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Islam banned Jojo
According to Jiji Tsushin, Shueisha suspended today the sale of "Jojo no Kimyou na Bouken", both in Anime DVD and Manga. It's because of the intensive criticism from the Islamic world; they complain about its scene where an antagonist orders his companies to kill the protagonists, reading Koran. It gives the viewers, according to the muslim claimers, the impression that Koran is harmful and evil. Some wingnuts even imply to bomb the publishers.
The problems are: - The criticisers knew the movie through a fansub. The anime was developed for domestic audience, therefore got no self-censorship concerning cultural or religious matters. If it had been for exportation, the publisher naturally would have cared for such things. Fansubs have created a critically risky situation for creators. Even when they tend to entertain only domestic customers, pirates immediately jump across the border. - To what extent should we regulate "blasphemy" in fictious entertainments? If the anime had depicted, for example, a deadly battle between Muhammad and FSM, we would easily had noticed the "danger" in it. However, the Koran alleged was just a flavour gadget in fact. And, if we are obliged to describe certain kind of religion only in good ways, it would surely destroy the possibility of free expression. |
2008-05-22, 03:57 | Link #3 | |
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2008-05-22, 05:57 | Link #6 | |
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Never seen this show, but really, so many different Anime have scenes which show other groups or people in unflattering ways, I've never seen big issues about it before. Heck Christianity is often shown as dealing with 'demons' or some how militaristic. All in the name of entertainment. I wonder though if this is because Islam has had bad press in the last few years or if its people genuinely offended. (tyoing in a rush, WoW Raid times...)
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2008-05-22, 08:24 | Link #7 | |
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After all, all those "terrorists" are more often than not frustrated young men who were denied opportunities of social mobility and economic welfare: the most dangerous demographic in the entire history of man by far. If they aren't blaming the Foreigners and protesting at every imagined outrage at Islam (Danish cartoons anyone?), they might just manage to take a look back at their own oppressive governments and express their pent-up energy in some revolutions to take down the existing social order that wasn't doing them any good. It's an interesting argument, which places the blame ultimately with oppressive authoritarianism rather than the traditional argument that blames everything on "Islam," which merely provides religious justification. This, of course, does not excuse stupid people who can't seem to grasp that they shouldn't be fucking around with other people's business and protesting or sending bomb threats for the stupidest of reasons. Shueisha shouldn't have listened. |
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2008-05-22, 09:53 | Link #9 |
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Thats a really interesting view point Irenicus, and its disappointing as well in its own way. Makes a lot of sense though from what I vaguely remember about the region.
And yes they shouldn't have listened. and g'nite.
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2008-05-22, 10:10 | Link #10 | |
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2008-05-22, 10:55 | Link #11 | |
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While I don't know if they should have listened. Muslims do have the right to bitch about it, ofcourse bomb treaths is going to far. Sigh producers should learn to stay the fuck away from religon just make a new one up or something. <_< |
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2008-05-22, 11:13 | Link #12 | |
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Irenicus really nails the problem on the head -- the use of distraction via religion by the powerful.
No religion has "the right" to dictate what non-believers do or say or to threaten them. This "I say you hurt my feelings and I'm going to physically harm you" threat crap (and then caving into it) is ruinous. I'm sad that the publishing company was so weak about it. All religions have a small gallery of zealots and wingnuts and they should not be catered to nor taken as "spokesmen" for an entire religion. Quote:
As Irenicus says, religion is simply the pretext for control of their own people and thuggery against others.
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2008-05-22, 11:31 | Link #13 | |
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Nah the ordering of killing in Islam isn't that big in Islam. Islam pretty much has a history of being taken over rather then doing the taking over. |
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2008-05-22, 11:35 | Link #14 | |
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.... ...I rest my case (everyone realises I mean this in sarcastic fun, no need to send deaththreats, anthrax or other objects of future bad health)
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2008-05-22, 11:41 | Link #15 | |
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I haven't watched the series, so I don't know exactly how it was used, but the Koran/Bible/whatever are merely tools used by religious leaders--if I was the one who made the series, I think I would've made it pretty clear that it's about domination and that the Koran was merely a tool.
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btw;I haven't seen or read Jojo either so wouldn't know for sure. Tried reading the manga, but it sucked so stopped. xD Let's make it clear Quote:
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2008-05-22, 12:10 | Link #18 | |
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Although it's interesting how Christians are relatively quiet over the use of the cross and their churches in anime (Hellsing, Fate/Stay Night being good examples), while the Islamic world is more vocal about these things. Cultural Geographies of Globalisation was quite a handful when I studied it.
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2008-05-22, 12:11 | Link #19 | |
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If my mom and dad would've been killers, why should I have had any reason to get upset? There are undeniable facts that arise from a study of history. And the sacredness of holy books isn't precisely one of them.
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2008-05-22, 12:20 | Link #20 | |
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Even if your parents where killers I'd think you'd be upset. I doubt you will think oh they where killers so it's there just desert. This isn't about logic. It's on emtional and moral level. Who are you to judge that the holy books aren't sacred. That you think it isn't sacred doesn't mean the rest thinks the same way. Wow all this bullshit just, because I'm asking for respect. Let me ask you do you just call names at someone for the sake of entertainment? If you do I have nothing to say. |
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