2012-03-13, 13:06 | Link #261 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Mei States that the "Another" is at the hotel correct? (Episode 10) That rules out the school staff and his aunt... I was really in favor of the aunt theory, guess we read too into it and it would make the preview of characters in the intro useless... Btw, I admire your conviction towards KNOX with so many people throwing you down, myself included. xD |
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2012-03-13, 16:58 | Link #264 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 36
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As you may have seen I have often referred to Miss Marple books during my different attemps to analyze the evidence (before and after I got to know the solution). You now have to know that A. Christie and R.Knox were both in the same club, so it was easy to get that you can probably solve her novels using Knox rules. So I'm actually just used to apply them. I can do a detailed analysis with all the hints given and where later. As to the other part: (no actual spoiler, just something to think about) Spoiler for Theory about Mei's eye:
Does this mean anything or am I just pretending that it does?Is this part of the pehnomenon a deus ex Machima, a Lie Misaki told us? A hallucination or optical deception? Who knows :P. I'm thrilled to see whether they have the same Another in the Anime as it is in the other works thouggh, because at least one death got already swapped between victims.
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2012-03-13, 17:42 | Link #265 | ||
Kana Hanazawa ♥
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: France
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And if the original class roster didn't include Kouichi, then there should have normally been only 28 desks prepared, since the extra person was only edited into the records in April. They should be two desks missing: one for the transfer student and one for the dead student. However, there were 29 of them from the beginning. That can only mean that a desk was prepared for Kouichi long advance, or that the extra person was never a student. I don't know if I'm clear enough... basically, there are two cases scenario depending on when Kouichi was added on the roster: - His transfer had been planned in advance -> There were 29 persons including him on the original roster, so a desk was prepared for him as well. The extra person used it and nobody ever noticed there was a desk missing for the future transfer student (until now, they apparently assumed it was a safe year with no extra student). - His transfer was decided in April, after the school year had already started -> There were therefore only 28 persons on the original class roster if you take out Kouichi and the extra student, so 28 desks should have been prepared... yet there were 29. The only way to explain that is that all 29 students are real and were on the roster before the year started. Quote:
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2012-03-13, 18:08 | Link #266 | |
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Switzerland
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Someone did mention somewhere that there might be another Another in each medium (novel, anime and manga).
Anyway, unto the topic at hand: there are a few points that I need someone to clarify for me. - In the first episode the visiting classmates have trouble saying Sakakibara’s name. Mei later explains that the classmates associate this name with “a cruel irrational death that occurred at school”. Yet later they don’t seem to have any trouble saying it anymore. Is this ever explained? - why was the librarian surprised about Kouichi being Ritsuko’s son, and how come Misaki also knew about her? Yousuke did mention on the phone that she was special. (On a related note, if “Sakakibara” is Kouichi’s father’s name, what is his mother’s (and Reiko’s) maiden name? And at that point I'm even starting to wonder if he's really the father.) There’s also the mystery about Kouichi having been in Yomiya before that needs to be resolved. He doesn’t remember it, but an external source (his father) confirms it, and Akazawa mentions meeting him (was it really him she met?). This coincides with “the situation two years ago" (episode 4, 18:30). Wasn’t that when the “inexistent” student broke down and refused his role? Note that they took a class trip to Tokyo the year before, so there's also the possibility they met there and then. On the same topic, there’s also Matsunaga remembering seeing Reiko recently, something which she denies (is she lying? And/or and was it really Reiko?). With Mei mentioning that siblings look alike in episode 10 we can’t even be sure that everybody is who they say (or think) they are anymore. Quote:
- it requires being able to read kanji - it requires being able to recognise someone (it’s anime and everybody looks alike!) - it requires being aware of a specific Japanese custom I sure hope it’s something more concrete than that, especially since the source material is a novel and thus shouldn’t require visual hints. |
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2012-03-13, 18:36 | Link #267 | ||
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Misaki studied the old class pictures already and got all her information from Chibiki, who always gladly accepts help from students. It's not unlikely for them to be surprised that the sudden addition to class 3-3 is a relative of somebody who was in the class that started it all. Quote:
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2012-03-13, 18:42 | Link #268 | ||
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 36
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He has the same surname as a 13 or 14 year old boy who killed a 13 and a 10 year old student some time before that. There is a longer explaination about this in the novel and someone has already translated it somewhere. ->They just got used to it. The Librarian was suprised because she was in the same class as the original Misaki and thus his student. Mei only read the name from the picture. You esentially just have to count where she stands and take that name. I think the inexistant refusing his role was 7 years ago when they visited the temple, I might be wrong with that though. it was certainly not the first time someone did that though. -Mei's look alike comment: You will have to find that one out yourself, both confirming and denying it could spoiler. Ad useless hints: Saying what kind of hint it is would actually spoiler everything, and since I can't read japanese I also can't say whether the autor smacks it in thee readers face as much as the anime does. I will however say a few words regarding your ideas: ad 1): If they don't change anything regarding that when the BD comes out you are not required to read kanji to solve it. this would be unfair even to the Japanese as some Words are pretty hard, even for japanese high school students.(Otherwise a certain Joke in a certain different anime would not work) ad 2): You are always able to distinct characters in this anime by some way so no, its not that. ad3): Its not a japanese custom either. it being animated might help a bit but if they didn't change the dialogue too much you can easily get it without it being animated. Quote:
I don't think anyone got that essential piece as of yet though. Hard to remember 14 pages of speculations and theories though. I'm not even sure we are talking about the same clue.
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2012-03-13, 21:13 | Link #270 | |
Moving in circles
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While it would have been a lot better had the anime made this link clear, I can at the same time understand why it was left out. The "connection" has so far had no bearing whatsoever on the plot. In a novel or manga, it's possible to leave a footnote at the bottom of the page to explain the similarity. In anime, that isn't possible, unless you add exposition that would be unnecessary if it had no relevance to the story. |
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2012-03-13, 22:26 | Link #271 | |
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In my translation of Mei's and Kouichi's conversation I limited the part where they talked about the Kanji to "his classmates wrote his name the same way Sakakibara did"...which gives a proper idea of what is meant to somebody who has no idea of kanji. Still basically, they are both names Sakakibara and this name rung a bell in 1998, no matter how it was written in the end. |
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2012-03-14, 13:37 | Link #277 |
Moving in circles
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 49
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At this point, I find myself half-wishing that a certain silver-haired vagrant medicine man would emerge from an uroana somewhere in the hills and walk into town to tell everyone: DON'T PANIC!
The various phenomena are just the work of extremely basic life forms that can't be seen with normal eyes, he'd say. They aren't to blame for the tragedy they cause; they are simply going about their daily existence, oblivious to whatever effect they have on humans. Some of these life forms can even be beneficial; I should know, he'd say, because I have injected one particular strain into a glass eye and turned it into a bona fide organic eye! It only looks miraculous, but once you get to know the life form responsible for the transformation, it's all actually very scientific, he'd add. But the young man, who has a penchant for Eddie Bauer trench coats it seems, would readily concede that one particular life form is causing a lot of inadvertent harm and must therefore be removed for everyone's safety. I'd understand, he'd say, because I once had to "kill" this fungus-like creature that caused a woman to become barren and then impersonated human children so as to be adopted by the grief-stricken lady. It's a tough choice, but human life must unfortunately take precedence over the life form's right to existence, he'd admit reluctantly. He'd then round up a few Yomiyama locals, including the students of Class 3-3, and explain another counter-measure that would deal with the malignant life form for good. Then all would become fine and dandy and just as an unreasonable number of women start falling in love with him, the silver-haired man would mutter something about attracting more trouble to the area and how even veteran travellers would go soft if they stay in one place too long, and then disappear into the woods again and return to his usual wandering on the other end of the apparently-supernatural-but-actually-totally normal uroana. The End. |
2012-03-14, 16:54 | Link #278 | |
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2012-03-14, 19:58 | Link #279 | |
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The question is, would the one person more actually appear visibly as someone who joined later? This would be against the coherency the phenomenon seems to aim for, as it would actually draw attention to this student, wouldn't it? On the other hand, his status as an outsider transfering into the school would perfectly disguise any doubt about nobody having any contact to him up until 1998. Or Kouichi could have originally been at place 29 but the inclusion of one person more among the students before that pushed him down one place. As the roster is only observed by him and Mei in June, it is already 3 months after the school year began and the roster would no longer be a completely believable source. Still his position on the roster shows that his arrival wasn't announced early enough to warrant his placement in the original roster when it was first published. |
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2012-03-14, 21:51 | Link #280 | |
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Adding a Desk is a matter of 10 minutes and they definitely knew he would be there in April, which is when thee introduction scene takes place and Reiko tells him where his school is.
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