2007-10-18, 13:48 | Link #81 | |
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I put restrain on myself to not argue about Priscilla vs Teresa anymore so I will only write that on that matter I agree with khryoleoz.
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Partial awakening is just great training method to polish skills and perfect youki managing, IMO. So if Clare awakened in Rabona she would propably be almost or as powerful when she fought Riguald but she would spend more of her time on seeking guts than training and she would be on MiB and Riful's wanted list so her survival and further growth would be difficult . It's hard to imagine of course that someone as weak as her could become as powerful then but I don't see why would that be unlikely. Riful's comment and behaviour might be just a smart move to let them go loose and allow them to train themselves better. She saw that they were quite flexible warriors since they quickly adapted to tough situation, Clare managed to improve her quicksword which startled Riful, Jean managed to return from awakened state and Galatea... Galatea was superb as always . I don't think that when they would be in awakened state with Riful, she would spend time to train and protect them. In claymore state they could hide their youki well, MiB theoretically should protect them or at least not bother them and improving their stats should be easier. On the other hand in awakened state MiB might hunt them down and their only training might be killing humans and one time they would face Isley's force - the end. So what Riful meant was that by forcing them to awaken would led only to having pawns instead of queens they could become (chess analogy). At first pawns are the weakest but after proper moves when they reach the eighth/first rank (which is called promotion) not sacrificing them might decide the win of the game. |
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If they awaken then cannot get stronger anymore, so it would be a waste to force 2 interesting science projects to awaken when they could potentially grow stronger. I also doubt Riful would enjoy having any potential rivals in power, as it would threaten her own standing as " The Queen."
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2007-10-18, 14:31 | Link #83 |
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Why is it that the word of a professional liar whose job is to avoid creating or kill Awakened Beings has more credit than the one of an Abyssal one who is older, doesn't lie and has tremendous experience in creating and interacting with a multitude of Awakened Beings?
As for potential, I think it can change. Something like: Heat a metal bar and stretch it, it has a limit beyond which it breaks, but stop stretching a bit before it breaks, hammer it, cool it and then do it again, and you can go further than the original breakpoint. |
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2007-10-18, 14:50 | Link #87 |
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I would think the maximun potential is being fully awakened and you cant go beyond that. The more closer you get to becomming awakened, the more you tap into those fully awakened powers maybe. I just think theres a limit to it rather then going on forever.
Just like how you can keep stretching the metal bar there IS a limit to how much it can be stretch. Well you can increase its potential if you add more metal I guess but that cant be done with humans/yomas unless youre a mad scientist or maybe the organization through experiements. I just dont believe you can have unlimited power ups just simply by awakening everytime. THAT WOULD BE TOO FAKE FOR A FICTIONAL STORY! Last edited by Sassarai; 2007-10-18 at 15:05. |
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Whether this goes on indefinatly remains to be seen. The Organization is also far more reliable then we probably give them credit for, only Teresa and Priscilla are real trouble spots when concerning their stats. All the other ones in question are the partially-awakened.
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2007-10-18, 15:11 | Link #89 | |
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I look at partial awakening as reheating and stretching the metal further while adding metal would be something the organization does with its weird experiements -_-. |
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2007-10-18, 15:41 | Link #91 | |
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"Quench" is like training and potential isn't changing it's "potential" because it's still steel - it just reached maximum of it's toughness after receiving special treatment. You can't quench steel more than once (I think, I'm not physicist). If sth doesn't have "potential" than quenching won't work. When someone is improving his skills then it means he hasn't reached his peak yet, not that he awakened his hidden unnatural potential or he somehow "gained potential". |
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2007-10-18, 15:42 | Link #92 |
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Holy... this thread's not even a week old...
As for Alicia and Beth being stronger than Teresa base stat-wise...I believe that being groomed from day 1 to become the strongest evah might play a part in that. The two were brought to the Org to continue that one particular experiment and as we all know, it works like a charm. Now, for Alicia to completely Awaken like she does, she would have had to go through partial Awakenings beforehand would she not? Jumping straight into controlling a fully Awakened one is pure suicide. If what we've seen of our Ghost 7, particularly our Fab 4, is true, then the Partial Awakenings would have pushed Alicia's power cap through the roof. If one's power increased at say...10% of their base power to begin with, half a dozen Awakenings would really push the power pretty high. Teresa didn't even like using her Youki and she was that strong, for someone who was nearly as strong to go through partial Awakenings as a part of training.... .... There's no real sense in arguing if the stats are 'right' or 'wrong' - they're pretty much official and coincidently, the best source we got for comparisions between the Claymores. As for the timeframes that they apply for, we don't really know that. Also, any and all special techniques/abilities are reflected by the stats pretty accurately. If one thinks that someone's technique or ability is stronger than what the stats suggest, it's probably one's own interpetation of what that ability/technique is and how strong it is on an overall scale. Don't use one instance or fight to accurately judge just how powerful something is like say Galatea's youki trick against Duff/Daph/whatever. Like the Awakened in Pieta, he showed just HOW strong that trick could be if Galatea was more powerful so in reality, Galatea's technique is really just a trick while the Awakened one's version could be and should be called an actual technique. ...as for Miria, you know she'd try to get us to work together Fenris. I can see her lecturing about putting all that energy into learning how to fight off youma...and like the poor saps (ie devoted followers) we are, we'd jump at the chance to train up to that. Trained by her, of course. Helen: Ah, I found some leashes that might work! Here ya go Miria! ^_^ Miria: ...Helen...!! >< Me: ... as much as I want to say something in defense of myself, I can not.
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2007-10-18, 17:08 | Link #95 |
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Well, it can be similar but they can't be the same since Beth has to stay put in order for Alicia to do her thing. Alicia's officially the #1 which means that by all rights her base stats SHOULD be higher than Beth's. Even by wee bit in one area. ^^
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2007-10-18, 17:10 | Link #97 | |
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Nah Teresa herself said that prissy could of wounded her during that sneak attack. I believe she could of wounded teresa(insert assumption) but not to the point of it being deadly(end assumption) and then she would just continue owning those 4 since she knows what prissy is capable of. Like they keep saying in that one anime "The same attack wont work twice on Athena's saint!" |
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Bah my Internet died while replying, so now I have to retype everything >.<
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Normal Warriors have potential, they can achieve this potential with time, training, and experience. However this potential has a limit (as all things do) When a Warrior Awakenes all this potential is immediately realized, and quite possibly exceeded. Awakend warriors can gain experience, but cannot improve their base physical power, or Yoki. Now a Partially-awakened warrior has gained power that is not achievable through time, training, and experience. It is equivalent to a human gaining super-human abilities, and if they awaken later in their lifetime, this power stacks on top of their "normal" potential. This potential is only limited by the number of times the warrior has surpassed her limit. Thus I believe that Partially-awakened "cheat" per-say, as they gain power that non-partially awakened have no access to. I also believe this will eventually lead to how Clare can defeat Priscilla, who is currently the strongest being in the Claymore-verse. ----------------------- Quote:
Shame you theory did not go through though, because Teresa would not have been caught off guard by Priscilla's final attack.
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2007-10-18, 18:34 | Link #99 | |
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Yea almost everything here is based on assumptions. It can go either way really on almost all of the arguments. It wasnt quite the same attack. You cant compare her almost awakening to the same speed as the earlier attack. |
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