(L+CR) Nisekoi Season 2

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

He is a Onodera fan, so Chitoge is a big threat to his ship, he is consistent I'll give him that.

Umm... It's not even about a threat. Chitoge is a walking plot device for the author to use to either foil a situation or change some dynamics in the story. There are very few scenes that even cause us to feel sympathy towards her. She blames Raku for everything and always hot-headed. At some point, the antics get tiring. Hence, why this show is more interesting when it starts focusing on any of the other girls.

[SQA]

Watching ep 1 & thinking back about season 1, I'm really kind of sad that SHAFT doesn't have "Jitsu wa Watashi wa" to produce. The reaction faces are really well done. The SHAFT style works very well for this type of series, since, functionally, almost nothing happens.

Still, for a by-the-numbers setup series that's main plot won't be resolved for as long as humanly possible, the anime is very enjoyable. I'd prefer that Chitoge was less violent, but the series is quite enjoyable and funny. Just don't stick around for the plot.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Umm... It's not even about a threat. Chitoge is a walking plot device for the author to use to either foil a situation or change some dynamics in the story. There are very few scenes that even cause us to feel sympathy towards her. She blames Raku for everything and always hot-headed. At some point, the antics get tiring. Hence, why this show is more interesting when it starts focusing on any of the other girls.

She isn't exactly blaming Raku for everything. That aside, it's still your subjective feeling and not anything the author does wrong from an objective view. You may find it interesting when the others get more focus. Likewise there are other people who are bored if Marika or Onodera Kosaki get highlighted. I find it curious that you bash the author for the handling of Chitoge. Well, without her there is no Nisekoi story, period. If you can't live with that it would be perhaps better for you to just move on from Nisekoi, or simply wait for episodes with a focus on other characters and only watch them.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Well, without her there is no Nisekoi story, period.

The author could have gone any direction he wants with this. Who is to say that if he didn't focus so much on Chitoge the story would not work? Like with the Index series, when Index is not emphasized on screen so much, the series is actually more entertaining.

Actually, there seems to be a certain passive aggressive attitude that dominates Nisekoi threads to be in a certain direction, so I might not be posting much in this thread in the future. Dissenting thoughts are met with a snark or go somewhere else attitude.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Umm... It's not even about a threat. Chitoge is a walking plot device for the author to use to either foil a situation or change some dynamics in the story. There are very few scenes that even cause us to feel sympathy towards her. She blames Raku for everything and always hot-headed. At some point, the antics get tiring. Hence, why this show is more interesting when it starts focusing on any of the other girls.

The plot device is the damn locket and keys, also try seeing it from her point of view, when you have Raku handing out backhanded compliments and commentary, assuming the worst about you before you've done anything, ignoring you and outright dismissing you when you are trying to say something anyone would get as mad as she does, not everything is her fault Raku is to blame for a lot of the crap that goes down and at times deserves getting hit, sadly he hides it behind his "good guy" act very well (or at least the author does) just because they say he is good and sweet does not mean he is.

If anything the author focuses way too much on Onodera and Raku's inaction (pretty much every chapter/episode) when we know nothing is going to happen, I do agree that in certain series less of a character is better and helps make a character more likeable (like in your example) but in this series Chitoge is one of the crucial parts of the "Fake" love and becuase of it she should get her part in the spotlight but that doesn't make her a plot device by that definition should would only be there to drive the plot along and that is exactly what the locket and keys are doing/supposed to do.

[thundrakkon]

@Chosen_Hero

Yes, I do agree that the locket and keys are the main plot device of the series. Still, Chitoge does serve as a foil to the progress of the story oftentimes as well.

Raku's main problem is his denseness, which is a disease that affects most harem MCs. A lot of his faults are due to that denseness, which is sort of difficult to blame when a person is not aware of his faults and no one lets him know until it is all over.

Also, I do agree that Onodera's and Raku's inaction shown every episode is overdone and tiring to watch as well. I guess if anything, I would really appreciate the series more if they actually moved the plot along and go to the next stage of the story, whatever that may be.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I guess if anything, I would really appreciate the series more if they actually moved the plot along and go to the next stage of the story, whatever that may be.

Be prepared to be disappointed then. I'm actually not unhappy that this season is apparently only one-cour. Don't want to see myself tiring out of the anime like I got tired out with the manga. Dropped it over half a year ago after basically a year's worth of chapters contained little to no progress and the gags no longer worked out for me. The overwhelming amount of progress story-wise from the end of the first season to the current state of the Nisekoi manga most probably falls into the range of what this anime season will cover.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Be prepared to be disappointed then. I'm actually not unhappy that this season is apparently only one-cour. Don't want to see myself tiring out of the anime like I got tired out with the manga. Dropped it over half a year ago after basically a year's worth of chapters contained little to no progress and the gags no longer worked out for me. The overwhelming amount of progress story-wise from the end of the first season to the current state of the Nisekoi manga most probably falls into the range of what this anime season will cover.

Just recently the manga has actually had actual plot the problem is Komi's still pulling some crazy shit.

[Master_Yoma]

Well a good start to anther season but a little to much Chitoge and Raku still playing it cool and knowing how to take a punch

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

@Chosen_Hero

Yes, I do agree that the locket and keys are the main plot device of the series. Still, Chitoge does serve as a foil to the progress of the story oftentimes as well.

Raku's main problem is his denseness, which is a disease that affects most harem MCs. A lot of his faults are due to that denseness, which is sort of difficult to blame when a person is not aware of his faults and no one lets him know until it is all over.

Also, I do agree that Onodera's and Raku's inaction shown every episode is overdone and tiring to watch as well. I guess if anything, I would really appreciate the series more if they actually moved the plot along and go to the next stage of the story, whatever that may be.

Then the same can be said about every girl holding a key, Chitoge with the "Fake" love thing, Onodera with her inaction, Marika with her keeping secrets and Raku with his indecisiveness dumping the blame entirely on Chitoge is pretty unfair when there are others screwing up.

And yet it is the dense persons job to at the least catch on to little things instead of completely ignoring every single thing, if he is supposed to be a human being with a properly functioning brain then at the least he is supposed to notice when something is wrong instead of out right ignoring it, even more so with someone close to you.

If you fail at picking up on the smallest of things then how are you expected to notice anything?

Plot you say, you just saw it, the locket and the keys they are pretty much what are currently driving the "plot".

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Just recently the manga has actually had actual plot the problem is Komi's still pulling some crazy shit.

Spoiler for reply, possible manga spoiler:

Actual plot he says, never knew keeping the status quo was considered plot, you only expect something to happen because the current chapters are about Onodera (like the vast majority of fillers) had it been someone else you know you wouldn't be saying the same thing.

[~Yami~]

the new opening is quite weird since it is done by Lisa
however I like the episode overall.. it is a nice change of pace to show us what Chitoge looks when she fell in love
lol'ed when Raku didn't notice the ribbon... so Chitoge's alluring weapon is something that have less effect toward Raku

an opening song centered to Haru? YES! my favorite girl will shine through this season

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Then the same can be said about every girl holding a key, Chitoge with the "Fake" love thing, Onodera with her inaction, Marika with her keeping secrets and Raku with his indecisiveness dumping the blame entirely on Chitoge is pretty unfair when there are others screwing up.

And yet it is the dense persons job to at the least catch on to little things instead of completely ignoring every single thing, if he is supposed to be a human being with a properly functioning brain then at the least he is supposed to notice when something is wrong instead of out right ignoring it, even more so with someone close to you.

If you fail at picking up on the smallest of things then how are you expected to notice anything?

Plot you say, you just saw it, the locket and the keys they are pretty much what are currently driving the "plot".

Spoiler for reply, possible manga spoiler:

Actual plot he says, never knew keeping the status quo was considered plot, you only expect something to happen because the current chapters are about Onodera (like the vast majority of fillers) had it been someone else you know you wouldn't be saying the same thing.

To reply to you Cho-san (see what i did there ) no i wouldnt because the arc isnt over yet and the fact they're using the key as a plot device is proof something should be about to happen.

[DragoonKain3]

Eps 0 and Eps 1 just firmly reinforces what I already know... I love Touyama, but I hate how she does Chitoge. Even this Chitoge-centric episode didn't do much for me, when I especially loved the 'did he notice any change?' bit in the manga. Oh well, guess it's still better than anything Tsugumi...

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

To reply to you Cho-san (see what i did there ) no i wouldnt because the arc isnt over yet and the fact they're using the key as a plot device is proof something should be about to happen.

Yeah, because the other times they've appeared they have made the plot move, right? It's not like anytime they appear either one gets broken or gets lost, right? How many have they tried opening (or talked about doing so) so far? And how much have we really learned about them (locket and keys) so far?

Seems you haven't learned anything so far while following the series, it's like stockholm syndrome by now.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Yeah, because the other times they've appeared they have made the plot move, right? It's not like anytime they appear either one gets broken or gets lost, right? How many have they tried opening (or talked about doing so) so far? And how much have we really learned about them (locket and keys) so far?

Seems you haven't learned anything so far while following the series, it's like stockholm syndrome by now.

Compared to Touma and Biribiri i suppose thats fine those two are a walking disaster couple wise at least in Nisekoi there's some romance Your couple of choice is walking romantic tension that never seemed to break.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Compared to Touma and Biribiri i suppose thats fine those two are a walking disaster couple wise at least in Nisekoi there's some romance Your couple of choice is walking romantic tension that never seemed to break.

...What does that have to do with anything? I haven't said anything about them so I don't understand why you felt the need to mention them, so I have an image I liked and used it as my avatar, what's the big deal? Good to know (and find more proof) that people on this site like to make assumptions based on someones avatar.

Anyways not falling for the obvious provocation (not the first time someone on this site has tried that). Next time please try to make an actual discussion about the proper anime in this thread until them I'll just dismiss/skip your comments.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

...What does that have to do with anything? I haven't said anything about them so I don't understand why you felt the need to mention them, so I have an image I liked and used it as my avatar, what's the big deal? Good to know (and find more proof) that people on this site like to make assumptions based on someones avatar.

Anyways not falling for the obvious provocation (not the first time someone on this site has tried that). Next time please try to make an actual discussion about the proper anime in this thread until them I'll just dismiss/skip your comments.

you fell for it already Cho-san. But lets get back to this season. If they do this right there are 3 arcs that they HAVE to do if not this is a failure and u know what they are

[chaos_animagic]

Love Marika's reactions to everything, she makes this series so much more fun.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by chaos_animagic

Love Marika's reactions to everything, she makes this series so much more fun.

She works for me thanks to the anime.

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Compared to Touma and Biribiri i suppose thats fine those two are a walking disaster couple wise at least in Nisekoi there's some romance Your couple of choice is walking romantic tension that never seemed to break.

Whoot? Your example is like saying Goku loving Vegeta. Zero sense cuz there isn't even mutualism necesary to make it work.

At least here in Nisekoi there is "something going on" between characters(it's just that their motto for life is inaction). Yes, that low and at this point those lockets can be thrown into a furnace and the dynamic between characters will be the same, I even dare to say that it might improve for better.

[SeaDoor]

I am stunned and puzzled by folks still using the word "plot" in a Nisekoi thread.