(L) Ryuuou no Oshigoto! [LN]

[Kiyoe]

lllustrations 7
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[Kiyoe]

Cosplay Mashu

[Cinnamon]

I'm fascinated by shogi and manga and light novels that depicts it. The permutations and strategies that can happen due to the drop in-system makes it a lot more "dramatic" than regular chess. The fact that shogi-matches rarely results in a draw makes it a better fit I think.

[Kuroageha]

lol poor Ginko has been reduced to the joke character when she isn't playing shogi for a while and it seems it hasn't changed so far .

[Cinnamon]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

lol poor Ginko has been reduced to the joke character when she isn't playing shogi for a while and it seems it hasn't changed so far .

Was she the engaged one you mentioned last page or was it Ai?

[Kuroageha]

Ai = little girl main heroine, Rorioh no apprentice
Ginko = silver hair and Rorioh's childhood friend and fellow apprentice of the same master

[sasabit]

How skilled is the MC compared to all the other Shogi masters? From the synopsis it sounded like he was the strongest shogi player in the world but that doesnt seem to be the case. Whos better than him?

[thefreakmike]

Could we get some spoilers on what the story has been up to? If not it would be cool to see the illustrations from the other volumes, the anime, for being promoted as "loli bait", has some charm to it and isnt putting the shogi aspect in the backburner, which is a plus

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

lol poor Ginko has been reduced to the joke character when she isn't playing shogi for a while and it seems it hasn't changed so far .

I don't think she's a joke character. I say she got the 2nd biggest progression after Yaichi. If anything, she has the most room to grow so far still.

Originally Posted by sasabit

How skilled is the MC compared to all the other Shogi masters? From the synopsis it sounded like he was the strongest shogi player in the world but that doesnt seem to be the case. Whos better than him?

The third strongest character (Souta) in the novel thinks Yaichi revolutionizes playing Shogi. If I have to rank them, Yaichi is probably 2 or 3rd strongest in the novel.

Originally Posted by thefreakmike

Could we get some spoilers on what the story has been up to? If not it would be cool to see the illustrations from the other volumes, the anime, for being promoted as "loli bait", has some charm to it and isnt putting the shogi aspect in the backburner, which is a plus

I was told volumes 1-5 are summarized elsewhere.

Spoiler for Volume 6:

Volume 6 introduces a Souta and focuses on Ginko. Ginko barely won against Souta in the main story match because he fucked up and exposed himself when Ginko has all but given up. Of course the lolis, especially Ai#2, are slowly ranking up as well. Yaichi continues his winning streak since beating Meijin and is crazy strong after overcoming that giant hurdle.

Ginko considers herself an earthling, while the top tier shogi players are "shogians" that are from another planet. She just wants to be close to Yaichi and doesn't care if she crashes and burns while trying to reach him. Souta destroyed her pride with such raw display of talent. Souta plays computer Shogi a lot so his thinking/strategy is almost machine like.

Spoiler for Volume 7:

Volume 7 is an extremely poignant volume because the theme is family. A lot of the old geezers are retiring because they find themselves no match for the new generation. Meanwhile, Yaichi loses an old veteran that is theoretically weaker than him for that person's retirement match, but still manages to ranking up overall due to previous performance. He went straight to Ginko to cry afterward, which soothes Ginko because he does not seem as out of reach now. Yaichi's master Kiyotaki ended up dropping in rank despite an extremely well game played against Yaichi's cape-wearing rival (Ayumu) from volume 1 (situation is complete opposite of Yaichi), but he decided not to retire yet because of his family. Conclusion to this match was definitely the most touching scene so far in the series. I cried reading this part, as well as did everyone present including Keika, Ai, Ginko, and Yaichi. Everyone understood how significant the down-ranking was, and how much effort Kiyotaki exhausted just to maintain his rank, which he ultimately failed.

The parts where the Kiyotaki contemplates on his success so far, his daughter being born, his daughter help raising his disciple, how he has risen to the top but never reached Meijin status, the succeeding crash in rank and at risk of being outmatched by the newer generation, and his final transformation in giving up all his pride to ask people with much lower seniority than him for help are all very introspective heavy. A significant part (I want to say 30%) is written from the Kiyotaki's perspective.

Spoiler for Volume 5:

This parallels volume 5 where Keika prevails against Ayumu's master (Shiyakando), which I consider the second most touching scene in the entire novel because how emotional Keika got. Author really captured the essence of all the seemingly reward less effort finally giving Keika the single win that awarded her with the recognition that she never got over that many years. There are many characters featured that spent their live trying to pursue their career in this field and had to give up in the end. The tenacity to hold on and finally being rewarded is so overwhelming that there is seriously no word. Without Keika's win, I am sure Yaichi would not be able to beat Meijin.

In the end, Kiyotaki says boyishly that he still has not given up his dream/goal of becoming Meijin someday.

And we find out from the afterward that author's mother died while he was writing volume 5. Rest in peace.

[sasabit]

Wow thanks for the spoilers! Im curious, how big of a role does red Ai have? I heard that she is kinda unimportant which sucks because she's the character Im most interested in.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Originally Posted by Kunagisa

I don't think she's a joke character. I say she got the 2nd biggest progression after Yaichi. If anything, she has the most room to grow so far still.



The third strongest character (Souta) in the novel thinks Yaichi revolutionizes playing Shogi. If I have to rank them, Yaichi is probably 2 or 3rd strongest in the novel.



I was told volumes 1-5 are summarized elsewhere.

Spoiler for Volume 6:

Volume 6 introduces a Souta and focuses on Ginko. Ginko barely won against Souta in the main story match because he fucked up and exposed himself when Ginko has all but given up. Of course the lolis, especially Ai#2, are slowly ranking up as well. Yaichi continues his winning streak since beating Meijin and is crazy strong after overcoming that giant hurdle.

Ginko considers herself an earthling, while the top tier shogi players are "shogians" that are from another planet. She just wants to be close to Yaichi and doesn't care if she crashes and burns while trying to reach him. Souta destroyed her pride with such raw display of talent. Souta plays computer Shogi a lot so his thinking/strategy is almost machine like.

Spoiler for Volume 7:

Volume 7 is an extremely poignant volume because the theme is family. A lot of the old geezers are retiring because they find themselves no match for the new generation. Meanwhile, Yaichi loses an old veteran that is theoretically weaker than him for that person's retirement match, but still manages to ranking up overall due to previous performance. He went straight to Ginko to cry afterward, which soothes Ginko because he does not seem as out of reach now. Yaichi's master Kiyotaki ended up dropping in rank despite an extremely well game played against Yaichi's cape-wearing rival (Ayumu) from volume 1 (situation is complete opposite of Yaichi), but he decided not to retire yet because of his family. Conclusion to this match was definitely the most touching scene so far in the series. I cried reading this part, as well as did everyone present including Keika, Ai, Ginko, and Yaichi. Everyone understood how significant the down-ranking was, and how much effort Kiyotaki exhausted just to maintain his rank, which he ultimately failed.

The parts where the Kiyotaki contemplates on his success so far, his daughter being born, his daughter help raising his disciple, how he has risen to the top but never reached Meijin status, the succeeding crash in rank and at risk of being outmatched by the newer generation, and his final transformation in giving up all his pride to ask people with much lower seniority than him for help are all very introspective heavy. A significant part (I want to say 30%) is written from the Kiyotaki's perspective.

Spoiler for Volume 5:

This parallels volume 5 where Keika prevails against Ayumu's master (Shiyakando), which I consider the second most touching scene in the entire novel because how emotional Keika got. Author really captured the essence of all the seemingly reward less effort finally giving Keika the single win that awarded her with the recognition that she never got over that many years. There are many characters featured that spent their live trying to pursue their career in this field and had to give up in the end. The tenacity to hold on and finally being rewarded is so overwhelming that there is seriously no word. Without Keika's win, I am sure Yaichi would not be able to beat Meijin.

In the end, Kiyotaki says boyishly that he still has not given up his dream/goal of becoming Meijin someday.

And we find out from the afterward that author's mother died while he was writing volume 5. Rest in peace.

Thanks for the spoilers! I don't know why people keep shitting on Ginko, I may just have read volume 1 and I'm watching the anime but I can clearly see a large potential for character growth to her, also, I really hope that Yaichi will not date/marry Ai at the end, if it's any girl of the series close to his age I'm okay, but with a nine year old girl? nope, gives me a bitter taste.

[larethian]

Originally Posted by Cinnamon

I'm fascinated by shogi and manga and light novels that depicts it. The permutations and strategies that can happen due to the drop in-system makes it a lot more "dramatic" than regular chess. The fact that shogi-matches rarely results in a draw makes it a better fit I think.

Go should still have more permutations because of more legal moves. Reading can get insanely deep when a player draws out a fight that spreads across the entire board leading to an all or nothing game. On top of reading ahead for both games, Go employs more pattern recognition and thin slicing, alternating between macro and micro views and focus more on army deployment (with no concern to the type of troops) as opposed to coordinating different capabilities of different kinds of troops in shogi. I guess it is also for this reason I find Shogi to be particularly hard in a different way. Unique piece have unique moves and there are a lot more vectors than chess from that alone. On top of that, promotion system and prisoner-usage further increase the number of vectors. Not to mention the colors are the same for both sides and the facing is what differentiates the armies (so that prisoners can be re-used).

While I can't explain it well, the permutations resulting from Shogi and those resulting from Go cannot be compared in an apple-to-apple fashion. I suppose they activate different parts of the brain.

It could also be I'm n00b to Shogi and just used to playing Go a lot more.

Originally Posted by Sakamaki Izayoi

Thanks for the spoilers! I don't know why people keep shitting on Ginko, I may just have read volume 1 and I'm watching the anime but I can clearly see a large potential for character growth to her, also, I really hope that Yaichi will not date/marry Ai at the end, if it's any girl of the series close to his age I'm okay, but with a nine year old girl? nope, gives me a bitter taste.

You are looking at the 9-year old rather than the age-gap which will be acceptable in another 10 years. I'm not shipping anyone though.

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by Sakamaki Izayoi

Thanks for the spoilers! I don't know why people keep shitting on Ginko, I may just have read volume 1 and I'm watching the anime but I can clearly see a large potential for character growth to her, also, I really hope that Yaichi will not date/marry Ai at the end, if it's any girl of the series close to his age I'm okay, but with a nine year old girl? nope, gives me a bitter taste.

lol nope
That's called looking forward the future.

[Cinnamon]

Originally Posted by larethian

Go should still have more permutations because of more legal moves. Reading can get insanely deep when a player draws out a fight that spreads across the entire board leading to an all or nothing game. On top of reading ahead for both games, Go employs more pattern recognition and thin slicing, alternating between macro and micro views and focus more on army deployment (with no concern to the type of troops) as opposed to coordinating different capabilities of different kinds of troops in shogi. I guess it is also for this reason I find Shogi to be particularly hard in a different way. Unique piece have unique moves and there are a lot more vectors than chess from that alone. On top of that, promotion system and prisoner-usage further increase the number of vectors. Not to mention the colors are the same for both sides and the facing is what differentiates the armies (so that prisoners can be re-used).

While I can't explain it well, the permutations resulting from Shogi and those resulting from Go cannot be compared in an apple-to-apple fashion. I suppose they activate different parts of the brain.

Go is indeed very complex, but luckily, the rules are simple so it's easy to learn, hard to master. What I find fascinating with shogi is the capture system can be used to allow attacks from a defensive position on the board. Trading of pieces is beneficial to both parties as they can be dropped in enemy base whenever and due to pieces always being on the board, it's always never a draw.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

lol nope
That's called looking forward the future.

Just my personal view, I like Ai but I would enjoy it more if her relationship with Yaichi remained that of master/disciple or even a onii chan/imouto one, I also seriously don't get this obssession over lolis too.

[Kuroageha]

For tastes, colors.

[Iroha Isshiki]

Originally Posted by Kunagisa

Spoiler for Volume 7:

Volume 7 is an extremely poignant volume because the theme is family. A lot of the old geezers are retiring because they find themselves no match for the new generation. Meanwhile, Yaichi loses an old veteran that is theoretically weaker than him for that person's retirement match, but still manages to ranking up overall due to previous performance. He went straight to Ginko to cry afterward, which soothes Ginko because he does not seem as out of reach now. Yaichi's master Kiyotaki ended up dropping in rank despite an extremely well game played against Yaichi's cape-wearing rival (Ayumu) from volume 1 (situation is complete opposite of Yaichi), but he decided not to retire yet because of his family. Conclusion to this match was definitely the most touching scene so far in the series. I cried reading this part, as well as did everyone present including Keika, Ai, Ginko, and Yaichi. Everyone understood how significant the down-ranking was, and how much effort Kiyotaki exhausted just to maintain his rank, which he ultimately failed.

The parts where the Kiyotaki contemplates on his success so far, his daughter being born, his daughter help raising his disciple, how he has risen to the top but never reached Meijin status, the succeeding crash in rank and at risk of being outmatched by the newer generation, and his final transformation in giving up all his pride to ask people with much lower seniority than him for help are all very introspective heavy. A significant part (I want to say 30%) is written from the Kiyotaki's perspective.

Spoiler for Volume 5:

This parallels volume 5 where Keika prevails against Ayumu's master (Shiyakando), which I consider the second most touching scene in the entire novel because how emotional Keika got. Author really captured the essence of all the seemingly reward less effort finally giving Keika the single win that awarded her with the recognition that she never got over that many years. There are many characters featured that spent their live trying to pursue their career in this field and had to give up in the end. The tenacity to hold on and finally being rewarded is so overwhelming that there is seriously no word. Without Keika's win, I am sure Yaichi would not be able to beat Meijin.

In the end, Kiyotaki says boyishly that he still has not given up his dream/goal of becoming Meijin someday.

And we find out from the afterward that author's mother died while he was writing volume 5. Rest in peace.

I agree with what you said about Keika. Many readers completely underestimating her, but for me, she is one of the best characters so far in this series. She is my waifu and I really want her for Yaichi, especially when she admit that she loves Yaichi and wants him to take responsibility and marry her if she didnt get Ryou's title. Also when she gets her win against Ayumu's master, without it Yaichi will never win the match against meijin. But I'm so sad she was overshadowed by Ai and Ginko.

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Cinnamon

Go is indeed very complex, but luckily, the rules are simple so it's easy to learn, hard to master. What I find fascinating with shogi is the capture system can be used to allow attacks from a defensive position on the board. Trading of pieces is beneficial to both parties as they can be dropped in enemy base whenever and due to pieces always being on the board, it's always never a draw.

purely by system, I'd say I like Go more than Shogi, Go match can go very deep since the board is essentially free for all, which required very extreme planning for the end game, in fact, in Go, situation when 1 weaker side suddenly turn around is actually very common. In Shogi, advantageous side is more recognizable, and shogi have a lot of rule, which like Lare mentioned, the hostage rule. considering each piece have their own moveset as well, learning curve for shogi is actually pretty bad.

[thefreakmike]

@Kunagisa Thanks for the spoilers, really appreciate it, recently read a summary for vol 3 somewhere else and I gotta say the novel sure rocks at giving depths to the characters, Keika´s story sure was something else, and with Master´s story getting shown, I sure cant wait to see how and what other characters get the spotlight

[sasabit]

So is Yashajin Ai just gonna be a minor character in the future? Does she have any chance against Ai and Ginko?