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Old 2020-06-14, 23:36   Link #41
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I can live with his manga backstory staying the same but by all means I hope they update or outright change the character design. It was terrible in 2001 and it's terrible now. No reason to give it a pass just for the sake of nostalgia or whatever, and I say this as someone who's rewatched the old anime more times than I can count
What is so bad about him? He's because is black? or more like the ultimate black stereotype? black in New York, gangster, murderer, the clown of the group, big lips, afro and depending of the dub jamaican accent?

I hope they didn't take away anything as his aesthetics ironically go well with his Over Soul and after everything Takei fought to keep the work as he wanted it I hope he hasn't backed in this one.
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Old 2020-06-15, 06:52   Link #42
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I think make his lips less pronounced, otherwise his design is pretty alright.


For a certain arc's theme song, I wonder if they'll use this song.
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Old 2020-06-27, 22:59   Link #43
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As an African Canadian I have zero problems with chocolove's back story in fact it shouldn't be ignored and changing it would actually be racist, the fact is
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so this one of the few examples were I'm happy japan is doing whatever they want.
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Old 2020-06-28, 00:19   Link #44
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Differing opinion from another black person. I haven't seen the previous version of this show so will reserve judgement on rather or not his portrayal is racist, but I can see how it could potentially be problematic.

Yes, black men in gangs happens, but gangs happen in all races. I can personally count on one hand the number of my family members who were part of a gang, I'd need several dozen hands to count the number of them who were not. But, I realize everyone's experience is different.

However, is Chocolove the sole representation of our race, because even still were more then just gangs and violence. What was the authors reason for making him a former gang member? We may never know, unless the show hints at it, but if he just wanted to show a character struggling to come up in the world, you can do that without making him a gang member.

The problem is that making a black character, especially a black man a gang member or a former gang member has become an overused stereotype, especially in western media. And, I imagine you may know, that for decades we've fought against such stereotypes, and for better representation, and continue to do so.

Western countries and the US especially export a lot of it's media around the world, and in some instances how they've portrayed us may be the only exposure some people have to black Westerners, especially black Americans of which I am one. And, Japan is not exactly known for it's racial diversity. As such, many Japanese people would have little first hand knowledge of black life, and would mostly rely on what they see imported to them, which is more often then not white people's notions about black life.

Yedoye, from the youtube channel Get in the Robot, actually has a very interesting video about this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AEQJZ_BzJk&t=1s.

Anyway, I said all that to say, no I don't believe that changing his character would itself be racist, especially if Chocolove's characterization is in fact problematic. For my part I'll just have to wait and see.
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Old 2020-06-28, 01:18   Link #45
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The problem is that making a black character, especially a black man a gang member or a former gang member has become an overused stereotype, especially in western media. And, I imagine you may know, that for decades we've fought against such stereotypes, and for better representation, and continue to do so. Anyway, I said all that to say, no I don't believe that changing his character would itself be racist, especially if Chocolove's characterization is in fact problematic. For my part I'll just have to wait and see.
I someone who has read the manga I'll try to keep it spoiler free as possible the whole thing about Chocolove's character is his dream is to be a comedian he wish to bring laughter not violence you have to understand he came from a very depressing childhood after a certain event happened the character you see in the anime wasn't the character you see in his flash back were he killed a lot of people it wasn't until he meet a certain someone where he learned " its okay to smile" changing the gang aspect changes the character and his goal and whatever back story we would get wouldn't be as powerful as what the manga did ( anyone who read the manga knows what I'm talking about) hence why I'm okay with his backstory, I do think his design needs some work but there isn't anything really wrong with the back story.
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Old 2020-06-28, 07:41   Link #46
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Wow, didn't see this coming.

This anime was a childhood classic for me. Happy that it gets the FMAB treatment.
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Old 2020-06-30, 20:16   Link #47
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I'm concerned about the reboot's style. The manga sometimes did stuff way too comical during serious situations like Manta defeating bikers. Mizushima tried balancing the comedy and drama sometimes with this case using Ryu to aid Manta.

Same with Yoh's characterization sometimes and his relationship with Hao. In the anime Hao completely shocked Yoh when revealing the truth while in the manga Yoh already knew from the beginning.

There is also almost half about Lyserg and Horohoro too.
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Old 2020-07-13, 14:20   Link #48
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Shaman king news in july 23

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Old 2020-09-16, 20:07   Link #49
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Animated PV



Bridge is animating it.
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Old 2020-09-16, 22:02   Link #50
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*looks for Chocolove*
*sees almost nothing*

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Old 2020-09-16, 22:41   Link #51
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Bridge is animating it.
So apparently they got everybody back for the new version save for Yuko Sato. Yoh is now played by Yoko Hikasa.
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Old 2020-09-17, 00:21   Link #52
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The only problem I have with this reboot is that it has Gen Fukunaga paws all over it and they might want to do some changes either on the dub or maybe even suggest some changes on the original (I can almost hear they saying "not enough lgbtq+ characters and there is a huge cast" or something else not in the original manga). I hope I am wrong.
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Old 2020-09-17, 10:00   Link #53
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The only problem I have with this reboot is that it has Gen Fukunaga paws all over it and they might want to do some changes either on the dub or maybe even suggest some changes on the original (I can almost hear they saying "not enough lgbtq+ characters and there is a huge cast" or something else not in the original manga). I hope I am wrong.
I don't think they're going to make any creative changes that the author doesn't approve of.
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Old 2020-09-17, 18:17   Link #54
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Yuki Hayashi has also conformed he's scoring the series.
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Old 2020-09-17, 19:20   Link #55
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Yuki Hayashi has also conformed he's scoring the series.
OST confirmed to be a banger .
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Old 2020-09-17, 20:00   Link #56
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I don't think they're going to make any creative changes that the author doesn't approve of.
TBT japanese don't care about their works outside japan and/or in other languages, so the english dub could redefine a character (anyone remember 4kids Sailor Uranus?) quite easily, moreso if the alternate dub lines were thought before the animation is done.

I have to add that this being done by a small studio does not give me the "brotherhood" feel, this is a action anime, which means costly animation sequences and I feel they are going to cut on those to keep the costs down. Since crunchyroll most likely wont pitch any money since if this is done after years of rumors, no doubt this is a Funi exclusive, so the budget will not be on the Attack on Titan level.

Again, we will have to wait and see.
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Old 2020-09-17, 22:30   Link #57
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Ugghh....studio Bridge doesn't really inspire any confidence for me. I really really hope they pull out all the stops and give their 1000% for this new SK anime. This is your chance to shine, Bridge. Don't blow it.
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Old 2020-09-17, 22:39   Link #58
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Is this going to be 50 eps+ long anime?
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Old 2020-09-19, 22:35   Link #59
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If they touch Chocolove I'm gonna be mad. I saw the censored volumes of the manga and holy crap Chocolove looks weird without his lips. That's not my chocolatito.

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So apparently they got everybody back for the new version save for Yuko Sato. Yoh is now played by Yoko Hikasa.
Looks like current Takei style, I love it.
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Old 2020-09-20, 20:12   Link #60
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I really want this adaptation to be good.

Hopefully it doesn't disappoint us like Houshin Engi reboot....
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