(L) Freezing [Manga]

[dark44]

Originally Posted by ryuuya

i hope LIM Dall-Young doesn't kill lucy windy teslad and rana =(

even if they are killed there is still casandra she can revive any dead pandora
remmber immortal granny
beside they are all limiterless pandoras thats mean they can work with kazzya

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by Alhazad2003

Spoiler:

According to a partial summary I found on another site, Satellizer pointed out that what Kazuya did saved them. Though Elizabeth and Arnett still felt violated and pressed Kazuya for answers, and the reluctant hero replied that though he felt bad about what he did, he wanted to save everyone. Arnett wasn't soothed though, but Ticy pointed out that Kazuya had boosted them to fight 4 Pandora-Type Novas, and had he not all of them would be dead. Arnett countered that Ticy was only saying it because she wasn't affected, but the Hitman said she was, just not to the same extent. She went on to sat it wasn't time to argue amongst themselves, and that someone needed to get in contact with the control room. It was then that they learned of Rana's situation, and the story basically ends there.

Spoiler for Chapter 197:

Well I'm glad those Novas are all dead, and without little sister bailing them out, impressive. Though undoubtedly Kazuya's much more Nova than human now, possibly double what he was when the story began, or more. Especially if he can discern how much soul energy a Pandora, and how much they're using (and what they look like under their clothes. Sorry, couldn't resist. ^^;.

But now they're about to head off to find Rana, before she, Windy May, Teslad, Lucie, or possibly all of them get killed. And after what we read in the last issue of Freezing Zero, I hope it's not Rana's time to join Luna in the afterlife, that would really suck.

Spoiler for Kazuya's kid sister:

I hope she's not a yandere, I don't think her mother would approve. I know Gengo definitely wouldn't approve of his granddaughter killing everyone between her and Kazuya, nor would Kazuha for that matter. Though I'm hoping it won't be that bad, since she's never met Kazuya before, and we don't know what kind of education she's received from Gengo, is any. Though it'll be very interesting when she makes her grand debut. Until then...

I looked at the raws for Chapter 197 just now, and I saw that:

Spoiler for 197:

At first, Elizabeth, Arnett, and Stella all seem to be going against Kazuya. Then I guess Kazuya says a few things, and Stella starts to defend him. Ticy also tries to defend him, based on the spoiler summary. Towards the end, we see Rana. She seems to be going berserk or something, but I'm not sure how to exactly explain it.

Spoiler for reply to your Chapter 197 spoiler tag:

And yeah, it seems like he can tell how much Soul Energy a Pandora has, as well as how much they've used up. Kazuya's definitely more Nova-like than human because of his Stigmatic Body, but I'm not sure if it's even more Nova-like than when the series started. It's possible that being able to tell how much Soul Energy a Pandora has is part of his overall power that he's always had but which only awakened just now.

Anyway, Ticy was affected by Kazuya's power as well, but not by much? Did he do that intentionally, or was she just slightly out of range of his field of influence or whatever it is?

Spoiler for Kazuya's little sister:

I'm not sure if Gengo's had a chance to talk to her yet. If he has, then yeah, he probably did give her some education and even told her that it's not good for her to go after her older brother with romantic feelings. If he did, I hope she took it to heart and won't try to do anything like that at all, even if she does find out that Kazuya is sort of a siscon for Kazuha.

@Hokoga: Yeah, that would probably happen if she develops feelings for her older brother. But either way, even if she does somehow find out that Kazuya is a siscon for Kazuha, hopefully she won't get in the way of his relationship with Stella (if he and Stella do hook up, which I hope they do).

[batman14]

Yeah, that would probably happen if she develops feelings for her older brother. But either way, even if she does somehow find out that Kazuya is a siscon for Kazuha, hopefully she won't get in the way of his relationship with Stella (if he and Stella do hook up, which I hope they do).[/QUOTE]

I Just cant wait to see what is sister is like but I wouldn't mind a harem ending either that is just me tho haha

[DragonOsman]

Please fix the quotation tags. It's really confusing right now.

But yeah, a Harem ending would be okay, too, but I don't think Kazuya should steal those other Pandora from their Limiters for it. Just the girls who already love him naturally should be fine. We've got Rana, Ouka (that black-haired Valkyrie), and Stella. It's probably not a complete harem, but at least it's something.

[batman14]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Please fix the quotation tags. It's really confusing right now.

But yeah, a Harem ending would be okay, too, but I don't think Kazuya should steal those other Pandora from their Limiters for it. Just the girls who already love him naturally should be fine. We've got Rana, Ouka (that black-haired Valkyrie), and Stella. It's probably not a complete harem, but at least it's something.

I agree with you I not taking anyone from the limiters and I still think one or maybe to the his aunts might join

[Pen3]

Will you have to remember that Pandora are all ready to die any moment to protect the country. About wanting Kazuya to explain or whatever to them, well he has no fucking idea what he did. He doesn't have complete control of the power or the effects, it was just in the heat of the moment thing and it triggers the "Cordinator(Gundam)" powers. It was either use this unknown power up or die.

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

I'm with Kurohane on this one: The Pandora's reaction is to be expected here. He forced them to submit to his will. Yes, he gave them the power to fight the Nova and made them win with his powers, but again, he took away their will to resist him and completely made them bend to his own will. I only hope he knows he did a bad thing, and I also hope that he'll try to make amends here. It'd be good if they can form a team here, still, with Kazuya as the impromptu leader because of his power - maybe he'll use the power only in a way that the actual leader of their group herself (should be a Pandora, hence a girl) commands him to. And of course, that Pandora shouldn't be under the affects of Kazuya's power. Or he could be the real commander, but choose to not use his power on the Pandora at all unless he absolutely has to.

Well he has to know how to control the power first and he used it because it was necessary.

[Alhazad2003]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

I looked at the raws for Chapter 197 just now, and I saw that:

Spoiler for 197:

At first, Elizabeth, Arnett, and Stella all seem to be going against Kazuya. Then I guess Kazuya says a few things, and Stella starts to defend him. Ticy also tries to defend him, based on the spoiler summary. Towards the end, we see Rana. She seems to be going berserk or something, but I'm not sure how to exactly explain it.

Spoiler for Rana:

Basically she's succumbing to the same message that made the LP's go berserk: Destroy everything. And it's the stigmata giving that message. According to Sawatari and Su-Na, the closer a Pandora gets to that ideal, the more powerful they become. So in a sense Rana has become the perfect Pandora, but is this the kind of perfection she wants to strive for? Kazuya would strongly disagree, let's hope he gets to her in time.

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Spoiler for reply to your Chapter 197 spoiler tag:

And yeah, it seems like he can tell how much Soul Energy a Pandora has, as well as how much they've used up. Kazuya's definitely more Nova-like than human because of his Stigmatic Body, but I'm not sure if it's even more Nova-like than when the series started. It's possible that being able to tell how much Soul Energy a Pandora has is part of his overall power that he's always had but which only awakened just now.

Anyway, Ticy was affected by Kazuya's power as well, but not by much? Did he do that intentionally, or was she just slightly out of range of his field of influence or whatever it is?

Spoiler:

According to early chapters his stigma density was continuing to grow as time goes on. I can imagine he's gone way past his original percentage, especially with the new abilities he's developed thanks to Cassandra. The challenge will be keeping his humanity in the face of his growing power.

As for Ticy, she was slightly out of his range, and thus not commandeered like the others. Otherwise she would've been fighting for her "master" as well.

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Spoiler for Kazuya's little sister:

I'm not sure if Gengo's had a chance to talk to her yet. If he has, then yeah, he probably did give her some education and even told her that it's not good for her to go after her older brother with romantic feelings. If he did, I hope she took it to heart and won't try to do anything like that at all, even if she does find out that Kazuya is sort of a siscon for Kazuha.

Spoiler:

Hrm, I dunno, Gengo's the same man who arranged for his son to make babies with his sisters "for the good of humanity." I'm hoping he's sincere about letting Kazuya have Satellizer instead of little sister, lest another Kazuya-Gengo verbal spat erupt. Though I guess, we can only wait and see.

[amtro]

Can you all please stop posting non-spoilers in the spoiler tags? It's bloody annoying to have to read speculation posts instead of actual spoilers.

[Alhazad2003]

Originally Posted by amtro

Can you all please stop posting non-spoilers in the spoiler tags? It's bloody annoying to have to read speculation posts instead of actual spoilers.

I'm sorry if you're so annoyed by it, but since it's speculation about what just happened in untranslated chapters, they're essentially spoiler material, so they need to be tagged as such. I get more annoyed when people brazenly post spoiler material without tags for all to see, and I'm sure a lot of other people do too.

As for the main story, Chapter 25 of Freezing Zero is finally out, starting the Cassie Lockheart arc. Man, I really feel sorry for her as I read this chapter, she's definitely a reluctant heroine, pressured into being something she didn't want to be. And it ends with the start of the infamous Levon Brooks incident, and her fateful battle with Satellizer. Can't wait for it.

[DragonOsman]

I don't remember the incident at all, so someone will have to remind me.

Anyway, yeah, we're speculating things concerning what happened in untranslated chapters. I think it's more sensible to put them in spoiler tags than to not do so.

Speaking of the ideal Pandora, though, um, what kind of ideal are we talking about, exactly? I'm sorry about being lost here.

Gengo only wanted Kazuya to get with Ouka, whom I think is Kazuya's cousin. That should be fine, although Kazuya himself wants to be with Stella, which is why he went against the idea. And at least for now, Gengo seems to have agreed. I think he's sincere, too, as I think the main reason he wanted to have Ryuuichi go with Cassandra was that she's a Pandora, and Kazuya would've been better off being in her womb from the beginning. He did reject Orie which was why they had to move him to Cassandra. In Stella's case, they have nothing to worry about because she's a Pandora herself.

[Alhazad2003]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

I don't remember the incident at all, so someone will have to remind me.

Anyway, yeah, we're speculating things concerning what happened in untranslated chapters. I think it's more sensible to put them in spoiler tags than to not do so.

Speaking of the ideal Pandora, though, um, what kind of ideal are we talking about, exactly? I'm sorry about being lost here.

Gengo only wanted Kazuya to get with Ouka, whom I think is Kazuya's cousin. That should be fine, although Kazuya himself wants to be with Stella, which is why he went against the idea. And at least for now, Gengo seems to have agreed. I think he's sincere, too, as I think the main reason he wanted to have Ryuuichi go with Cassandra was that she's a Pandora, and Kazuya would've been better off being in her womb from the beginning. He did reject Orie which was why they had to move him to Cassandra. In Stella's case, they have nothing to worry about because she's a Pandora herself.

The incident was back when Satellizer was a freshman in East Genetics, and was approached by "playboy" Limiter Levon Brooks, whom sought to perform a baptism with her. Though when he touched her, she went berserk and mauled Brooks, along with several Pandoras who tried to stop her. Cassie came to stop her, though no matter how many times she dropped Satellizer to the floor, her opponent refused to yield, which actually frightened Cassie. A group of third years came and they succeeded where Cassie failed. Said incident made the supposed "savior" realize how cowardly she was, and essentially got Satellizer transferred to West Genetics, where she had to repeat first year.

It's after Sawatari has been defeated by Su-Na, where she states she realized the true nature of stigmata, and the message they relayed to their Pandora hosts: destroy everything. And that a Pandora who strives towards that ideal becomes stronger, essentially saying the ideal Pandora is a remorseless killing machine, like what Rana has just become, and the LP's before her.

Consider how dubious Gengo was of Orie being with his son, it makes me wonder what he was thinking allowing Ouka to become Kazuya's fiance. And considering how much he approves of Satellizer, it makes me wonder if he was ever serious of giving Kazuya to Ouka in the first place. I'm sure he still remembers what became of Orie, and should warn Ouka of what might happen if she did wed Kazuya.

More than that, she was a Legendary Pandora, far more Nova than human. And while Satellizer isn't anywhere near that, she's still transcended humanity in a sense. So yes, she should be able to bear his children, when the time is right.

[nooneagain]

well, I have a feeling that the ntr-ish chapter was a foreshadowing of an actual NTR harem.

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by Alhazad2003

The inceident was back when Satellizer was a freshman in East Genetics, and was approached by "playboy" Limiter Levon Brooks, whom sought to perform a baptism with her. Though when he touched her, she went berserk and mauled Brooks, along with several Pandoras who tried to stop her. Cassie came to stop her, though no matter how many times she dropped Satellizer to the floor, her opponent refused to yield, which actually frightened Cassie. A group of third years came and they succeeded where Cassie failed. Said incident made the supposed "savior" realize how cowardly she was, and essentially got Satellizer transferred to West Genetics, where she had to repeat first year.

It's after Sawatari has been defeated by Su-Na, where she states she realized the true nature of stigmata, and the message they relayed to their Pandora hosts: destroy everything. And that a Pandora who strives towards that ideal becomes stronger, essentially saying the ideal Pandora is a remorseless killing machine, like what Rana has just become, and the LP's before her.

Consider how dubious of Orie being with his son, it makes me wonder what he was thinking allowing Ouka to become Kazuya's fiance. And considering how much he approves of Satellizer, it makes me wonder if he was ever serious of giving Kazuya to Ouka in the first place. I'm sure he still remembers what became of Orie, and should warn Ouka of what might happen if she did wed Kazuya.

More than that, she was a Legendary Pandora, far more Nova than human. And while Satellizer isn't anywhere near that, she's still transcended humanity in a sense. So yes, she should be able to bear his children, when the time is right.

Thanks for the clarification on that "incident". But to just so I can understand it better, who is the supposed "savior" you're referring to? Cassie, or one of the third-years who came to help Cassie?

And yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember Sawatari saying that that's what the "ideal Pandora" is. So yeah, I hope Rana doesn't permanently become that way because Kazuya would definitely hate it if she did.

I guess you're right about Ouka, as she's a Valkyrie and not an actual Pandora. I really would like to know what Gengo was thinking when he made her Kazuya's fiancée. I'm pretty sure she would've had the same fate as Orie if she'd married Kazuya (other than the part where she was killed by her own daughter, I guess - hopefully).

Stella may not be a Legendary Pandora, but she's still a Transcendent Pandora (I think that's the term, rather than "transcendent human" - after all, the Pandora are already more powerful than a human). And if I understood the raws and spoilers correctly, didn't Kazuya's ability push her transcendence even further? The ones who were regular Pandora became Transcendent one, and since Stella was already Transcendent, she probably gained another level of transcendence; kind of like Super Sayian 3 or Super Saiyan God after Ascended Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2.

[Alhazad2003]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Thanks for the clarification on that "incident". But to just so I can understand it better, who is the supposed "savior" you're referring to? Cassie, or one of the third-years who came to help Cassie?

And yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember Sawatari saying that that's what the "ideal Pandora" is. So yeah, I hope Rana doesn't permanently become that way because Kazuya would definitely hate it if she did.

I guess you're right about Ouka, as she's a Valkyrie and not an actual Pandora. I really would like to know what Gengo was thinking when he made her Kazuya's fiancée. I'm pretty sure she would've had the same fate as Orie if she'd married Kazuya (other than the part where she was killed by her own daughter, I guess - hopefully).

Stella may not be a Legendary Pandora, but she's still a Transcendent Pandora (I think that's the term, rather than "transcendent human" - after all, the Pandora are already more powerful than a human). And if I understood the raws and spoilers correctly, didn't Kazuya's ability push her transcendence even further? The ones who were regular Pandora became Transcendent one, and since Stella was already Transcendent, she probably gained another level of transcendence; kind of like Super Sayian 3 or Super Saiyan God after Ascended Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2.

I meant Cassie, who was touted as behind the new "savior of humanity," something she didn't desire by any means. People around her always talked about the great things she would do for Pandoras and the world, yet none so much as inquired about what she wanted, which as we saw in the first chapter of her arc, frustrated her to no end.

Yeah, let's hope Kazuya can stop Rana before she and the other LP's kill each other. That would be a really bittersweet ending.

I wish I knew, it was before Satellizer came into the picture so he must've been serious about the arrangement, yet it seems he's failed to tell Ouka he prefers Satellizer to be with his grandson, devious old man he is. Yeah, it would suck if Ouka met Orie's fate, and I'm certain Kazuya himself would warn her next time he sees her again.

Hrm, I sort of doubt it's a permanent power-up, though yes she is still a Transcendent Pandora, one who has surpassed the limits of normal Pandoras, so she'd be even more valuable to Kazuya (and Gengo) now. He shouldn't have any problem with her marrying Kazuya, not sure how Ouka will take his development, can't wait to find out.

[ryuuya]

still waiting for Satellizer to become a legendary pandora same as kazuya's aunt

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by ryuuya

still waiting for Satellizer to become a legendary pandora same as kazuya's aunt

Legendary pandora is not the rank

[ryuuya]

@ChuckE just imagine you can do all the high end skill as if its was nothing

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by Alhazad2003

I meant Cassie, who was touted as behind the new "savior of humanity," something she didn't desire by any means. She always talked about the great things she would do Pandoras and the world, yet none so much as inquired about what she wanted, which as we saw in the first chapter of her arc, frustrated her to no end.

Yeah, let's hope Kazuya can stop Rana before she and the other LP's kill each other. That would be a really bittersweet ending.

I wish I knew, it was before Satellizer came into the picture so he must've been serious about the arrangement, yet it seems he's failed to tell Ouka he prefers Satellizer to be with his grandson, devious old man he is. Yeah, it would suck if Ouka met Orie's fate, and I'm certain Kazuya himself would warn her next time he sees her again.

Hrm, I sort of doubt it's a permanent power-up, though yes she is still a Transcendent Pandora, one who has surpassed the limits of normal Pandoras, so she'd be even more valuable to Kazuya (and Gengo) now. He shouldn't have any problem with her marrying Kazuya, not sure how Ouka will take his development, can't wait to find out.

Yeah, thanks for telling me. Indeed, it's sad how Cassie had to suffer because of her family and power forcing her to be a savior when she didn't want to be. So she and Stella will become friends before Stella gets transferred to West Genetics?

I agree here; that ending wouldn't be good.

I don't know. I mean, would he really tell her? Would really get the chance to?

The power-up probably is permanent. Or at least, I hope it is. Otherwise, would have to raise their power every time he uses his ability on them?

[Alhazad2003]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Yeah, thanks for telling me. Indeed, it's sad how Cassie had to suffer because of her family and power forcing her to be a savior when she didn't want to be. So she and Stella will become friends before Stella gets transferred to West Genetics?

I agree here; that ending wouldn't be good.

I don't know. I mean, would he really tell her? Would really get the chance to?

The power-up probably is permanent. Or at least, I hope it is. Otherwise, would have to raise their power every time he uses his ability on them?

Not quite, Cassie never saw Satellizer again until the 10th Nova Clash, when they fought one another as Nova Form Pandoras.

Spoiler for Rana:

No doubt, and with her asking Luna if this is how she felt, giving her self completely to the "Tears of Kunlun," I am fearing a death flag has just been raised for poor Rana. Not good, not good at all.

Spoiler for Kazuya and Ouka:

I certainly hope so, unless Gengo tells him to keep silent about it. But Ouka has a right to know what happened to her aunt, Gengo keeps way too many secrets, and his family has suffered because of it.

Spoiler for Kazuya has the power!:

He might have to, since it's similar to what the Pandora-Type Nova in the 12th Clash did to Roxanne. Ticy's was permanent because Chiffon gave it to her, and let her go free. Kazuya controlled Satellizer, Arnett, and Elizabeth like puppets, just like Roxanne was, so I doubt they still have that extra oomph if you will. But we'll see.

[DragonOsman]

Stella fought her in Pandora Form? Was she a Pandora-type Nova when Stella fought her?

If a death-flag has been raised for her, that'd suck. If she does die, hopefully it won't be in vain. Otherwise, she just shouldn't die here at this point.

Yep, Gengo does keep way too many secrets. Even from his own family. He has to stop that.

Well, yeah, but I just hope the power is permanent. Stella is already a Transcendent, so Kazuya's power would just have made her a level two Transcendent or something, which I'd like if it were permanent. If the power-up is permanent, she's forever a level two Transcendent, and the other Pandora are level one types. But yeah, as for whether it's permanent or not, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

But it's probably for the best if it's not permanent, especially if the ability gives a power-up automatically whenever used on a Pandora. How much can their power be raised before they experience a power overload? Stella should try to train to reach the next level of Transcendence. It'd be good if she can reach that level of power on her own, ditto for the other Pandora.