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macdawson · 2013-09-22, 04:31

Episode 26 PV

And episode 25 is up on nosub.tv

Ithekro · 2013-09-22, 05:22

Having finished seeing the episode I can say more on the ending.

Spoiler for 'last' battle:

calubin_175 · 2013-09-22, 06:48

Spoiler for The future:

Shinji103 · 2013-09-22, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by macdawson

Episode 26 PV

And episode 25 is up on nosub.tv

Would have preferred to see some more development

Spoiler:

macdawson · 2013-09-22, 09:46

Taking into account

Spoiler for Makoto:

i don't think you'd want to see that... 2199 would become a whole different type of show! XDDD

Shinji103 · 2013-09-22, 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by macdawson

Taking into account

Spoiler for Makoto:

i don't think you'd want to see that... 2199 would become a whole different type of show! XDDD

Well, you know what I mean.

And yeah, Dessler is so still alive, there's no doubt. Not only has he survived worse, seemingly more obvious "deaths" than that, but you can indeed see

Spoiler:

What we'll probably get in a hopeful sequel is that he's picked up by the White Comet Empire like in Farewell Yamato/Yamato 2.
And it's nice to see that, having watched episodes 23 and 24 for myself, Dessler, while being shown to be a war-nut, isn't made to be a complete douchebag.

Added bonus: we get to see him in Badass Battle Armor.

One thing I realized after watching episode 24 (especially after seeing that picture of the two of them in Yuki's room) is that.........despite all the drama with Yuki being captured and all, we don't get to see Kodai and Yuki together in their newfound, and quite importantly official (for the most part), relationship. I don't think we ever saw them together again after the end of episode 23, aside from when they were in groups with others like on the bridge. ARGH!!!!!

Yamato 2199 S2 had better be OOZING with KodaixYuki when it (hopefully) premieres. I want to see them like they were in the original!

macdawson · 2013-09-22, 10:41

It's funny that among Yuki's photograph collection there is one that is almost exactly like that Yamato Girls poster (though slighly edited) and more importantly, there is a photo of her and Kodai that is a wink to the original show.

Ithekro · 2013-09-22, 12:19

It is an interesting group picture in that collection on the bridge. The main staff (minus the captain) and then the women from other shifts for radar and science departments.

calubin_175 · 2013-09-22, 18:49

Heard that removing the Yamato's wave motion gun seal would be considered as a crime. If they produce a scatter version it still won't solve the problem as the output is still too high. I think the wave motion cartridge or some form of cartridge with scatter shots would do the trick. We still won't get the Earth fleet with easy win, however on the defense side, it is likely that we will get the missile based wave motion barrier from Fukkukatsu hen.

Question then, what should Earth ships have on their bows? A high output energy gun port just like the Kongo Class and the former escort ships?

The other thing is, since after episode 24, they haven't fired the beam cannons at all, it makes me wonder whether that was banned as well.

Ithekro · 2013-09-22, 19:03

I think Sanada wanted all power to engines, and then later hyperspace (or whatever its called) made them ineffective.

The scatter version seen on the 2201 Fleet and the 2220 Fleet might be enough. The worry seems to be destruction on a planetary level (crust penetration and greater). Yamato though, in all versions has the tighter beam, just they try to not hit planets (actively aiming to miss) with three exceptions.

One in the second series, Yamato fired on an enemy underground base with the wave motion gun (taking out the orbiting fleet, the missiles aimed at Yamato and the base). The planet survived.

Another in the third series. Yamato fires at an enemy base, though this time they've fired a planet destroying missile at Yamato from there and could do so at Earth given a chance. Again the planet survived (probably anyway)

Last time was in Final Yamato, wer they fired though a series of minor planets to get an enemy fleet before they could do more serious damage to Yamato. Those planets were destroyed and their debris wrecked the fleet.

Yamato rebuilt for the Resurrection film (2220) has a massive multi-shot wave motion gun. That's can't be "legal". The newer Earth ships have the wide area effect versions of the Wave Motion Gun tha shower an area with destructive energy. Perhaps like firing a thousand shock cannons into an area rather than a huge planet busting beam.

Supposedly there are rules about wave motion gun use. By government order only or something like that. But since Earth ships outside a certain distance won't be able to contact Earth, it would be up to the ship's commanding office or the fleet admiral to decide to use (and responsibility in using) the wave motion gun.

The failed OVA series, Yamato 2520, takes place in a universe suffering the aftermath of a hundred or more year war that used wave motion guns and the equivalents for the other side. Lots of dead planets and exploded planets.

calubin_175 · 2013-09-22, 20:05

I think the Desula Core Ship should have a Dessler cannon.

Ithekro · 2013-09-22, 20:06

Probably will if they make a second series.

FerrusManus · 2013-09-23, 05:59

I think the Wave Motion Gun is like todays nuclear weapons. Ships from Earth will only use them if they are really needed.

By the way, what kind of payload is carried by the physical shells fired from the Shock Cannons and the missiles that the Yamato uses? I don't think they use conventional chemical explosive.

macdawson · 2013-09-23, 06:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by calubin_175

The other thing is, since after episode 24, they haven't fired the beam cannons at all, it makes me wonder whether that was banned as well.

Well, they didn't have many occasions to fire them. When attacked at Balun they just ran for the gate to avoid the enemy trap. Inside Geschtam Space standard beam weapons seem to be dispersed upon firing so they're rendered useless. Realising this, they used the type 2 cartridges.

As for the WMG, until i see this subbed and actually understand what is being said in episode 24, i can't be sure of it but from what i've gotten from japanese fans, there's been no ban of the WMG. That "lid" thing seems to be part of the CRS. We can see it being deployed in the episode 26 PV. The CRS probably needs a lot of power to do its thing. If they hadn't built the WMG, they probably would have to come up with something similar to use the CRS. But with the WMG already there and ready for use, they went with that. I believe it's not wether or not you have a WMG but the way you use it that is important for Starsha. After Hyss tells her how the Yamato used it to save Baleras and Yurisha reports on her time aboard the Yamato, Starsha might have been convinced that that power was in good hands and that they'll use it only as a last resort. Thus she decided they were worthy of salvation and gave them the CRS. The other thing holding her back, and perhaps even more than the WMG, was giving up her loved one.

calubin_175 · 2013-09-23, 17:32

I guess she had to use Mamoru's memory and can't make duplicate copies or find a substitute.

I was browsing through OurStarBlazers and found that 2199 might have incorporated some elements of the early Yamato draft and that of the alternative novel versions.

http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/216/

Anyway, I am glad that there is a future for Yamato. Eagerly waiting for the novelisation.

Another thing I discovered was that it was always illogical for the original Yamato to hold 40+ fighters if you compare them with any scaled model. Sometimes the fighters had to be downsized just to fit into the toy. The PS2 games showed a hangar with 16 compartments but the Cosmo Tigers still had to be down scaled to fit in.

The new 2199 Yamato merchandise actually made an effort to jam all the Cosmo Falcons into two revolver bays just to make the Battle Star idea plausible. However, I could not locate the sleeping quarters from the Yamato Earth Settings book. Having a former industrial designer work on Sci-Fi mecha does make a difference.

Ithekro · 2013-09-24, 04:21

How large do you figure Dessler's new flagship is? The Command section seems smaller than Yamato, but the main ship seems to be at least twice as long as Yamato.

Thought on it?

macdawson · 2013-09-24, 07:20

I'd say about 500 meters long.

And i just finished watching episode 26 at Bandai Channel... WOW. That's how you end an amazing series. Haters will hate it, true fans will love it and cry their eyes out.

calubin_175 · 2013-09-24, 07:50

Your facebook page is indeed spoiler heavy.

macdawson · 2013-09-24, 13:08

Hence the warning. Though i'm trying to keep Episode 26 out of it. I will post an Episode description here later tonight, properly spoiler tagged for those who don't mind them But believe me. No amount of words, spoiler or otherwise, can begin to describe how beautifully done this Episode was.

pinoy78 · 2013-09-24, 15:13

ARGH!!!

I have another month till my BD arrives.

2013-09-22, 04:31	Link #2761
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Episode 26 PV <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/3n6RJvkGOc0">watch on YouTube</a>.</p> And episode 25 is up on nosub.tv __________________

2013-09-22, 05:22	Link #2762
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Having finished seeing the episode I can say more on the ending. Spoiler for 'last' battle: Well that goes to show again that nothing was added to the show just for show. The shells proving quite useful in the odd medium Yamato was in. However I did also see something else of importance. As the Dessler Cannon starts exploding the space in from the the flagship, Dessler's command section detacted and can be seen lifted vertically from the ship as the rest of it explodes. He'll be back. No telling what that explosion did. It looks like it shoved Yamato out the other end. Where would Dessler's ship end up? Cometine space? What better way to have the core of his new flagship survive to be converted into the flagship he is famous for having in the second series? __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2013-09-22 at 05:53.

2013-09-22, 06:48	Link #2763
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	Spoiler for The future: Incorporating homages from Yamato II and III into 2199 means that they will definitely have to do something original next, though they didn't kill off any main characters in this fire fight so it isn't saraba yet. That photo of Yuki and Hijikata is hilarious as it is merely the official mug shot stock photo. The Gamiloids didn't make an effort to occupy the turrets. Only the front three turrets are capable of being loaded with solid rounds as the rear ones lack ammunition provision space beneath. I think the solid rounds were only used twice before this occasion, goes to show that particle weapons may not always work. Good that they emphasised how much Dessler loves Starsha, hopefully we will get to see a bit more since Mamoru isn't around. Glad that animation quality came back. Maybe we will see a slightly weakened Gamilas fight off White Comet and Dark Nebula. Of course, we will need Earth to be in immediate danger. Probably one full series and a full length movie would do. Last edited by calubin_175; 2013-09-22 at 07:15.

2013-09-22, 09:46	Link #2765
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Taking into account Spoiler for Makoto: she's pregnant i don't think you'd want to see that... 2199 would become a whole different type of show! XDDD __________________

2013-09-22, 10:41	Link #2767
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	It's funny that among Yuki's photograph collection there is one that is almost exactly like that Yamato Girls poster (though slighly edited) and more importantly, there is a photo of her and Kodai that is a wink to the original show. __________________

2013-09-22, 12:19	Link #2768
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	It is an interesting group picture in that collection on the bridge. The main staff (minus the captain) and then the women from other shifts for radar and science departments. __________________

2013-09-22, 18:49	Link #2769
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	Heard that removing the Yamato's wave motion gun seal would be considered as a crime. If they produce a scatter version it still won't solve the problem as the output is still too high. I think the wave motion cartridge or some form of cartridge with scatter shots would do the trick. We still won't get the Earth fleet with easy win, however on the defense side, it is likely that we will get the missile based wave motion barrier from Fukkukatsu hen. Question then, what should Earth ships have on their bows? A high output energy gun port just like the Kongo Class and the former escort ships? The other thing is, since after episode 24, they haven't fired the beam cannons at all, it makes me wonder whether that was banned as well.

2013-09-22, 19:03	Link #2770
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I think Sanada wanted all power to engines, and then later hyperspace (or whatever its called) made them ineffective. The scatter version seen on the 2201 Fleet and the 2220 Fleet might be enough. The worry seems to be destruction on a planetary level (crust penetration and greater). Yamato though, in all versions has the tighter beam, just they try to not hit planets (actively aiming to miss) with three exceptions. One in the second series, Yamato fired on an enemy underground base with the wave motion gun (taking out the orbiting fleet, the missiles aimed at Yamato and the base). The planet survived. Another in the third series. Yamato fires at an enemy base, though this time they've fired a planet destroying missile at Yamato from there and could do so at Earth given a chance. Again the planet survived (probably anyway) Last time was in Final Yamato, wer they fired though a series of minor planets to get an enemy fleet before they could do more serious damage to Yamato. Those planets were destroyed and their debris wrecked the fleet. Yamato rebuilt for the Resurrection film (2220) has a massive multi-shot wave motion gun. That's can't be "legal". The newer Earth ships have the wide area effect versions of the Wave Motion Gun tha shower an area with destructive energy. Perhaps like firing a thousand shock cannons into an area rather than a huge planet busting beam. Supposedly there are rules about wave motion gun use. By government order only or something like that. But since Earth ships outside a certain distance won't be able to contact Earth, it would be up to the ship's commanding office or the fleet admiral to decide to use (and responsibility in using) the wave motion gun. The failed OVA series, Yamato 2520, takes place in a universe suffering the aftermath of a hundred or more year war that used wave motion guns and the equivalents for the other side. Lots of dead planets and exploded planets. __________________

2013-09-22, 20:05	Link #2771
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	I think the Desula Core Ship should have a Dessler cannon.

2013-09-22, 20:06	Link #2772
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Probably will if they make a second series. __________________

2013-09-23, 05:59	Link #2773
FerrusManus Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	I think the Wave Motion Gun is like todays nuclear weapons. Ships from Earth will only use them if they are really needed. By the way, what kind of payload is carried by the physical shells fired from the Shock Cannons and the missiles that the Yamato uses? I don't think they use conventional chemical explosive.

2013-09-23, 17:32	Link #2775
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	I guess she had to use Mamoru's memory and can't make duplicate copies or find a substitute. I was browsing through OurStarBlazers and found that 2199 might have incorporated some elements of the early Yamato draft and that of the alternative novel versions. http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/216/ Anyway, I am glad that there is a future for Yamato. Eagerly waiting for the novelisation. Another thing I discovered was that it was always illogical for the original Yamato to hold 40+ fighters if you compare them with any scaled model. Sometimes the fighters had to be downsized just to fit into the toy. The PS2 games showed a hangar with 16 compartments but the Cosmo Tigers still had to be down scaled to fit in. The new 2199 Yamato merchandise actually made an effort to jam all the Cosmo Falcons into two revolver bays just to make the Battle Star idea plausible. However, I could not locate the sleeping quarters from the Yamato Earth Settings book. Having a former industrial designer work on Sci-Fi mecha does make a difference.

2013-09-24, 04:21	Link #2776
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	How large do you figure Dessler's new flagship is? The Command section seems smaller than Yamato, but the main ship seems to be at least twice as long as Yamato. Thought on it? __________________

2013-09-24, 07:20	Link #2777
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	I'd say about 500 meters long. And i just finished watching episode 26 at Bandai Channel... WOW. That's how you end an amazing series. Haters will hate it, true fans will love it and cry their eyes out. __________________

2013-09-24, 07:50	Link #2778
calubin_175 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	Your facebook page is indeed spoiler heavy.

2013-09-24, 13:08	Link #2779
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Hence the warning. Though i'm trying to keep Episode 26 out of it. I will post an Episode description here later tonight, properly spoiler tagged for those who don't mind them But believe me. No amount of words, spoiler or otherwise, can begin to describe how beautifully done this Episode was. __________________

2013-09-24, 15:13	Link #2780
pinoy78 Yahk, DECULTURE! Join Date: Sep 2007	ARGH!!! I have another month till my BD arrives. __________________ Please subscribe to my YouTube channel HERE. Thanks. Just reviewed: Bandai DX YF-29, Renewal VF-25F and VF-25S.