Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[Narona]

Well, it's january 13th and we still not got any infos/scans from the new magazines (or i missed the infos :/ If i did, please give me a link), at least here... Did someone know if there are some infos/scans posted in the japanese forums like 2ch?

[Frostfire]

Originally Posted by Narona

Well, it's january 13th and we still not got any infos/scans from the new magazines (or i missed the infos :/ If i did, please give me a link), at least here... Did someone know if there are some infos/scans posted in the japanese forums like 2ch?

From what I understand, there simply was very, very little Code Geass in the magazines.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Frostfire

From what I understand, there simply was very, very little Code Geass in the magazines.

Not even some drawings like every months?

Anyways, thanks.

[Charred Knight]

Considering that the previous announcement was "We want to do something" I am pretty sure an announcement isn't going to be made for quite some months.

[Frostfire]

Originally Posted by Narona

Not even some drawings like every months?

Anyways, thanks.

I think we got most of it, the cover and some little pictures. Beyond that I do not think there was much else. Its been a while since CG ended, so it makes sense.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Considering that the previous announcement was "We want to do something" I am pretty sure an announcement isn't going to be made for quite some months.

Well, I wasn't expecting any announcement , just some little infos/interview/anecdotes here and there + some drawings

[Pink-chan]

I saw this piece of news on the LJ regarding PD 7 thanks to aya kari.

１.イラストドラマ０７（脚本：吉野弘幸／作画：千羽由利子／監修：谷口悟朗）
※ルルーシュとロロが兄弟として過ごしていられた時間＝それは、ほんの一時の幻。それは、かけがえのない永 遠にも等しい時間。
The time that Lelouch and Rolo spent together as brothers=that, is only a short time. That, is the same as an irreplaceable eternity.

Will this be Rolo's POV on his thoughts and resolution when he was thrown out by Lelouch reflecting in one corner?

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

I saw this piece of news on the LJ regarding PD 7 thanks to aya kari.

Will this be Rolo's POV on his thoughts and resolution when he was thrown out by Lelouch reflecting in one corner?

Or maybe it's about Rolo and Lelouch POV. I am not sure that Lelouch still hated him to death after that Rolo's saved him. Lelouch understood Rolo, I think. Also, Lelouch is not an idiot and knew that he was partly responsible of all the sh** that happened.

[Pink-chan]

Yeah, Rolo was acknowledged by Lelouch as brother of Lelouch Lamperouge after all. I don't think Lelouch hated him to the core. Perhaps, it could occur when Lelouch dug his grave. PD7 is coming soon. It wouldn't be too long a wait.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

Yeah, Rolo was acknowledged by Lelouch as brother of Lelouch Lamperouge after all. I don't think Lelouch hated him to the core. Perhaps, it could occur when Lelouch dug his grave. PD7 is coming soon. It wouldn't be too long a wait.

It's my personnal opinion, but in the end, I think Lelouch didn't hate a lot of people. He made up with Suzaku, he acknowledged Rolo as his "lamperouge" brother. And I am even not sure that he hated Ougi and co. About that last point, not only Lelouch forgave them imo, since we can see Gino, Kallen, Nina etc etc at Ougi and Villetta's wedding.

Or they are completely stupid to attend (and smile at) the marriage of people they dislike/hate.

[Pink-chan]

I wonder how people of the separated group, not even related with one another to come together? Like how Rivalz acquainted with Ohgi and co. perhaps through Kallen. Like you said why are they even at the wedding? Are they gathered together as the hatred are all directed at Lelouch? Everyone hates the same guy and they have that as their common topic

Yeah, I don't think Lelouch hate them. He knew everyone was fighting for their future and he gave them one. It is just sad that Ohgi and co betrayed him. Lelouch didn't even use his Geass on them for his purpose. Lelouch seems to be reproaching himself for what had happened due to his action. Lelouch wished for happiness for everyone and he sacrifice his own happiness for them. If Lelouch hates them, he wouldn't have done what he had.

I don't know if Lelouch and Suzaku had really made up despite their interaction in the Mutuality stories. Their bonds had exceeded the level of friendship. Does Suzaku really know about Lelouch's accidental geassing on Euphie? Lelouch isn't the type who will bother to explain. What was done was done, no point explaining. Suzaku probably understand this side of Lelouch despite wanting to know the truth. They finally reached a common ground, there is no more words needed between them. They had understood each other completely.

[Levy]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

I wonder how people of the separated group, not even related with one another to come together? Like how Rivalz acquainted with Ohgi and co. perhaps through Kallen. Like you said why are they even at the wedding? Are they gathered together as the hatred are all directed at Lelouch? Everyone hates the same guy and they have that as their common topic

One of the nicest part of Code was for me te message of hope, the diffidence and hatred that was previously preventing people from the japanese and britannian side to even get to know each other that Lelouch's tyranny and death blow away. Might be a Disney movie ending and such, but I personally liked that and the message in it.

Rivalz and Milly were at Villetta's wedding because she has been their teacher, like Lloyd and Cécile were there because she was an acquaintance of them from school. Villetta happened to marry Ohgi, and there the britannians met also with the rest of the BK gang....

If you have a sad memory of yours, you do not wave that in pubblic. I doubt Rivalz and Milly waved the sadness of having lost their dear friend at Ohgi and Villetta's wedding. Instead, they just learn to know some people, the japanese, they did not even had a chance to met in the everyday life of old Area11 and learn, apparently, to get along well with them.

the rest of your post I mostly agree with, and I guess Suzaku and Lelouch had silently made up before the last stage of ZR.

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by Levy

One of the nicest part of Code was for me te message of hope, the diffidence and hatred that was previously preventing people from the japanese and britannian side to even get to know each other that Lelouch's tyranny and death blow away. Might be a Disney movie ending and such, but I personally liked that and the message in it.

Rivalz and Milly were at Villetta's wedding because she has been their teacher, like Lloyd and Cécile were there because she was an acquaitance of them from school. Villetta happened to marry Ohgi, and there the britannias met also with the rest of the BK gang....

If you have a sad memory of yours, you do not wave that in pubblic. I doubt Rivalz and Milly most probably wave the sadness of having lost their dear friend at Ohgi and Villetta's wedding. Instead, they just learn to know some people, the japanese, they did not even had a chance to met in the everyday life of old Area11and learn, and apparently get along well with them.

the rest of your post I mostly agree with, and I guess Suzaku and Lelouch had silently made up before the last stage of ZR.

Aha! I guess I'm really too tired to think. I totally forgotten that Viletta was their teacher . Rivalz and Tamaki will certainly get along.

[Eliarine]

Originally Posted by Narona

It's my personnal opinion, but in the end, I think Lelouch didn't hate a lot of people. He made up with Suzaku, he acknowledged Rolo as his "lamperouge" brother. And I am even not sure that he hated Ougi and co. About that last point, not only Lelouch forgave them imo, since we can see Gino, Kallen, Nina etc etc at Ougi and Villetta's wedding.

I completely agree. Lelouch really didn't hate a lot of people in the end.

Originally Posted by Levy

One of the nicest part of Code was for me te message of hope, the diffidence and hatred that was previously preventing people from the japanese and britannian side to even get to know each other that Lelouch's tyranny and death blow away. Might be a Disney movie ending and such, but I personally liked that and the message in it.

Y-Yes. This.

Originally Posted by Levy

the rest of your post I mostly agree with, and I guess Suzaku and Lelouch had silently made up before the last stage of ZR.

I-I guess they did, too. And, and...brb, crying ;_;

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

I wonder how people of the separated group, not even related with one another to come together? Like how Rivalz acquainted with Ohgi and co. perhaps through Kallen. Like you said why are they even at the wedding? Are they gathered together as the hatred are all directed at Lelouch? Everyone hates the same guy and they have that as their common topic

I think they enjoy the peace, more than discussing Lelouch's actions ^^, and as pointed by Levy, Villetta was the teacher of the Ashford gang

Yeah, I don't think Lelouch hate them. He knew everyone was fighting for their future and he gave them one. It is just sad that Ohgi and co betrayed him. Lelouch didn't even use his Geass on them for his purpose. Lelouch seems to be reproaching himself for what had happened due to his action. Lelouch wished for happiness for everyone and he sacrifice his own happiness for them. If Lelouch hates them, he wouldn't have done what he had.

Exactly. For a change, happy to see at least one person agreeing with me on that matter

I don't know if Lelouch and Suzaku had really made up despite their interaction in the Mutuality stories. Their bonds had exceeded the level of friendship. Does Suzaku really know about Lelouch's accidental geassing on Euphie? Lelouch isn't the type who will bother to explain. What was done was done, no point explaining. Suzaku probably understand this side of Lelouch despite wanting to know the truth. They finally reached a common ground, there is no more words needed between them. They had understood each other completely.

You might be right. Whatever the reason, the one who shot Euphie is Lelouch so it would not have changed anything ^^

[blottyparchment]

More poems from the Complete Best. These translations are still far from perfect, but feel free to point out any odd lines you might find. I am still revising them. I can't provide scans just yet, as I'm still asking permission from pink-chan. Thanks pink-chan.

Pink-chan did Suzaku's poem. I only modified it a bit.

Spoiler for World End - Suzaku:

World End - Suzaku

The Emperor intended to end the world through supernatural powers. It is ironic that we, who stopped him, let the world end in another form.

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

A new world is born from the ruins of the world we destroyed.
The stagnant world comes to a stop,
and here is the world that continues to change.
The world we obtained at the cost of our lives.

It's a mystery.
I myself have become a villain to bring about peace.
I did it for Japan's sake.
Protecting Nunnally. That is something you would do.

It's a strange thing.
If there were no lies between us from the first moment up to the last, our days at school would have been the happiest.

I can no longer cry, no longer laugh and yet,
I think that the time will come when nobody will quarrel nor will they cry and scream.
But it's not that simple. (2)
Somewhere, someone is lamenting, no doubt. Because of that, the conflicts will continue.

I think it's fine like that.
To want to stop the crying.
For that sake, you fight, that is, for a gentle world.　(3)
And because you are crude, you call it a "Rebellion".

Lelouch, do the winds from the ever changing world reach you too?

(1) The exact Japanese line is: From the ruins of the world we destroyed, a new world is born.
(2) The exact line in Japanese says something like, 'It won't do' or 'It cannot be so'.
(3) Exact line: For that sake, you fight. That is, a gentle world.

Spoiler for O2 - Shirley:

O2 - Shirley

Morning and night, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

Spoiler for Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally:

Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally

I have been thinking about the many things that you have given me.

They can't be counted on my fingers,
for each and every one that I count, a stone is left.
Lining them up, the stones can be pieced together into a mosaic.
But, I will not do that.
I don't want to. (1)
I will continue to count them piece by piece, always remembering their shape, their color and their touch. (2)

Even these dreams, that kindness, our rendezvous, those lies, mistakes....
Even that voice, the warmth in those hands that grasped mine, even the loneliness, the twistedness, the pain in my chest.
Even that silence.
Even those eyes.

Everything, I will hold dear.

Even if you had not given me many things,
I could not give you anything in return.
You gave me everyhing and you ended up leaving.

In those happy days,
we did not even say "Thank you" nor "I'm sorry" between us.
Those words would only invoke sadness. Your heart would grow far away.
Just like that, you were myself, and I was you.

However, that day,
the words you have told me still remains in my ears.
You didn't even let me reply.
That's why, while hearing your voice ringing in my ear, I will answer you from the bottom of my heart.

I love you too. (3)

(1) Lit.: I do not want to bring them (stones) together.
(1) Lit.: One by one, I will continue to count them; their shape, color, and touch, I will continue to feel throughout.
(1) Breaken up into two sentences in the original japanese: Aishiteru. Anata wo. (I love. You.)

This poem sounds creepily incestuous. And for those who are wondering, Nunnally doesn't use oniisama or 'Lelouch' anywhere in the poem. She addresses Lelouch anata 'you' all throughout. It's almost in the tone of a woman adressing a dearly beloved man, arguably a lover.

The line about 'piecing together a mosaic' seems to have been inspired by the song, Mosaic Kakera, itself.

Spoiler for Waga Routashi Aku no Hana - C.C.:

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.

Before everything began, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by your subordinates.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely. (?)
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.

The only line I am really unsure of is,
'Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely.'
(今、私は、いたいたしすぎるがゆえに愛しい。)

Anyone here who can help me?

C.C.'s poem is quite cryptic and as dec said, deep. Some 2chers get the idea that C.C. is indirectly referring to Lelouch as 'My Lelouch' because C.C. refers to Lelouch as an elegent flower = My Elegant Flower of Evil = My Lelouch. Also, some 2chers are unsatisfied with her poem for certain reasons.

Rolo's poem has already been translated on lj. Other poems like Kaguya's, Charles-V.V.'s, and Milly-Rivalz' are soon to follow.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

poems that blotty provided etc.etc.etc.

Thanks a million blotty and whoever helped you or something.
Interesting poems and man, Shirley's line about the glass, was really epic ~
Suzaku's was great as well, Nunally's did not touch me to be honest {as for "incest", can't blame her, she saw her sexy brother all grown up after so many years |DDDD} like i expected and C.C's was..peculiar. Have to re-read them again ~

[though i wish there was a bit of more romance somewhere, but lol]

[blottyparchment]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

Thanks a million blotty and whoever helped you or something.
Interesting poems and man, Shirley's line about the glass, was really epic ~
Suzaku's was great as well, Nunally's did not touch me to be honest {as for "incest", can't blame her, she saw her sexy brother all grown up after so many years |DDDD} like i expected and C.C's was..peculiar. Have to re-read them again ~

[though i wish there was a bit of more romance somewhere, but lol]

I actually liked Nunnally's poem. LOL, maybe I didn't do it enough justice? The bit about cherishing everything dearly. Yes, C.C.'s poem is almost dark, which is why I can see how some 2chers are complaining.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

Spoiler for O2 - Shirley:

O2 - Shirley

In the morning and even in the evening, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

*sniff* Beautiful ...Shirley

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Narona

You might be right. Whatever the reason, the one who shot Euphie is Lelouch so it would not have changed anything ^^

Except of course whether Suzaku came to know that Lelouch actually intended to cooperate with Euphie, and that the Geass was accidental. In other words, that Lelouch held her as close to his heart as Suzaku did.

Thanks for the translations, blottyparchment.