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Old 2021-04-24, 22:36   Link #41
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Romanticizing gangsters is a chronic problem in manga and I sincerely hope that's not the way we're headed here, because generally speaking I find this series to be pretty compelling.
Well, obviously the show is deploring the Tokyo Manji Gang of the future, although Takemichi seems to respect Sano's perspective on delinquents and how his people should operate, but he also acknowledges how out-of-fashion it will end up being in the future.
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Old 2021-04-24, 22:42   Link #42
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Well, obviously the show is deploring the Tokyo Manji Gang of the future, although Takemichi seems to respect Sano's perspective on delinquents and how his people should operate, but he also acknowledges how out-of-fashion it will end up being in the future.
What I'm hoping doesn't happen is "If only the noble Sano had stayed in charge, Tokyo Manji would have turned out good". They'd still be a gang of crooks and thugs either way, no matter how much of a veneer of phony honor you slap on top of it.
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Old 2021-04-24, 23:20   Link #43
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What I'm hoping doesn't happen is "If only the noble Sano had stayed in charge, Tokyo Manji would have turned out good". They'd still be a gang of crooks and thugs either way, no matter how much of a veneer of phony honor you slap on top of it.
To be honest I don't think Sano is all that "there" when you see how lifeless his eyes look. I mean, it probably says something that, even if he was influenced, he's still part of the Tokyo Manji Gang in the future where they're basically a Yakuza gang.
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Old 2021-04-24, 23:49   Link #44
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That's my hope.
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Old 2021-04-25, 05:10   Link #45
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It won't be much better if it's "the Tokyo Manji Gang could be good if the MC takes control". I mean, it'll still be a gang.
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Old 2021-04-25, 10:01   Link #46
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It won't be much better if it's "the Tokyo Manji Gang could be good if the MC takes control". I mean, it'll still be a gang.
I am kind of wondering how they're going to show Takemichi's influence on the group. We see in the Opening that they get those jacket uniforms and he's wearing one of them, so how far down this gang rabbit hole is he going to end up going to save Hina?

I half-imagine him jumping back to the future and finding out he's still part of the group and they still killed Hina.
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Old 2021-04-27, 22:53   Link #47
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I'm loving this, like ken said takemichi is old school but still acted pretty cool in front of his girlfriend.
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Old 2021-05-01, 14:30   Link #48
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Hina is such an upstanding and forthright girl. Although I can't help but wonder if that might have partially been what got her killed as an adult if wasn't just crossfire from the Tokyo Manji Gang ?

So poor Takemichi has to study for school again, but on the plus side his newfound maturity and experience in his middle school body is doing wonders for his relationship with Hina to where she even brings him to her room for the first time in their relationship (this go around). He even got to meet her cute mom who did the prerequisite teasing of finding her daughter with her boyfriend, which was hilarious .

Naoto and Hina's father is a police officer? So it runs in the family, and I guess explains Hina's strong sense of justice. I wonder if that ends up connecting back to the Tokyo Manji gang somehow ?

Takemichi and Hina getting to watch fireworks together was super romantic...up until Takemichi reaches for Hina's hand and instead grabs Naoto, thrusting him back to the future. I was expecting a few more episodes before Takemichi went back, but instead it happened so soon because of a complete accident. Yikes .

So Takemichi's future body is basically in a coma while his consciousness goes into his past self? I guess that makes sense. Good thing Naoto is taking care of his body while he's away .

I get Naoto lost his sister and the police can't do anything about Mikey, but he does realize that he, a police officer, is advocating for murdering a middle schooler ?

Good news, Akkun didn't get arrested because Takemichi changed the past, bad news...he ended up in the Tokyo Manji Gang, and it did not end well. Like, just compare him from middle school, to Naoto's picture, to how he was when Takemichi saw him. He looked so lifeless and entrenched in the life of a criminal, complete with Yakuza tatoos. It wasn't a pretty sight .

Although while Akkun is happy to see Takemichi, things take a dark turn when it turns Akkun is the one who pushed Takemichi into the subway to kill him. We don't even know why he did it, he didn't realize about the time travel until after Naoto saved Takemichi. Why did he do it? Did Kisaki order him to do it? Was it because of Hina's death? I just don't understand .

So this isn't just about saving Hina, Takemichi has to save Draken, Akkun, and now Mikey's soul too. It seems like Draken's death left a hole for Kisaki to fill and warped Mikey into the man he is now and turned the Tokyo Manji Gang into the monsters they are now. Seems like the main thrust now is to save Draken and stop Kisaki .

Although Kisaki was there when Akkun killed himself...did he hear about Takemichi going back to the past? How much does he know? Why was he there ?
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Old 2021-05-01, 14:43   Link #49
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So the big bad is indeed Kisaki. I'm guessing Kisaki suspects the time travel, but how? This is getting more and more interesting especially since the Draken is dead. I wonder if Kisaki planned it.
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Old 2021-05-01, 16:00   Link #50
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I'm so mad after the chapters end because I seriosly want more, the wait hurts me ;A;

Kisaki may have an idea that takemichi can travel back, I think he wanted him to admit it to akkun so he can be sure but takemichi didn't said anything so for him is still a theory maybe. But then why akkun tried to kill takemichi from the beginning?, I'm sure he only did it because kisaki order it but then why?, man I'm so curious.
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Old 2021-05-02, 00:22   Link #51
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The scene with Akkun was just weird.

Draken dying and being a part of the cause of Mikey's downward spiral is kind of what I was expecting.

But, no explanation about why Akkun tried to kill Takamichi (of course it could still be explained later), and when Takamichi is saved Akkun immediately expects time travel? Because, you know that's just the logical conclusion anyone would come to in that situation. And, then he kills himself.
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Old 2021-05-02, 05:11   Link #52
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But, no explanation about why Akkun tried to kill Takamichi (of course it could still be explained later),
The way that Akkun reveals to Takemichi tells us that he is under extreme duress and based on the gaunt look, probably also a drug addict on top of it as well. Akkun's likely pressure point is explained much later on.

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and when Takamichi is saved Akkun immediately expects time travel? Because, you know that's just the logical conclusion anyone would come to in that situation. And, then he kills himself.
Very simply, my take on it is that Akkun's guess is based on eliminating all the realistic possibilities leaving the unrealistic possibilities left that allows him to look for the most simple explanation left from the unrealistic possibilities that allow for Naoto to be prescient to know about the push to Takemichi onto the railway tracks and that very exact train.
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Old 2021-05-02, 11:45   Link #53
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I'm just wondering if the reason for pushing Takemichi in front of the train was the same in both timelines, because Akkun wasn't with the Tokyo Manji Gang before (as far as we are aware).
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Old 2021-05-02, 17:07   Link #54
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I've been digging this series but I feel like the time travel aspect got kind of silly the more they tried to explain it or ground it. Having to be tethered (and comatose) in the present seems like a bad idea when it comes to major changes to the timeline.
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Old 2021-05-02, 17:24   Link #55
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In the original timeline, we don't know if Akkun was in the gang, just that he went to jail. Even if Akkun was not in the gang, it's likely that Kisaki ordered someone else to push Takemichi.


So Kisaki is the big bad. It's most likely he ordered and kill on Hinata as well. It's likely he ordered the kill on Draken as well.


What's interesting about the previous timeline versus the current timeline is that Naoto previously wanted Takemichi to go back in time and prevent Kisaki and Mikey to meet. However, this time when Takemichi came back, Naoto actually wanted Mikey killed. What happened? If anything, why didn't Naoto want Kisaki killed? Kisaki seems to be the one behind all things evil in this series.


The other thing I'm curious about is if Takemichi went back in time, became more brave, then does that make his older self more brave? It seems like his younger self reverted back to his weak self considering how the current future is, although the time traveling Takemichi is now more confident.
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Old 2021-05-02, 18:22   Link #56
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I'm just wondering if the reason for pushing Takemichi in front of the train was the same in both timelines, because Akkun wasn't with the Tokyo Manji Gang before (as far as we are aware).
That's a damn good point.
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Old 2021-05-02, 19:10   Link #57
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In the original timeline, we don't know if Akkun was in the gang, just that he went to jail. Even if Akkun was not in the gang, it's likely that Kisaki ordered someone else to push Takemichi.

So Kisaki is the big bad. It's most likely he ordered and kill on Hinata as well. It's likely he ordered the kill on Draken as well.
I guess that still begs the question why it's so important to kill Takemichi. He didn't even know Mikey in the original timeline.

But yeah, I'm starting to think Hina was a hit job .
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What's interesting about the previous timeline versus the current timeline is that Naoto previously wanted Takemichi to go back in time and prevent Kisaki and Mikey to meet. However, this time when Takemichi came back, Naoto actually wanted Mikey killed. What happened? If anything, why didn't Naoto want Kisaki killed? Kisaki seems to be the one behind all things evil in this series.
I think he assumed Takemichi's method of preventing them from meeting would be killing Mikey. He doesn't see any distinction between Mikey and Kisaki because they're both as bad now even if it was Kisaki that made him that way.
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The other thing I'm curious about is if Takemichi went back in time, became more brave, then does that make his older self more brave? It seems like his younger self reverted back to his weak self considering how the current future is, although the time traveling Takemichi is now more confident.
Even Hina and his friends notice the personality differences and how much more mature he acts when he's future Takemichi. I wonder if that does leave an imprint on middle school Takemichi...
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Old 2021-05-02, 20:51   Link #58
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Not surprised that Drakken died in the timeline as I imagined that his absence is part of what let Kisaki get to and corrupt Mikey.
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Old 2021-05-03, 03:25   Link #59
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It's a bit of a staple of the genre, but it's creepy how excited adult Takemichi is to be in the room of a 13 years old girl.
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Old 2021-05-03, 10:30   Link #60
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It's a bit of a staple of the genre, but it's creepy how excited adult Takemichi is to be in the room of a 13 years old girl.
I mean...it's his first time in any girls' room .
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