2013-03-16, 22:12 | Link #162 |
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Urgh. Tus, your past tense is my future tense.
When you said he "fought" with them, I thought you meant he had fought with them before Haruyuki became Silver Crow. Because he obviously hadn't fought them after that happened. Because for me, that battle you talk about isn't "fought", it's "WILL fight". For me, the "present" is still set around the end of the anime; definitely NOT any farther than the meeting of the Kings to discuss Silver Crow's infection. Spoiler for Takumu:
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2013-03-17, 01:17 | Link #164 | |||
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The best ideal I can think of for now is this: What will happen if someone able to collect all parts(or their user) of the great constellation. |
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2013-03-17, 09:59 | Link #165 | |
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Vertical Climb was not a hidden ability. It is not something that Ash Roller originally had. That's why it was a bonus.
Ash Roller was built around the Night Rocker. The motorcycle may have already had various options like snow-treads for the "Ice and Snow" stage or a jet-ski mode for water-based stages (otherwise the bike would be a huge liability)... But the power to climb walls was just as much an "extra" as the enhanced speed or the missiles. For Silver Crow, having Aviation be hidden would have been like the Night Rocker or Pile Driver or Choir Chime start out unequipped and hidden from Roller, Pile and Bell. These are the central features they are built around. Aviation is not an "extra", it's an "essential". Vertical Climb is no more essential to Ash Roller than Splash Stinger is to Cyan Pile. Quote:
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2013-03-17, 14:23 | Link #166 |
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Actually I'm pretty sure absolutely nothing will happen even if you claim every piece of Arc equipment. I'm putting this in [good spoiler tags], Gold, unless you know about the Arcs and who owns them:
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So if you realise, you have multiple weapons and multiple protective equipments. Not only is it highly unlikely you actually need more than one Armament 99.9% of the time, the inability to equip possibly more than two Armaments at the same time meansthe rest will be sitting in your storage doing nothing. Eg. You can equip Zeta and Alpha at the same time maybe, but what will happen to the unused Epsilon? Ownership of more than a single Arc is also highly unrealistic because of the sheer number of Enemies you're going to have to fight to get to one. V7 should already indicate how difficult it is to obtain even one. And taking ownership into account, the easiest six of the Seven Arcs have already been obtained. Four of them are being wielded by Kings, no less. One has been locked up and the last one is unreachable in the near future. To own more than one you'd need to figure out how to kill a King... |
2013-03-17, 14:34 | Link #167 |
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Theft is also possible. Sulphur Pot lost the Mystic Reigns.
The Fluctuating Light is the one Arc no one's gotten, and it's presumed to rest in the heart of the Forbidden Palace that no one has breached, yes? But the Luminary, the Destiny and the Infinity all came from the same palace? The Palace is surrounded by walls which cannot be flown over or dug under; the only way to enter is through the gates, which are each guarded by an Enemy stronger than even Legendary class. Too strong for the Black King or any Element to defeat alone. (Which suggests that KYH and her compatroits could solo Legendaries, otherwise I don't see them having enough false confidence to even try it.) Azure Heir can enter the UNF from inside the walls, presumably because he's the crown prince. But surely he had to defeat at least some kind of Enemy to gain the Infinity. (Which is a straight sword rather than a katana? Huh.) |
2013-03-17, 14:41 | Link #168 | |
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Azure Heir actually lives inside the palace, so I think he actually just spawns inside the safe area, wher he could pick up the Infinity, but not inside the safe area for TFL. And The Infinity is described to be like a katana, but straight rather than curved so that it resembles a western sword. Edit: yea, TFL resides at the very centre of the palace. |
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2013-03-17, 21:24 | Link #169 |
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So, I read Versus.
It confirms that the author must not have originally known that "Cyan" refers to a greenish blue, because this text describe Pile as a "blue color which slightly tilted in the purple direction". Other LNs often describe Cyan Pile as "indigo-blue". "...Ash Roller, he is more like the green than the grey type," she says. But when and where does "grey" come into the picture? There's no grey scale outside of the color wheel, and no room for grey within the wheel. On top of that, what color is "Ash" supposed to be? When I first watched the anime, I figured it was supposed to be a "dirty white" color, like soot-stained bone. After all, he's a skull-faced, leather-clad miscreant riding a gas-fueled motorcycle. The only "green" spots on him are a few gems. It confuses me that even Kuroyukihime, the Pure Black Burst Linker and Child of the Pure White Burst Linker, whose experience includes other Black avatars like Graphite Edge and Aqua Current and possibly other White avatars... would not understand what White and Black mean in the color system. The translation has KYH call Black the "rejected color", but the way she uses it, I have to wonder if "the rejectING color" or "color of rejection" is more appropriate. Not the color of those rejected by the char-gen (character-generation) system, but the color of those who reject the world and other people. Haruyuki says that this isn't true, citing how KYH reached out to him, but people can take exceptional actions. If Haruyuki is only an exception in KYH's general isolation and stand-offishness, that's not proof. And he's surely biased. Even KYH sees herself as one "who couldn't interact with other people". And her lack of hands to hold, and her many blades which discourage holding, speak to isolation and rejection. Just as Aqua Current's water-armor/body rejects any intrusions or impurities just as much as identifying features that other people can relate with. In the end, I don't think I got any closer to figuring it out. However, the author perhaps deliberately intended to draw a parallel between the Black Swordsman Kirito and Black Lotus. Perhaps the color black has a specific meaning for the author, and he used Haruyuki to convey that to his readers. The idea that black is actually the warmest, most receptive and supportive color of all. |
2013-03-17, 21:43 | Link #170 | |
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KYH just doesn't want to talk about her Parent. And actually, I suspect they rarely interacted much in AW, due to an implication from a [bad] spoiler between herKYH and Graphite Edge. Edge isn't a "greyscale" avatar either. Good spoiler: Spoiler for Edge's colour:
As for everything else about black, I actually think the answer lies in their IS; good spoiler: Spoiler for KYH's IS:
In other words, «trying to connect with others» when they previously cannot. ...but Black Vise is punching a massive hole in this. |
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2013-03-18, 06:15 | Link #171 | ||||
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Even Lv1 Pile has nothing except his stinging attack, and Crow probably able to win again him(accord what happen in Vol1). The system decide that Crown Lv1 is fine without Flight. Actually it was rather unfair when he got Flight at Lv1, almost no Lv1 can win against him. That was the benefit to learn Passive Skill during battle, include doesn't cost bonus(even through it rather hard, especially if you not yet known the skill name. Its principle probably similar to what Raker said "You did not fly because of the wings. It’s the opposite. So that you can fly, you made the wings materialize.", a pseudo way learning IS skill.) Quote:
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Also, "he already followed Kuroyukihime’s advice and put all of his level up bonuses into speed and flight time upgrades.". I think 'speed' refer to avatar's speed not flight's speed(the sentence express that way) and get really curious about the variety of 'bonus choice upgrade window'. Also if your «Enhanced Armament» isn't beginning equipment, you suppose to obtain it by using bonus. But after that, do you get option to upgrade it directly or only through its skills. Last edited by Shiyumi; 2013-03-18 at 10:04. |
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I've been wondering why Lotus, who apparently once idolized her sister, would take a different mentor in Graphite Edge and break away from White Cosmos to form her own legion. Of course there is. Aviation didn't appear on Silver Crow's Move List at all, despite being an ability that requires deliberate, conscious activation. It was therefore, at least in some sense, hidden. Quote:
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He had some easy wins for a Level or two, because people were still figuring out how to deal with a flier, but then everyone figured out his weakness, which anyone with a decent ranged attack could exploit. He figured out how to counter snipers, but that's just covering for his weakness. It doesn't eliminate the weakness, nor prevent snipers from coming up with counter-counter strategies. Quote:
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2013-03-19, 19:17 | Link #173 | ||
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I meant to say that he is a blue colour mixed with lots of black to get a nearly black avatar. Quote:
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Awrya...okay, I'll consider it. In the meantime, I'd better hurry to translate V11.2, Breakdown16 just got out V8.3. ): |
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2013-03-23, 18:22 | Link #174 |
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I wonder....
Could Silver Crow's wings be a result of IS? It does shimmer in the anime when activated, and Raker has hinted that the wings were a direct result of his desire. That might explain why his ability was 'hidden': it was never there from the start. It does seem strange after all, considering how other avatars had their full abilities listed right from the start and Crow only unlocked 'Aviation' after getting his wings to sprout. Though it'll probably take tremendous willpower for you to craft a physical body part out of simply pure thought. Or could it be that the wings were always there, just waiting to be unlocked with a level-up bonus and Haru simply forced it to sprout prematurely through IS? That would open up a whole can of worms though. |
2013-03-23, 19:33 | Link #175 | |
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His character was built around the flying ability, his level-up bonus was to extend flying time, which only makes sense if his wings were his base ability at Lv.1. He could also have chosen a projectile skill, which is a completely new skill unlike flight extension. Have a look at the last two pages, there was quite an interesting discussion about the skills of Dusk Taker and Silver Crow.
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2013-03-23, 19:47 | Link #176 |
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I'd go with the second proposition, that the wings were there and Crow unlocked it early. This might even explain Dusk Taker too (Duke, read up the last few pages for a textual free-for-all all about Taker).
Arwya, interesting is an underestimation Hmm. Using IS but it doesn't look like IS, may well explain a lot of weird stuff. Like Lotus vs Radio, this opens up a possible explantion that Radio's baton couldn't get cut, he was using IS to give his baton a boost, but not so much that it starts to glow. A little V13 spoiler since relevant topic: Spoiler for Who uses what IS:
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2013-03-23, 21:54 | Link #177 |
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Niko calls the four types of IS technique "basics", and says that the other, older Kings have long ago grown past their own mental scars while she still struggles with her own.
I just assumed that the White, Yellow, Green, Purple and Blue Kings have IS abilities unlike anything we've yet seen. Though Raker could very well be their equal or superior in that regard, as I doubt any of them spent as much time training their Image power. KYH missed out on 2000 virtual years of training in comparison, unless she used private networks to dive into the Unlimited Neutral Field. She probably had to do that, from time to time, to hunt Enemies for points so that she could afford to keep Accelerating and checking for Burst Linker on the school network. Poor Graphite Edge and Ardor Maiden couldn't even do that much. They'll be even more out of practice than KYH. |
2013-03-23, 22:16 | Link #179 | |
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Makes me very curious as to why Edge and Maiden haven't attempted contact with Black Lotus... and why they haven't been located or wiped out by the surviving Great Legions. Brain Burst itself provides no method of Instant-Messaging other Burst Linkers. Haruyuki and Yuniko have to use regular e-mail and "telephone" calls to stay in touch. But given that KYH and Utai know each other's real names and faces... and Edge could use an anonymous e-mail address just as Haru and Niko do. Wouldn't it also be possible to escape EK mode by running as far away as possible before the God Enemy kills you? Then running away some more when you respawn? Two years seems like plenty of time to "inch" yourself away from the Enemy's aggro-radius. |
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2013-03-23, 22:38 | Link #180 |
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In the KYH wiki spoiler, they attempted the Palace invasion after Rider got chopped, so after even that failed, it was either because they were in deep enough trouble without trying the invasion, or they suspected Lotus' leadership after having had sh*t hit the fan twice. Whichever was the case at that point in time they're still high-level Linkers, it's highly unlikely they'll be seriously hunted just by affiliation to Lotus.
As for why they can't inch out of the palace...that place is classified as a dungeon, right? It would not surprise me that dungeons have their own special rules regarding respawns, particularly a rule that says they must respawn inside the aggro area, not just where they died. The way I see it, V9 is the closing of a second arc in the story, the rescue if Maiden and the purification of the armour. Now that I acquired chinese raws of all volumes...I kinda regret taking up V11 first. But I'll finish that first before I consider V9. |
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