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Haha, see Kaname's full power is what I'm curious to see too. He's been in the shadows too much in the first half of the manga. Now that Yuuki departs from Zero, hopefully the story will shift to Kaname and tell us more about him. Quote:
Zero's situation would have been the same whether Kaname was there or not. Zero's imprisonment was done by the Hunter because they no longer have any use for a Hunter-turned-vampire with a potential of falling to Level E. What Kaname did is give Zero the powers he has now. True, Kaname wanted Zero to kill Rido but that was for Yuuki. It isn't exactly wrong for him to use Zero to protect Yuuki. Any man in love would do such a thing if need be. Had Kaname been able to kill Rido himself, he would have done so and not use Zero but he couldn't, so this was his last resort. Kaname knows that Zero is powerful enough to have a good chance of victory. Quote:
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2008-12-22, 16:23 | Link #802 |
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Although at this point i am very sure i am not going to get the ending that i want i am happy to see some progression. It seems all the main characters have made their decision's of where to go from here. Unless some crazy shit happens Yuuki has made her choice and that choice is to remain with Kaname. Everyone has suffered through out this whole ideal and the final farewell between Yuuki and Zero was sad and very tragic but it was a goodbye.
Zero stating that next time he and Yuuki meet he will kill her shows he is embracing his Vampire Hunter heritage and Yuuki saying that she will continue to run away so Zero has a reason to live to me the whole situation is just sad. Nothing will be the same for anyone and the whole human's living together with vampire's idea to me was just shot straight to hell. Although the story has been interesting and full of great plot twist i cant help but to feel that we are back at square one again. Its like nothing from the grand scheme of things has changed. I dont know where we are going from here on out but its been one hell of a ride and this part of the story has closed with another on it way There are no winners or losers in VK everyone has lost something but at least Yuuki and Kaname have each other and Zero has well......"The bloody Rose and his freedom i guess" I still dont see good things in the future for Kaname i think just as Zero has a cursed fate so does Kaname. I pray that Yuuki and Zero do not meet again for the outcome could be truly tragic. I will be the first to admit that Kaname is no one of my favorite characters although i truly recognized why he has done a number of things. The thing that keeps me from liking Kaname is my own way of doing things i just dont agree with how he does somethings although i understand them. There are going to be ripples from what Kaname has done and granted it has all been for Yuuki you cant blame a man for doing everything in his power to save the one he loves but he must understand there are consequences to everything that you do especially when multiple lives are changed forever. The same with Zero his fate is that of a fallen hero. Though i do not hate Kaname i could never bring myself to like him for the methods he used even though there was probably no other way to do what he did. I feel that everything Juuri and the director worked for has crumbled and i blame Rido and Kaname for that it couldnt be helped but as some tried to take a step forward it seems they have gone 10 steps back. As much as i have alway sympathized with Yuuki i have disliked so many of the decisions she has made for they only seemed to make things worse. I was happy to see her make a clear decision to go with Kaname even for some reason the words she said made it seem weird that the triangle has been resolved. There was something about the whole scene that left me with a weird feeling that i cant explain. One thing though i have always maintained the fact that the world is not big enough to house Zero and Kaname that does not mean that either one will kill the other but i still think by the true end of the story one of them will not be left alive.
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Zero's not going to go crazy anytime soon. Yuuki is safe wich is what they both wanted. And Rido the real mastermind behind Zero 's parents was slain. It was the council and the Hunter's association that instigated all of these advents Kaname is just striking back. And Zero should join him because they were the ones that really screwed with him. (I personally think that Kaname can lead the vampires while Zero can give the hunters new management while Yuuki can keep the peace between the too but thats just me) Quote:
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Kaname didn't isolate Zero. Yuuki is a Pureblood and Zero can't handle that. I can undserstand were he is coming from but that's what he decided. Yuuki still wants to be his aly. Kaname will do what he has too to keep Yuuki happy even if he has to put up with Zero.( He's been doing it ever since this story began and before that even.) Zero is choosing his own path to get revenge. More power to him. But that path is lonely. Thats what he decided. Everybody has so much sympathy for Zero who lost his parents but what about Kaname's parents Hm? The vampire council wants to control and manipulate him even when he was a child, and his sister/fianc. doesn't remeber him Kaname doesn't talk about it much though. We don't see him cutting himself. Insted Kaname is very stoic and aloof. He doesn't let people in , not even the friends he has gained at school. He has gained the love of Yuuki. But now he's going to have to battle to lead the Vampire society. Kaname's has suffered as well. He's not some happy go lucky guy who doesn't have problems. They just don't emphasize Kaname's issues.
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2008-12-22, 20:46 | Link #805 | |
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Also while the vampire council wants to control and manipulate Kaname he has the influence and power to oppose them and live as he choices fit. He also was able to still be with his sister/fiancee and have a good relationship with her. Zero had no choice in what he did. He was a powerless kid and had to be taken in my the chairman. Not only that he is then surrounded by the things he hates the most, vampires, which he has no say in once again. His brother left him and sided with his enemy and he can't have any kind of relationship with him. The Hunter association uses Zero too but he has no ability to oppose them. If he opposed them they would deem him dangerous and immediate going after his head and he would have no where else to run because he has no place to go and no other purpose other than that in his life at the time. Kaname though the Vampire council are shown to be afraid to openly oppose and which is why they needed Rido to do it for them. I can't consider Kaname anywhere close to as tragic a character as Zero. He does go though his own hardships but he also had the power to do something unlike Zero. He also always planned to have himself a happy future with Yuki while Zero's future has always been dark because of becoming a level E and also his powerlessness. Zero never had any hope for a happy future while Kaname still had a lot of hope and that's why I can never consider Kaname a tragic character though I do empathize with him somewhat. This is getting way off-topic again though I wouldn't mind continuing it in a different thread.
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2008-12-22, 21:15 | Link #806 |
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Zero could of changed his fate if he wanted to but he chose not to drink shizuka's blood that was his choice. Even kaname questioned it. If kaname could of created a happy future so easily. Then his parents would of done it a long time ago (would be alive right now) and would have not felt the need to hide yuki. Do keep in mind that kaname does not have all his powers and even though he is more powerful than the nobles he can still be hunted. Just because he was born a vampire and not a human doesn't make his situation any less dire or stressful. Cross said so himself about kaname 10 years ago~ he has had to silently endure all alone the pains within himself without telling anyone so as to not endanger anyone~such a bad burden to bare..
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2008-12-22, 22:14 | Link #807 | |
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To figure out how a character is going to react in the future we have to understand the character. And to do that, we need to understand were there coming from. And Kaname's past has so far be largely ignored. But well back to the topic Kaname, through planning and his pureblood nature has had the power to face his problems.( Maybe thats why he is so together onlike Zero) That's why I so like this latest chapter because it seems that Zero now has the power to face his issues. It's a big step forward. Somebody give Zero a cookie While he's not "there' yet I feel that he can finally start "recovering". And now even though I know I shouldn't say this, because it the exact thing that will get you fighting Slick_rick, One of the reasons why he can now move forward is because his condition as a vampire is now more stable. He's not going Level E right now. And he has gotten strong enough to be a threat even to purebloods. Oh and let's not forget the fact that Yuuki and him have "splite" and her mental state is good now that her memories have been sorted out. Who's resposible for this? It's ironic.
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2008-12-22, 22:24 | Link #808 | |
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Im surprised with all the talk of losses and gains no one really discussed what Yuki actually lost and what she gained.
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2008-12-22, 22:32 | Link #809 | |
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For Zero his future has always been grim and like it or not Zero doesn't want to be a vampire. No, matter how sexy people find drinking of blood, Zero has every right to hate it and not like what he has become. Some say he should just accept his life as a vampire but that is much easier said than done. His experiences with vampires has only shaped an even more utter hatred and disgust of them before and since he came to the school. Becoming the thing you hate most in the world is very tragic no matter if you find his hatred uncalled for, which I don't. Ah, yea back on topic...
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2008-12-23, 04:35 | Link #810 |
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Good chapter overall, a few pointers:
-Kaname it's still the same manipulative man with his over protective and somewhat sick "love for Yuuki". -Yuuki, the same old girl chasing after Kaname and now even more(but I really do like her too bad that she has Kaname and Zero around her). -Zero was the one who was able to develop more now since he was able to accept that Yuuki is not gonna be able to be with him anymore, although he is still on about his obssesive revenge(geez...you were barely able to escape from turning into a level E and now he wants to kill all the purebloods?...) If a new girl does takes the center stage now that Yuuki has gone into "hiding" then I think that Zero it's still gonna be the main focus on the story since after that dramatic good bye and then the fading away I don't think that we are going to see Kaname and Yuuki for a while. |
2008-12-25, 13:23 | Link #811 |
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Following this whole "tragic hero" theme, we were just reading Othello in English class (LOL) and talked about the requirements for a tragic hero, and I feel that if I had to choose, then it would be Zero. Why? Well in order to become a tragic hero, he lost his parents, got turned into a vampire, etc. But also he lost the human Yuuki that he cared about. Kaname loved human and vampire Yuuki, so he still has her, but I feel that Zero lost the Yuuki that he loved, so he becomes a more 'tragic' character.
Anyway does anyone know when the manga will end? I feel like it will drag on from this, but I'm hoping it'll end soon before it just gets pointless and wierd. But I was just wondering what people think will come next, etc, I guess? Thanks. |
2008-12-25, 17:51 | Link #812 | |
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Also, Hino-sensei recently announced that the manga has just finished one part and that there is one more part remaining. It is assumed that we are at the halfway mark, but the next arc may be shorter/longer than the first. Even though it may seem like the story could draw a decent conclusion as it is right now, I think much of the plot still has to be expanded and elaborated on. Also, I think the manga won't drag on, especially since a new female character is going to be introduced into the mix. =D And who knows, maybe even more new characters. I'm sure the story will begin to pick up again soon, so try to still look forward to it! XD |
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2008-12-27, 00:30 | Link #813 | |
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I SAID IT. Well, it is going to be a female |
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2009-01-02, 01:44 | Link #815 |
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ah, all this tension going on....it truly foreshadows an upcoming epic fail for kaname. which is just wonderful, the parting of the two just makes it more obvious in the end yuuki and zero will end up together.
ah the joy and satisfaction l will get from seeing kaname's world crumble before him, and hear his fans cry bloody murder as their favorite inferior kaname gets shafted in the end. |
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2009-01-06, 01:52 | Link #817 |
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For me it looks like Kaname has a good chance now. Yuki flat out told Zero that she loves Kaname. Zero just broke away from Yuki. He needs to do his own thing away from her. Although, I do think it is likely that Kaname will fall now . Yuuki will probubly be in the middle of it, with Zero to pick up the peices after events. That is of course if he can gain some commen sense and stop threatening one of the few people who actually care about him.
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2009-01-06, 07:04 | Link #818 |
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T___T for ZeKi, waah just when I was cheering myself that I had never been wrong in choosing definite pairings (just like Sousuke x Kaname) maybe this is the first time. Since this is just the half point, a lot of things could still occur and develop. But Yuuki gave Zero so much heartbreak I don't think of rooting for her as much as before. I can accept a new love interest for Zero since it might be healthier for him to leave Yuuki to Kaname.
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2009-01-06, 19:16 | Link #819 |
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These types of Drama/Shoujo Manga usually has the girl go out with 2 or 3 guys before choosing a final guy. And in everyone of these cases, the girl usually *loves* each of them before settling down on the last guy.
To say that kaname+yuki is the final pairing, or that she will end up with Zero, are both just wishful thinking especially if this is only halfway through the Manga. I mean, who knows, she could as well just leave Kaname, hook up with Zero, and still somehow end up with Kaname in the end. The safest assumption is that anything can still happen |
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then she live as a human girl with zero for many years " more than kaname " when she's with zero she think of kaname . when she's with kaname she think of zero . and now she's back with kaname , no one knows what yuuki is going to do !! will she really love kaname ? or hurt him more ? I think she won't forget zero . I really want to see ... is she going to be cold ? cuz she is like zero " thirsty for blood I mean " only want kaname for blood , but don't know if she love him deeply .. or only admire him . I think both zero and yuuki alike in the same way , thirsty only for blood but they are confused to not know their own feelings . who knows , maybe no one will have the happy ending .. we need to read more and more to get near the answer |
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