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Old 2015-01-07, 06:42   Link #81
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Ok, so from what I can make up, four themes are running simultaneously:

Repression and conformation to Social Norms
Yuri and Homosexuality (obvious)
Bestiality
Cannibalism

The first two are obvious and low hanging fruits for social commentary. The last two crosses into the taboo. I suspect, there's another argument the author is putting of - if you accept Homosexuality on the grounds of consent, in a world where an animal species becomes sentient, there cannot be objections to bestiality either, if both parties consent. Basically, the relationship of the bears and the MC seems to be headed towards consensual homosexual bestiality, and I think it's the author's way of "art", if one accepts the interpretation that art has to touch on the taboo.

Unfortunately, the narrative is jumbled up, confusing and arrogantly obtuse.
I suspect it is deliberate, and the intent is for a "dream within a dream" , Russian Doll world approach, with some elements of Inception thrown in. I doubt that the city is actually in a "real world". In-fact, I also doubt that the overall series narrative is going to be linear, to begin with.


But other than that, I have no idea where are they going with this piece of lunacy.
You're giving way too much credit to the writers/director of the show from just one episode. Its as simple as this. Lesbians + cos-playing lesbians + phallic imagery in an implied lesbian sex scene because demographic(ugh). That's about as much thought as they have put.
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Old 2015-01-07, 07:05   Link #82
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You're giving way too much credit to the writers/director of the show from just one episode. Its as simple as this. Lesbians + cos-playing lesbians + phallic imagery in an implied lesbian sex scene because demographic(ugh). That's about as much thought as I have put.
Fixed for truth.

They were actually licking the stigma/style of the lily (female reproductive part of a flower). Quasi-phallic.
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Old 2015-01-07, 09:25   Link #83
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SKU certainly benefits from a longer run and a more structured narrative composition, but that element was the most pedestrian part of the show.
What element do you mean? The plot/narrative of Utena is not exactly a "story" in a conventional sense and I think it was anything but pedestrian.
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Old 2015-01-07, 12:53   Link #84
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One thing that most people know --> the lily flower in japanese is yuri, at the same time symbolize lesbian.
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Old 2015-01-07, 13:27   Link #85
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What element do you mean? The plot/narrative of Utena is not exactly a "story" in a conventional sense and I think it was anything but pedestrian.
In what way? Do you mean the manner in which it was presented was unconventional?
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Old 2015-01-07, 13:57   Link #86
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There's no point in making sense out of a Ikuhara show in its first episode, and what I've seen did not even compel me to try.

In almost every regard, this first episode did not impress. I don't feel anything for the characters and their arbitrary catchphrases, who feel nothing like people and more like caricatured plot devices. I don't feel anything for the themes of homosexuality or conformity that Ikuhara might be gunning for, nor the glitz of the "surrealism and symbolism". At least for the first episode, YKA it comes off as an extremely shallow, indulgent and uninteresting piece compared to MPD. If this is what has been cooking in his mind since then, I'm disappointed.

I'll still stick with it for now; Ikuhara might be an extremely eccentric personality, but there is genuine brilliance in some parts, which I hope comes to light soon.
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Old 2015-01-07, 15:38   Link #87
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What element do you mean? The plot/narrative of Utena is not exactly a "story" in a conventional sense and I think it was anything but pedestrian.
The way in which the show was devised into three clearly defined arcs - Student Council, Black Rose & Akio Ohtori Saga. Coming out of Sailor Moon, this approach makes sense. Sagas/Arcs were a bigger thing in the 90s. The ritualistic-like repetition of elements per episode is also endemic of Magical Shoujo/transformations of the era.

Attempting something like that today would be disastrous since anime fans have much less tolerance for reused animation these days. Be-papas (Ikuhara & co.) managed to make repetition look good and be purposeful though.
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Old 2015-01-07, 16:55   Link #88
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Actually, watching the episode again, one thing I really liked was the music - the scene with Kureha and Sumika on the roof and then finding the cut down lilies had a lovely piano piece backing it.
Although is this the most inappropriate use of 'Ave Maria'?
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Old 2015-01-07, 17:08   Link #89
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new opening ^^

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Old 2015-01-07, 17:21   Link #90
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new opening ^^

I found this more meaningful than this series first episode .

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I can't remember that much from Penguindrum, but I think that despite being so... "deep"-seeming and all, it didn't really have that great of an ending. It has been a while, so I've forgotten, but I'm not sure if I want to go through another anime of idiotic mysterious jumble. On top of that, the character designs look like a cheap Clamp and those bear-males make me want to gag.

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Old 2015-01-07, 17:41   Link #91
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This anime look damn progresive in yuri term with the main girl who already have a girlfriend
probably is the quickler yuri anime do that
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Old 2015-01-07, 21:35   Link #92
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Ok, well that was damn odd.

No idea what they were trying to go for there. Wanted to say more, but that was just bizarre. I'll let those who enjoy whatever that was go ahead and do that.
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Old 2015-01-08, 00:51   Link #93
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One thing that I forgot to mention is that the sound direction is really well done in the WTF scenes. Almost hypnotic.
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Old 2015-01-08, 08:30   Link #94
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I'm somewhat amused by the idea that Kureha appears to be living in Norman Bates' house.
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That's probably Important Symbolism too...
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Old 2015-01-08, 10:46   Link #95
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I'm somewhat amused by the idea that Kureha appears to be living in Norman Bates' house.
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That's probably Important Symbolism too...
Good catch. I didn't notice that part because I was too busy looking at the location of her house. Unless Y-intersections are significantly more common in Japan than the US, I'm guessing it's a reference to Homura's house in Madoka Magica:

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Old 2015-01-08, 10:55   Link #96
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I just watched the first episode and that is weird. A lot more weird than from what I remember in penguindrum. Specially when the judge thing happen. Morality in question?
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Old 2015-01-08, 12:07   Link #97
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I'm not sure what I just watched but it's pretty funny how fast the main character's girlfriend was cast away like that.
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Old 2015-01-09, 07:08   Link #98
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Finally got round to watching the episode and... ok, that was weird and outlandish, even for Ikuhara I absolutely love both Utena and Penguidrum, but I'm not sure if this is exactly my cup of tea. I found the bear trial to be hilarious though, and I guess it was weird enough for me to want to see the next episode.

While the story may not be exactly to my liking (so far), in Ikuhara's defence I can say that I am loving everything else. Ok, maybe I'm not the biggest fan of the way the characters are drawn, but the backgrounds... that is scenery porn if I've ever seen some. I mean the school, the house, THE STAIRCASE. And flowers. God knows, Ikuhara and flowers is a magical combination (I loved the little scene in the middle with the lilies falling down against the background of the school, reminded me a bit of the beautiful scene with the roses in the Utena movie). The music, I have to say, was also great. Not sure how I like the OP and ED, but the soundtrack is great.

So yeah, I'm sticking around for a bit longer. Hopefully the story pans out well, because so far, aesthetically, I (mostly) like what I see and what I hear. It would be a shame to drop this because of the story, but this is Ikuhara, so I guess we'll be seeing some more interesting (and weird) things.
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Old 2015-01-09, 13:56   Link #99
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Read somewhere that the Bear Court represents the superego, ego, and the id (left to right).
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Old 2015-01-09, 15:11   Link #100
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unable to tell what this series is about...

yuri?
bears?
human bears?
mystery bears?
bears x yuri?
yuri bears?
bears eat yuri?
magical bears?
transforming bears?
bear in human in cosplay?
wha?

also, did I just saw they use 200~500 USD worth of Bear statues as target practices?

and... there's no regular bear left in this world? does that include all bear types?

and... why are those bear so tiny...
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