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View Poll Results: Hayate no Gotoku!! (2nd Season) - Episode 3 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 8 | 21.05% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 36.84% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 34.21% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 7.89% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-04-24, 06:41 | Link #41 |
Somehow I found out
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Didn't this kinda take itself way too seriously? I mean, it had the completely over-the-top, ridiculous story that's a standard of Hayate no Gotoku, but did they just forget to add the humour alongside it? Because I think I laughed twice, once at "Za Warudo" and I can't even remember what the other joke I found funny in this episode was. Then we had completely pointless sappy moments like Nagi's "what kind of master runs away when their subordinate can't move", which were just so mawkish that they were cringe-worthy (yes, I know one isn't supposed to take this show seriously... so why then is the show taking itself seriously?)
I've probably said this before, but whatever has happened to this show's bite? Has J.C. Staff just removed all its teeth?
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2009-04-24, 06:51 | Link #42 |
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Patience, my friend At least, from what I see, they're trying to add little by little of humour and parody inside the story. If you noticed the first 2 episode, you might find that the parody and humour were only a few compared to this. Not to mention that they're pretty implicit >.> Well, at least they're now explicitly make a Jojo's parody. . . Let's just hope they'll add more to the future. Or perhaps there would be a serious arc for the future, and they're preparing for that ? Oh well let's just hope ^^;
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2009-04-24, 09:54 | Link #43 | |
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I think J.C.Staff has raised the target age of the audience by 2-3 years and given it some substance which will last other than the endless resets of S1. |
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2009-04-24, 19:32 | Link #44 |
Somehow I found out
Join Date: Feb 2006
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But doesn't substance require you take the plot somewhat seriously? Between the ghosts, robots, fightan butlers, tsundere-ko with more money than Warren Buffett, and the other elements that are really thrown in for little more than the sake of comedy, is there really much room for "substance" without it coming off as bathetic. This isn't Toradora, hell this isn't even School Rumble, which is the incredibly compromised work that Hayate no Gotoku could potentially become if it ever forgets what it is and suffers an identity crisis (the onset of which is becoming apparent in this season). School Rumble teased its audience with moments of "substance" but didn't bother developing them right up until its mind-numbing, rage-inducing and completely gutless finale.
This type of rom-com really struggles when it takes any half-way choices. If it wants to have substance, then it should go the Toradora route and only use comedy with sparse effectiveness. If it wants to be light, pointless entertainment, then its first season is a reasonable model, ie, ten different types of comedy before it even contemplates dealing with characters and relationships. Because the middle path has been followed often before, and the result is generally failure, eg, School Rumble. Synergy got this. I'm not sure J.C. Staff has. I get the feeling J.C. Staff is compromising this anime for the sake of appeasing manga fans, and the result is a tepid, toothless brand of comedy with no bite. You can add all the substance you want, but at this stage comedy still dominates this show, and I can't see how it speaks to any more a mature audience than the first season. Hell, I'd say it's the other way around, since the first season at least had a reasonable amount of self-aware wit (which is almost a necessity in modern anime comedy). It knew it was a go-nowhere rom-com and even made jokes about the fact. In this season, it's been the characters' various gags that have been at the forefront of the comedy, and those gags have started to become tired anyway. The first season managed to offset that in the latter part with a reasonable amount of satire, parody and tongue-in-cheek humour. But it also highlights the fact that these are, essentially, gag characters, and there's very little to them past their initial two or three character traits/jokes. How do you make "substance" out of that? How do you get the audience to take that substance seriously?
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2009-04-25, 06:46 | Link #45 | ||||||
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There's one thing I'd like to know first: Do you actually know the original source, the manga? If so, up to which chapter?
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Finally, there are promising details which give me reason for hope: First, the mangaka confirmed that he had 5 possible ending points laid out for the story, so it is not endless by design. Second, he clearly listens and responds to fan feedback. Third, he confirmed that some characters (he listed Hina and Maria) are "in the strike zone", so he does at least consider a non-canonic ending. What's not to like? Quote:
A simple counter-example would be Midori no Hibi. Here we also have a _real_ crazy setting (hard to take the outer story "seriously"), but the charm of the show was the romantic triangle Midori-Seiji-Takako. It worked just fine and had a proper conclusion (though not the one I'd have hoped for). In my eyes, a perfectly successful example of "crazy frame story" with "serious character/romance development". Quote:
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Season 1 stayed mostly true to the original storyline till around episode 19, then it went "off the rail". It purposely avoided any storylines with lasting developments. Instead, we got over 30 episodes in sequence which had NOTHING to do with each other. They could have randomized the sequence (in fact, they did), and it wouldn't have changed anything. The characters remained whatever they were, all the time. And naturally, they were pretty shallow and flat. Take Ayumu for example. In S1, her character stagnated as a cute little girl continuously stuffing her face, having a crush on Hayate and a strange rivalry-friendship with Nagi. THAT WAS IT. Manga readers however will know: The "real" Ayumu is much more complex. It just started in S2/ep04, with the Valentine Day arc. Over the course of the next seasons, she will grow so much, a little bit in her relationship with Hayate, but oh so much in her relationship with Hina. We'll see many endearing sides of her which we could never see, because the randomness and "serious development" block of S1 censored it. THIS is why so many fans of the original story were livid by the end of S2. I couldn't stand the retarded fluff anymore. Random craziness is fine, but in moderation - not 36 episodes of fillers in sequence. We wanted to get the "real" characters as we knew them, not stunted caricatures of them. And _praise the lord_ J.C.Staff is now finally starting to do just that. Quote:
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2009-04-25, 09:10 | Link #46 | |||||||
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I still think that School Rumble had really good characters. When Kobayashi actually wanted to add depth to his characters, he was able to do so quite well and make them strong and sympathetic as well. The problem was that the plot and pacing were awful, and the endless resets made it clear that the number one priority was needlessly stalling and prolonging the story to sell more manga chapters. On what I've seen, I really don't think Hayate no Gotoku has characters with the same level of depth as School Rumble, which is why I'm skeptical that it can succeed where School Rumble spectacularly failed. Quote:
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If you kinda assume that anything plot-related in the first season was superfluous (and conveniently ignore the fact that it was based on a manga), then it was a self-consistent work. Now it's kinda like J.C. Staff has gone "oh, you know those characters from the first season that you laughed so hard at for fifty-two episodes and couldn't take seriously in the least... well, you're supposed to take them seriously now. Oh, and you know that enjoyable humour-style that Synergy executed so well... we're flushing that." So now what are we left with? A generic rom-com that's had its soul ripped out? The upcoming romantic and character advances had better be good if they justify the removal of a winning comedy formula. (Granted, that comedy formula was starting to get a bit tiresome towards the end, but it was still delivering laughs occasionally enough).
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What J.C.Staff is doing now is getting the show back on track, just where Synergy left it. I don't want more Hayate baisers. I want the meat. And finally I'm getting it |
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2009-04-25, 18:50 | Link #48 | |||
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As far as Hayate no Gotoku is concerned, it's incredibly rare for me to still find a comedy funny at the end of its run, so for Hayate no Gotoku to still be making me laugh after fifty-two eps was a minor miracle, IMO. Of course it was getting a little tiresome, but almost universally comedy is funnier towards the beginning than it is towards the end. I see it as some sort of benchmark for an anime comedy to still be funny right up until its final episode. Most aren't. Hayate no Gotoku was, even if it wasn't anywhere near as good as when it started. So what made it such a success as a comedy? Well, I've tried to explain, but comedy is the most subjective genre in anime, so maybe other people won't see it, particularly if plain old-fashioned jokes-by-the-dozen humour wasn't within your expectations. Hayate no Gotoku executed that style of comedy better than most other similar anime that I've seen.
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2009-04-25, 21:57 | Link #49 |
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I think one of the problems is Hayate S1 fulfilled a missing arc in anime - the Simpsons/Futurama/King of the Hill/Etc style gag episodes where each episode is it's own thing. It's the approach where nobody grows and Bart & Lisa are in the same grade for hundreds of episodes and holidays they have been in. This is more common on US TV but rarely found in Anime (well, the ones that people talk about here - it probably exist but I haven't heard much about it).
Hayate S2 fulfills a more traditional manga + plot storyline + growing timeline approach more common in Anime. In a way, it's like a really long movie that last several episodes. I like it because the source manga is fun, but in a way, it lets down the fans who enjoyed the S1 approach of independent episodes. They should have never done S1 the way they did it. However, since they did. If I had money, budget, etc...I probably would have 2 arc's - one spin off to the manga version and one which main purpose is to parody other stuff. |
2009-04-26, 03:27 | Link #50 |
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Location: Brazil
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I think the more important part here is not that you would need to read the manga to understand the Anime. It can stand in its own two feet. But it's following the manga very well atm and If we trust JC Staff to continue to make a loyal adaptation then to know the manga is as if you knew spoilers to the anime. And the manga took itself serious so if you had read it you would now if the current setup they're building (the same that happened in the manga) would work for you. As it's not the case then you can only wait and see. Just know that it did work to many people as it's a manga that have a nice amount of popularity so the chance of it working for you aren't remote. My advice try to watch some more eps before you think of dropping it. Well let's hope you have a good ride. I'm having.
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2009-05-25, 20:56 | Link #52 |
Hina is my goddess
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That was absolutely an amazing episode.
First, imagine how fast Hayate would have finished with Isumi and Hina in his party from the beginning. And Hina was wicked and hot with the new blade. Revenge hina <3 Second love the chibi Isumi. So cute. Felt sad when i heard about her wanting Hayate as a hero, but i still cheer Hina above all. Hand Soap lol. Third, love the parodies. First was Majin Buu, then Archer. |
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