga to his grandparents.

I think I got them all. Listing the problems isn't as fun so I don't think I’ll do it. I'll just note again though, on a whole I had some problems with this episode.

[othera]

eep, how long do the subs normally take? :/

[typhonsentra]

The earliest you should check is early evening tonight. It might not show up until tomorrow morning though.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by othera

eep, how long do the subs normally take? :/

Also be aware it is college finals week for many colleges -- if any of the team has finals, one should hope they are giving priority to those.

[fish eric]

Ok according to Wikipedia. Japanese law states that If a man is over the age of 18 and a woman is over the age of 16 they can marry with one parents' signature.

so if he could have talked his mom into it it would have been okay. Ya-chan said before that she wanted them to marry so maybe he thought he can go tell his mom sorry and use the marriage as an ice breaker.

or maybe he was just gonna steal his mom's seal and use it to fill out the paperwork?

[Deathkillz]

So...back onto the episode itself...

Spoiler:

Well I think we all pretty much saw the Taiga x Ryuuji pairing from god knows how long away but ultimately their choice of action proves to be utterly ridiculous (and reading through the whole tread, no, it has nothing to do with me not being able to connect the dots). I mean I don't really approve of this rebellious "running away from home with your lover" phase, which may very well be common in the real world, in general and this includes being in anime form. It isn't like they both had a good reason to run away (I might reconsider otherwise if child abuse was a problem) so what they did here falls into the "naive" category.

Not to mention the scene with Ryuuji laying it onto the mother that he cares about so much. I know that there comes a time where rage just takes over but really now...Ryuuji should have known better than anyone else how much those words must hurt his mother...each word was like a sharp blade stabbing her heart as he makes Yasuko feel a failure of a parent (even though she tries so hard). But while he may have a reason to rage back, since Yasuko suddenly started on him (if fact the whole scene just seemingly came out of nowhere for the sake of pushing the plot forward in a dramatic manner...I mean since when did Taiga have a mother ).

For Taiga though...sheesh I do wish they would make her reasons for raging like that a bit more clear since I find it hard to empathsise with her argument as she is coming across as being someone who is just sulking

[leonard267]

I must ask:
What are the contents of Yasuko's letter to Ryuuji in this episode?
What were the reasons for both Taiga and Ryuuji to elope?

Spoiler:

Toradora! never fails to take me by surprise sending blow after blow and making my nights sleepless. Eloping and being unreasonable towards Yasuko was rather unexpected. I have to read the subtitles to be sure whether it is too sudden or out of the blue.

In my opinion, this episode is so alike to a fairy tale, mainly because it is surreal and heart-warming (or heart-breaking) at the same time. I think I understand why some rated this episode as "painful". It is so good that it is actually painful.

At the same time, I am also full of disapproval though about eloping. If it were real, I do not think I would have stood by and done nothing, much less help them to elope.

[houkoholic]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

So...back onto the episode itself...
Well I think we all pretty much saw the Taiga x Ryuuji pairing from god knows how long away but ultimately their choice of action proves to be utterly ridiculous (and reading through the whole tread, no, it has nothing to do with me not being able to connect the dots). I mean I don't really approve of this rebellious "running away from home with your lover" phase, which may very well be common in the real world, in general and this includes being in anime form. It isn't like they both had a good reason to run away (I might reconsider otherwise if child abuse was a problem) so what they did here falls into the "naive" category.

Which is the preciously the point. You are not suppose to approve of them running away and they are suppose to appear naive in their decision to do so. You seem to be mixing up two completely different parts of the plot and criticize them as one: 1) the plot point of the Ryuji X Taiga pairing - which for all intent and purpose is laid out extremely well for the entire series, and 2) their decision to run away from home, which is suppose to feel abrupt, naive and irrational. The characters *inside* the story don't approve point 2 (such as Minorin), so I can't see how Ryuji/Taiga being naive here can be counted as anything *but* intentional on the writers' part.

I mean since when did Taiga have a mother .

We've knew that since two episodes ago when they specifically said Taiga was picked up by her mum after the accident at the mountain. The reason for the writing to keep it a secret was because it is another bombshell in Taiga's life - Taiga was faking her happiness with her mum so that Ryuji won't worry about her (refer back to two episodes ago when she come back and talked with Ryuji about how she was spending good times with her mum), but in reality her relationship with her mum was about as good as that with her dad.

For Taiga though...sheesh I do wish they would make her reasons for raging like that a bit more clear since I find it hard to empathsise with her argument as she is coming across as being someone who is just sulking

Did you actually understood any of the dialogue she said about her family?
1) We already knew her dad is a bastard. The problem now is his business failed and he went bankrupt, so he ran.
2) Taiga's mum already re-married and is pregant with a child with her new husband. The only reason she took Taiga back was due to (1) when Taiga got into the accident and she's still legally Taiga's guardian.

I think that's plenty of clearly defined reasons to rage if that's how your parents treat you - as a burden that's tossed between the father and the mother.

[Janifuu]

Originally Posted by leonard267

I think I understand why some rated this episode as "painful". It is so good that it is actually painful.

I highly doubt that that would be the reason why the "usual" people gave the episode a 1 rating I do agree though~ this episode was so good, it hurt.

[frivolity]

Originally Posted by Janifuu

I highly doubt that that would be the reason why the "usual" people gave the episode a 1 rating I do agree though~ this episode was so good, it hurt.

I ate an orange today,
But it was still sour, so I cried.
Because it's unlike me to leave any behind,
I ate it all.
I loved it; I felt like crying.
I loved it, I loved.

[physics223]

My close friend thought this was the most disappointing episode of Toradora. We were both expecting a lot, and Toradora has been quite consistent. Well, I trust her opinions, and I've been disappointed with Toradora the past week as well, so ...

There's always Spice and Wolf II coming this year.

[Toreno]

Originally Posted by physics223

My close friend thought this was the most disappointing episode of Toradora. We were both expecting a lot, and Toradora has been quite consistent. Well, I trust her opinions, and I've been disappointed with Toradora the past week as well, so ...

There's always Spice and Wolf II coming this year.

If Spice and Wolf is so much better than Toradora why are you still here then? You already said that a hundred times...

[typhonsentra]

Originally Posted by Janifuu

I highly doubt that that would be the reason why the "usual" people gave the episode a 1 rating I do agree though~ this episode was so good, it hurt.

It's funny the shippers might've taken it harder than the characters in the show.

Something that was interesting in how both girls (Ami and Minori) dealt with asking Takasu about how he felt about Taiga (I don't know if it's been mentioned yet) differently:

Minori stopped asking after a simple one syllable response to her question. He tried the same thing with Ami she kept pressing for him further.

[physics223]

Originally Posted by Toreno

If Spice and Wolf is so much better than Toradora why are you still here then? You already said that a hundred times...

Because I'm free to discuss the show, as you are.

Has anyone else found the recent episodes of Toradora to be quite disappointing as well? I do know it's not just me, since my friends have noticed the waning quality of the series near its ending. (She's Japanese, by the way, so she understands fully even without subtitles.)

[fish eric]

Originally Posted by physics223

My close friend thought this was the most disappointing episode of Toradora. We were both expecting a lot, and Toradora has been quite consistent. Well, I trust her opinions, and I've been disappointed with Toradora the past week as well, so ...

There's always Spice and Wolf II coming this year.

What was disappointing in it? it finally tied up alot of loose ends between Ryuji and taiga, ami and minori. between ami and minori and between taiga and ami.

thats what I have been wanting for the last few episodes so I thought that was nice.

seems like lotsa peoples gots lotsa problems with this episode though


maybe im just easily amused.

[Janifuu]

Originally Posted by physics223

Has anyone else found the recent episodes of Toradora to be quite disappointing as well? I do know it's not just me, since my friends have noticed the waning quality of the series near its ending. (She's Japanese, by the way, so she understands fully even without subtitles.)

In what way has the quality been waning? And in what way do you find it disappointing?