2013-03-06, 19:19 | Link #1 |
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The Sabah Conflicts
This thread will discuss primarily regarding the conflict that is happening in Sabah between the Malaysia and the Royal Army of the Sultan of Jolo that began on late February when an alleged 200 armed group of the RASJ appeared and camped in Lahud Datu, Sabah.
If I'm not mistaking, the initial objective of the RASJ was the right to settle in Sabah believing they have the right to do so since they "own" the property in the first place and that Malaysia is paying them P75 thousand per year when the fact is that the area is earning $75 billion per year. The bloody conflicted started when both group claims that the other started the firing. Currently, 41 is said to have died in both sides with Lahud Datu captured by Malaysia. The RASJ continues to resist in areas inside Sabah. The Philippines request "maximum tolerance" from Malaysia for negotiations to continue but based on the news, its seems Malaysia has no plans of negotiating claiming that Malaysia is just protecting it's country. Meanwhile, the brother of Sultan Jalul Kiram III swear never to surrender and demand that UN intervene. For the background of the conflict, North Borneo Conflict, 2013 Lahad Datu standoff NOTE: Avoid flaming. Thank you. Subjected for furthur edition, by concern MOD or thread starter. Last edited by NoemiChan; 2013-03-06 at 23:29. |
2013-03-06, 22:52 | Link #4 | |
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Muslims in Mindanao is not that united in IMHO, MILF is composed of Maranaos and Maguindanaos of Eastern Mindanao only. They forgot the MNLF, who represents the major tribe in Western Mindanao, our kinsmen the Tausugs where the Sultan supposedly the head. The two faction is like Russian and US having a Cold war with no bloodshed. During the past negotiations, the MILF seeks Malaysian's help while the MNLF seeks Libya. The Sultan who lived peaceful felt ignored during the negotiations with the MILF by the government during the creation of the new autonomous region. What he wanted now is simply reside in Sabah. IMHO, the MILF as well has no fix central leadership, her sub commanders are rebellious doing insurgency in Eastern Mindanao. The MILF seeks independence while the MNLF seeks equality. Fact, most of the Sultan's security forces were former MNLFs. Last edited by NoemiChan; 2013-03-06 at 23:18. |
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2013-03-06, 23:27 | Link #6 | |
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Come to think of it, who the hell will be wanting to return back home after the Department of Justice tells them to "Return back home so we can arrest you..." It's ridiculous. |
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2013-03-06, 23:41 | Link #9 | |
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If the Philippine continues to block entry of Sultan sympathizers to Malaysian.. I agree with you. But I doubt most of them will surrender, I think they're willing to fight to the death, IMHO.... |
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2013-03-07, 03:00 | Link #11 |
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Is it wrong or inappropriate of me to think "oh no, this could be Palestine all over again" regarding this matter?
Also, correct me if I appear ignorant, but could it be that the Malaysian government just went and bombed the Sulus because they don't want to risk a prolonged conflict lest it attracted other countries (like, say, Americans)? The Sulus already did make appeal to the UN if I remember right.
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And why is this happening just before election ?
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2013-03-07, 03:10 | Link #13 | |
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So uh, not really the same thing. Last edited by Shyni; 2013-03-07 at 03:34. |
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2013-03-07, 06:12 | Link #16 | |
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And this isn't just armed thugs from the M16 gang, these are guerillas who have been trained to fight government forces. Technically, they are considered an army with the guns and training they have. That is pretty desperate; they really earned their classification as insurgents. This is not going to be pretty.
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2013-03-07, 07:00 | Link #17 |
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There is a real possibility that the ruling government is behind this in order to look good and heroic for the coming election. Some of us are of the opinion that Anwar could also be the culprit. Either way, the timing is too sudden.
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2013-03-07, 07:21 | Link #18 | |
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If Mexican separatists invaded Texas just because of their "historical claims" and I don't think they would be as lucky as those in Sabah. They had given at least three weeks to leave the area but they refused but instead it was them who made the first move instead. I don't think you can wait for three weeks to let a thief who crashed your home to go back home unharmed. |
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2013-03-07, 07:37 | Link #20 |
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Another Malaysian here and trust me, I don't give a shit about this issue. Don't get me wrong, I have no intention to piss the graves of both sides but I rather not to discuss this issue on the internet, especially forums like this one. There are chances that most of its posts in this thread are Malaysian government-bash than anything else.
Of course Malaysia is the biggest Iran influence in SEA and I not surprised if USA wants losing party lose in order to erase any Iranian influence. |
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