Nanoha Cross-over Discussion Thread

[bhl88]

The weakness being that it's limited to his right hand alone.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

I wonder how can you soulfuck someone whose soul is already fucked, and the ones tried fight without looking aren't Curren Huckebein xD

Actually, that's the entire point of Pennance Stare. It burns your soul with the evil you've commited.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

It's "Anything supernatural", be it psychic or magic, but it's depiction on how far it works is a bit... odd.

There's a more detailed revelation in the very recent volume, but for simplicity sake this is about it.

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

But for all intents and purposes yeah, he could tank a Starlight Breaker and yeah, he'd probably make some poor girl's barrier jacket explode.

Rather than tank Starlight Breaker class spells outright, recently he learned to alter their trajectory... Less painful.

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Yeah, because there was still one more source remaining: Stiyl. But for him, he'd have to actively summon Innocentus again, and there was no way that was going to happen before Touma knocked his block off.

One other thing to consider is that Innocentius is not a sentient being- We don't know what would happen to the memories and personalities of the Wolkenritter if they get 'destroyed'.

Even if you can regenerate them, there's a possibility that they might not be the same person.... After all, there's a reason why even Archangels fear it.

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Ah, alright.

Does Touma ever use ingenuity like that again in the series, or is it just more of him winning with DETERMINATION, like he did with the reality warping guy? Stopped watching after that.

Sometimes; usually against enemies that his Imagine Breaker are useless against.

Like normal terrorists hijacking a commercial plane, or a small army of Russians.

Originally Posted by bhl88

The weakness being that it's limited to his right hand alone.

That being said, his right hand seems to have the uncanny ability to always be at the right place at the right time

[Sunder the Gold]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Touma's Imagine Breaker did in fact destroy Innocentus, the problem is that the runes continually remade and maintained it, so no matter how much he destroyed it it'd regenerate. So it'd hold true on the Wolkenritter... so long as this hypothetical battle took place before Reinforce sacrificed herself to destroy the Book of Darkness for good.

Before she did that, she implanted the Guardian Knight program into Hayate. Without Reinforce, it will degrade over time, but until then the knights heal faster and resurrect when killed.

And given that they were always the same people each time the book resurrected them before, even with the memories of their last incarnation up to the moment of their last death, I dont think they'd have to fear Imagine Breaker erasing them. Not unless they get broken around StrikerS or after.

If Touma touches Hayate, though... Game over.

[bhl88]

Right hand gropes Hayate's chest.

Shamal ties Touma up before Signum and Vita beat him up. Dead end.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by bhl88

Right hand gropes Hayate's chest.

Shamal ties Touma up before Signum and Vita beat him up. Dead end.

Shamal will have a hard time doing that as Klarerwind's threads will dissolve instantly upon contact with Touma xDU

...a better way could be to friendly offer him some home made (by her) cookies and wait for them to knock him out, then tie him up with a strong pysical lazo and then let the ladies to punish him.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Shamal will have a hard time doing that as Klarerwind's threads will dissolve instantly upon contact with Touma xDU

...a better way could be to friendly offer him some home made (by her) cookies and wait for them to knock him out, then tie him up with a strong pysical lazo and then let the ladies to punish him.

Only if they come in contact with his right hand. Anywhere else on his body is free game. Usually.

And that's assuming you can get Touma to eat Shamal's cooking before Index swipes it.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Only if they come in contact with his right hand. Anywhere else on his body is free game. Usually.

The first season nof Index isn't pretty accurate about that, sometimes magical effects who aren't even physical fail to affect Touma juse ..because xDU

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And that's assuming you can get Touma to eat Shamal's cooking before Index swipes it.

Ow... poor Index xDU

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

The first season nof Index isn't pretty accurate about that, sometimes magical effects who aren't even physical fail to affect Touma juse ..because xDU

Like I said, "usually". From what I gather, if it's an all-encompassing/wave-like effect that would swallow his body, the hand will negate it. I.E. Kuroko's teleportation (would affect his whole body), the girl who tries to communicate to him, Hyouka, and Index in the Hyouka arc (which was apparently sound waves over the air and not telepathy, according to the novels). But yeah, the anime and the novels both are a little vague and inconsistent on how it works.

That said, since Klarerwind's strands are just that, strands, I think it can safely touch and bind Touma's body so long as it doesn't touch his right hand.

[Sunder the Gold]

The one time I saw Kuroko try to teleport him, she began by grabbing his hand to make it easier.

I never checked, but I'm pretty sure she grabbed the wrong hand, thus why her power was cancelled.

[Keroko]

Shoulder, I believe. Regardless, it's been pretty consistent that any power that directly affects the full body at once will not affect Touma. Klarer wind will still work, since it doesn't affect his entire body. It's just magical rope.

[Rising Dragon]

Yeah, she touched his left shoulder and it still failed.

[Sunder the Gold]

So, I'm having trouble with the Accel World crossover.

Basically, is Yuuno more of a Yellow (Indirect Combatant), whose powers revolve around percieving his opponent's locations and capabilities?

Or is he more of a Green (Indirect + Close Combat), whose powers revolve around capture, defense and direct engagement?


This actually relates to a recurring a question about Yuuno's character. Namely, which is more important to him: The Book or the Shield?

If he absolutely had to choose, would Yuuno make of himself a frail scholar who could only defend his friends by warning them and dying to take a single shot meant for them?

Or would he make of himself a guardian who could only look for the answers he desires through long, hard work?


So far, Yuuno's proving more difficult to transplant into Accel World's future version of Tokyo than Fate Testarossa. Because we at least knew and understood more about Fate from the original show. Yuuno's more of a blank sheet.

[Rising Dragon]

Not familiar with Accel World, but these colors are mainly just determined by combat abilities rather than personality, right? If so I'd say he fits more as a Green.

[Sansker]

I have been watching Accel World and I still don't get that of the colors at all.

[Sunder the Gold]

Originally Posted by Sansker

I have been watching Accel World and I still don't get that of the colors at all.

http://accelworld.wikia.com/wiki/Fil...sformation.PNG

Unfortunately, for some reason the Wiki doesn't have the more detailed picture anymore, but this picture covers the basics.

Except "Jamming" is too specific, and doesn't really cover the broad range of Yellow tricks.

Spoiler for Color Break-Down:

Blue is the color of physically powerful close range combatants (fists and swords and such), Red is the color of long range combatants, and Yellow is the color of tricksters.

Purple and Green, being half blue, are physically weaker than Blue but stronger than others. This allows them to fight better at close range.

Purple balances that with long range attacks, and Green balances that with tricks. The Green King is not just so tough he's called The Invulnerable, he's also got a revenge trick called Double Payback.

The Purple King is a thunder goddess; doesn't have the insane range of the Red King, but she can blast people a fair distance away, and employ the same powers for close-range defense -- and with a lot more physical agility than the Red King.


Orange (Red + Yellow) is the color which gets the least amount of attention; doesn't even have a King to represent it. Nevertheless, it's the color of stealthy, sneaky snipers and trappers.

Amber Penguin had a sniper rifle with a trick to certainly hit if the enemy focused on the muzzle of his gun rather than himself. Rust Jigsaw set invisible razor-wire traps to hide behind while throwing hard-to-see saw blades at people.


White is the "average and unspecialized" color (being in the center). Black seems to be the "weak but weird" color (being outside the circle).


Metallic Colors exist on a linear scale of their own, with precious metals on one end and non-precious metals on the other. Precious metals are immune to many varying status effects, and the others are more resistant to physical damage

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Not familiar with Accel World, but these colors are mainly just determined by combat abilities rather than personality, right? If so I'd say he fits more as a Green.

The avatar is generated based on the game's analysis of the nightmare it induces in new players. The powers are definitely based on personality as much or more than skills. (A kendo player gets a PILE DRIVER for a weapon rather than a sword, because he feared thrusting attacks to his throat and dreamed of stabbing his tormentors in the throat as revenge.)

The protagonist of the show, Haruyuki, could have had an Orange character representing his FPS mastery and preferrence for clever, tactical victories. Instead, he got Silver Crow, who is a predictable hit-and-run close combatant without a single ranged attack.


Moreover, the Accel World game is different from the basic assumptions of the Nanohaverse. No one flies except Silver Crow (unless they're high-level players who focused everything they had into a jetpack, which even then is not equal to Level 1 Silver Crow's wings). Very few people have energy shields, and not everyone has a bullet attack of some kind.

Further, "scanning magic" could do more in this game than in Nanoha's world. Reveal someone's move list and item menu, for one thing.

Yuuno's name is Scryer, and he's an archaeologist. Compared to protecting his friends, how important is learning history and secrets to him?


If Green, Yuuno's truest desire is to help people, and archaeology is just one of his methods, rather than the central goal unto itself.

[Sansker]

I get it now thanks

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Yuuno's name is Scryer, and he's an archaeologist. Compared to protecting his friends, how important is learning history and secrets to him?

If Green, Yuuno's truest desire is to help people, and archaeology is just one of his methods, rather than the central goal unto itself.

The way I see it, this is most likely to be the case.

[Sunder the Gold]

So his greatest fear is being unable to defend his friends from physical harm?

...Huh. That would actually fit him very well. Especially if he's a scrawny smart kid getting bullied by bigger kids.


Great. Now, to figure out who his "Parent" is, why he gained their notice, why they decided to make him a Burst Linker, what Legion they belonged to, and what happened to them.

...*headdesk*

This isn't even going into my lack of knowledge about Tokyo urban geography and culture, which is a bit important since Legion territories are important.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

So his greatest fear is being unable to defend his friends from physical harm?

...Huh. That would actually fit him very well. Especially if he's a scrawny smart kid getting bullied by bigger kids.


Great. Now, to figure out who his "Parent" is, why he gained their notice, why they decided to make him a Burst Linker, what Legion they belonged to, and what happened to them.

...*headdesk*

This isn't even going into my lack of knowledge about Tokyo urban geography and culture, which is a bit important since Legion territories are important.

Conveniently an Orphan. Leave his past a bit mysterious like that.