(L+CR) My Hero Academia Season 2

[Dengar]

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Isn't Deku absolutely fine? Sure he broke some bones, but that's his own choice, and it's not like he can't be fixed.

No seriously, if someone were to prevent me from trying as hard as I can to achieve my dreams, out of so-called "concern" for my alleged "safety" I'd use my broken arms to tear their limbs off.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Isn't Deku absolutely fine? Sure he broke some bones, but that's his own choice, and it's not like he can't be fixed.

Not entirely. Which is why Recovery Girl was on All Might's case. Just not enough.

[DemonneoPT]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Instead of throwing all those big attacks, he should have gone with smaller, less costly ones, using the big ones only once in a while to keep Deku on his toes.

Then, Deku would not need to use his power and just easily dodge those small ice attacks. Don't forget that Todoroki needs to connect his ice to the ground so it can travel to the enemy. Small scale attacks using such method are way too inefficient as seen in the cavalry battle. The only way to proceed is doing exactly what he's done. But just like Deku, his power has a limit and he slowly gets frozen and slow. Therefore the endurance match between the two.

[Wandering Soul]

Dat animation near the end was amazing. Bones doesn't disappoint.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Which I consider a character flaw.

Not that I disagree, but the Cement hero did state that Deku did seem to be counting on Recovery girl to be able to take care of the injuries. I guess Deku also felt that it would hypocritical to call Todoroki out on not giving it all, while he himself was holding back.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

That's what I don't like about Deku. It's one thing to sacrifice himself because lives are in danger. It's another to do so to win a mere school event. And think of the position it puts his opponents in.

Deku wasn't sacrificing himself to win the event, he was sacrificing himself to save Todoroki. Todoroki has been tormenting himself with his feelings about his father. Deku went to such extremes in order to get Todoroki to stop thinking about his father and to embrace his own power. This meant he could never allow todoroki to win while holding himself back; he had to drive Todoroki beyond his limits so he would have no choice but to use his fire.

Though Deku's desire to win is also driven by symbolic meaning. All might wants Dkeu to become the next symbol of peace and thus he wanted Deku to use this event to make himself known to the world. In a way, While Deku did want to win, he ended up making it a lot harder on himself since his best chance of winning would have been to take advantage of Todoroki's mental block. He wanted to both win and save todoroki at the same time.

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Isn't Deku absolutely fine? Sure he broke some bones, but that's his own choice, and it's not like he can't be fixed.

No seriously, if someone were to prevent me from trying as hard as I can to achieve my dreams, out of so-called "concern" for my alleged "safety" I'd use my broken arms to tear their limbs off.

Not necessarily. Recovery girl's power really just amplifies and speeds up the body's natural healing ability, but not every injury can be healed. She might be able to repair broken bones, but i think there are limits to what she can heal

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Isn't Deku absolutely fine? Sure he broke some bones, but that's his own choice, and it's not like he can't be fixed.

No seriously, if someone were to prevent me from trying as hard as I can to achieve my dreams, out of so-called "concern" for my alleged "safety" I'd use my broken arms to tear their limbs off.

If he managed to cause himself a permanent injury - say, lose his arms altogether - or get himself killed, he might lose those dreams forever. Most of your life is a balance between working towards stuff you want and cutting your body & mind enough slack to actually be able to keep doing that in the future. Sometimes you can do 5 now, or hold back and be able to do 10 tomorrow. In his case, if this was a realistic rather than a hot-blooded shounen show, he could have forfeited this year's festival and pointed all on the next two, and in the meanwhile focusing on training his body and learning to control OFA, which is obviously the main priority.

[Dengar]

I'm fairly sure he didn't lose his arms and is in fact going to be just fine. So what you say makes no sense. It's pointless to think about situations that don't occur.

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Isn't Deku absolutely fine? Sure he broke some bones, but that's his own choice, and it's not like he can't be fixed.

the fixing only works perfectly for some time,

if it goes beyond that his body wont repair fully anymore...

No seriously, if someone were to prevent me from trying as hard as I can to achieve my dreams, out of so-called "concern" for my alleged "safety" I'd use my broken arms to tear their limbs off.

his "dream" is to become the #1 hero (losing this fight or the tournament wouldnt have suddenly meant he loses everything...in fact, it wouldnt have meant anything at all)
what he currently does is just stupid, i mean it is a f*cking game!
offering a limb for that is just beyond idiotic

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

I guess Deku also felt that it would hypocritical to call Todoroki out on not giving it all, while he himself was holding back.

through to be fair,

dekus holding back wouldnt be wrong since if he goes beyond what he can control he will destroy his body while todorokis holding back just harms him, it is basically the direct opposite :/

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm fairly sure he didn't lose his arms and is in fact going to be just fine. So what you say makes no sense. It's pointless to think about situations that don't occur.

The reason why Recovery Girl and the other teachers are worried is that obviously there IS a limit to how much can be healed. Like all other Quirks, Recovery Girl's isn't unlimited, and it uses up the healed person's own stamina (as Uraraka said), so obviously it can't heal anything so grievous the person doesn't have enough stamina to make up for.

Also,

*mod snip*

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

dekus holding back wouldnt be wrong since if he goes beyond what he can control he will destroy his body while todorokis holding back just harms him, it is basically the direct opposite :/

Yeah, exactly, it's not the same thing. Todoroki was holding back for reasons unrelated to the fights. For Deku it would be simply a matter of tactical calculation. Better to risk it all this time at the cost of his body's integrity, or to hold on for now and wait for a better chance once he's trained OFA more?

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

I also got the idea that when Todoroki activates his fire ability, it nulifies his limitation in using the ice. Does his fire have a weakness too tho?

maybe just the opposite?

i mean a human can get fever and die if ones body temperature goes at 40+, iirc 42 is deadly,

so if he overuses either side without balancing it out todoroki could very well cause himself some serious injurys and maybe even kill himself

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

Yeah, exactly, it's not the same thing. Todoroki was holding back for reasons unrelated to the fights. For Deku it would be simply a matter of tactical calculation. Better to risk it all this time at the cost of his body's integrity, or to hold on for now and wait for a better chance once he's trained OFA more?

would have been really nice to actually have a shounen following the route of a rational thinking mind

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

would have been really nice to actually have a shounen following the route of a rational thinking mind

Well, it's also a matter of environment. Like, HXH has some pretty level-headed people, it's just that the protagonist isn't one of them. But he isn't supervised by adults or anything, he's part of an absolutely crazy world . Here it's supposed to be a school, which makes events like this stretch one's belief a little.

BUT ANYWAY, the episode WAS awesome, and damn, that animation at the end.

[Proto]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

would have been really nice to actually have a shounen following the route of a rational thinking mind

That's Death Note. Well at least that's what it intends to do.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Which I consider a character flaw.

Other people consider it a flaw too: you'll see more talk about that in the next episode.

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

The thing that is even less understandable is actual adults endorsing this behaviour of his and not reprimanding him. Hell, in general, the way they encourage these kids to fight to near-death because they can be healed anyway and keep putting pressure on them makes it look like their concerns for their safety are only a facade. This is not supposed to be an SAS training camp, it's a high school, even if for superheroes. But yeah, obviously shonen logic applies. In many ways this would make more sense if these were all young, 18+ people but not kids.

All Might works on shonen over-the-topness, so he can't help but encourage Deku when Deku shows that kind of determination. It's a bad thing for a teacher to do, but that's one of All Might's character flaws. Recovery Girl is going to verbally take a chunk out of his and Deku's hides for letting things get to this point, trust me.

[grecefar]

deku won more than he lose, he won a new badass BFF.

great chapter.

[Ghostfriendly]

Sorry for another Naruto reference, but the Deku Todoroki fight seemed to following Naruto vs Neji (plucky shonen hero calling out aloof rival's family problems, rival dominates then goes down in one hit), right up until the end. And it was far better than Naruto vs Neji, since Deku really and viably put himself through the wringer, Todoroki visibly confronted his problems, and he didn't go down in one hit, but won. However hard Deku works, his path to greatness will better paced than Naruto's.

[DemonneoPT]

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

Well, it's also a matter of environment. Like, HXH has some pretty level-headed people, it's just that the protagonist isn't one of them. But he isn't supervised by adults or anything, he's part of an absolutely crazy world . Here it's supposed to be a school, which makes events like this stretch one's belief a little.

That's because you are using our world logic in an universe that is fundamentally different from ours. UA is a school indeed, but it's a school training people for combat. And the students are not ordinary kids. They are killing weapons with advanced destructive power. Having a few broken bones is expected in such environment. And the referees were there to prevent them from killing each other. That said, i will not deny Deku is insane..lol. Giving your best is an amazing feat to do but doing so while you torture your body is a madman level resolve right there . What is even more impressive (or reckless) is that he tried so hard not to actually win but to help Todoroki overcome his problems. Like All Might said, this is Deku's greatest strenght but also his greatest weakness. But then again, only a crazy mind like his will allow Deku to become the greatest hero in the world and achieve great things. That's something ordinary people are just unable to do even if their Quirk is powerfull!

[Kanon]

It's so great that this series ended up in the hands of such a great studio. The whole fight was awesome.

[Random14]

Wow, that was a huge clash right at the end. Deku's been holding back on using OFA considering the strain, but against Todoroki he has to go all out. Aside from maybe Bakugo, all those Smashes are the only thing that can counter the ice. This is the first time anyone's managed to force Todoroki to actually fight this long. Although with the fire that cancels out the endurance problem (at least partially) which is why Endeavour was so obsessed with getting a high power fire/ice quirk.

Even then it still came down to close combat, I loved the animation for when they were circling each other. Todoroki had used up his big ice attacks and his smaller ice attacks were slower. Even in the state Deku was in, he still managed to get a few hits in on Todoroki. And while it would have been nice for Deku to advance, it was more important to help Todoroki, Deku just can'thelp himself. As well as seeing more of Todoroki's mother (particularly the moment when she snapped). Its clear why Todoroki still favors his mother over Endeavour, and especially after the risks Uraraka took, I can see why Deku pushed himself (and Todoroki) so far.

Even if Deku had won he wouldn't have been in any shape for the next round. That was one epic fight, probably the best one yet of this tournament. If they have to take long breaks between seasons to maintain this quality, I have no problem with that. I'm glad they still show the rest of the cast too (Mineta blasted out of his seat, the pros outside wondering what the heck is going on, even Bakugo still calling Sero Flat Face), I love background like that. Too bad Deku's out, but at least he made it pretty far, even at a high cost. Ouch, seeing his fingers like that and gradually breaking more of them. Its not healthy (mentally or physically) to count your fingers like ammunition.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

Then, Deku would not need to use his power and just easily dodge those small ice attacks. Don't forget that Todoroki needs to connect his ice to the ground so it can travel to the enemy. Small scale attacks using such method are way too inefficient as seen in the cavalry battle. The only way to proceed is doing exactly what he's done. But just like Deku, his power has a limit and he slowly gets frozen and slow. Therefore the endurance match between the two.

There is a happy middle ground between "freeze half the stadium" and "throw a frozen spitball". For that matter, he didn't go around using all the ice he could in the cavalry battle either.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

That's because you are using our world logic in an universe that is fundamentally different from ours.

I'd say that applies more to HXH in my example. In many ways, MHA's universe is just our universe, with superpowers. They have a lot of economical and social dynamics that look very much like one would expect them to look in OUR culture. By comparison, for example, children fight to near death in Naruto too, but the Naruto universe obviously has a very different culture from ours.