2012-12-09, 04:36 | Link #721 | |
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As for him being surprised seeing tagiringer in the leaderboard, that doesn't seem to make much sense to me. In the first episode he said he was 5th, and he is still 5th when we see tagiringer in 4th position. Either tagiringer has been there for a while, and then it's strange that Kaito never noticed that before, or he passed Kaito recently, but then it's strange that the one who was 4th previously was passed by Tagiringer and Kaito at the same time.
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2012-12-09, 14:45 | Link #723 | |
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The release I (and presumably many others, based on the seed #s), watch has no previews. ;D Quote:
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2012-12-09, 15:42 | Link #725 | |
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As for it not making sense, I'm not sure what we're talking about. I thought it was pretty clear he's surprised a little when he sees the name.
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2012-12-09, 19:33 | Link #726 |
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As I explained before, he shouldn't be surprised to see who is in the 4th position. He already said he was 5th in the first episode, which means he saw the leaderboard before.
That could be possible if Tagiringer wasn't there before and only later managed to reach the 4th position, but in that case Kaito should have become 6th, and he is still 5th. So the only two possibilities remaining are that 1) he always managed to miss the fact that tagiringer was right a step above him in the leaderboard until that point. 2) The one who was originally 4th got passed by Kaito and Tagiringer simultaneously. Both options are a bit strange.
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2012-12-09, 23:04 | Link #727 |
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The giant robo failing to operate as hoped was so painfully embarrassing to watch that I had to skim it.
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2012-12-10, 11:42 | Link #728 | |
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And it would be quite an achievement for a sci-fi story to show that these tropes and dramatic structures do work without the need for ridiculous science fantasy. Not to mention quite in keeping with the ultimate theme of the trilogy which is showing a more serious science fiction in anime than is typical. Of course I bet it would be hella unpopular if true.
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2012-12-10, 12:04 | Link #729 |
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Does every show need to be a commentary or soaked in irony in order for it to be effective? Yes, the science fantasy aspect of many super robot shows is "ridiculous", but that's what makes them fun. Taking ridiculous things seriously is why I got into anime in the first place.
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2012-12-10, 22:24 | Link #732 | |
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I guess that from the beginning you thought I was saying that you were wrong, but I really didn't mean that.
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2012-12-11, 00:58 | Link #733 | |
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It'd only be logical if we assumed that was the same person who'd always been in fourth place, something we have no evidence of (the first time we see the list is when he is surprised at the name in Episode 4). It's far more logical to assume it's a new person in fourth place. And, it's fairly obvious he knows who the person is, after his quick defense against their being called a cheater, and while it's taking a leap, we have seen someone who's apparently quite good at fighting games, and who's sudden appearance on the list could be capable of eliciting reactions from the rather stoic Kai. Of course, it could be a character we've yet to see (at this point, we've seen everyone in the OP, I believe-which obviously doesn't necessarily mean anything, but...). But, if it is a character we've seen, there aren't any better suspects, imo, than Misa. Though, the more I stew over it, the less I can think of a good reason for why she'd suddenly start playing Kill-Ballad.
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2012-12-11, 08:58 | Link #734 |
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I liked that they went with a realistic approach to the giant robot. That thing is so massive that there is no way it could walk properly with our current technology. Still it was heartbreaking to see the reaction of the audience. Damn spoiled brats!!
BTW the S;G version of Gundam is "Mobile Jacket Gunbam". Gunvarrel is more a Super than a Real. The hotblooded pilot shouting the name of the final move ("Gunvarrel Ankh Striker!") is reminiscent of the good old giant robots of the 70s.
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2012-12-11, 19:54 | Link #736 | |
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Nicely spotted, so well this confirms that Kaito has met Tagiringer in the virtual battlefield at least once, and probably even more often.
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As to who Tagiringer may be, Misa would be a perfect candidate if she didn't completely change from when she was younger. She doesn't seem the person that would spend her time playing. To be on the top of the leaderboard you probably need to play a lot. Kaito is 5th and he plays almost constantly. I can say who is not Tagiringer however. Frau: obviously, since she suspects Tagiringer of being a cheater, plus her nickname is Fraukoujiro. Akiho: She apparently isn't good at Kill Ballad, and more importantly she is with Kaito when he is fighting Tagiringer. Mitchie: See above. Subaru: It took him 22 tries before he could beat Kaito. He is good but he wouldn't be 4th if he was so weaker than Kaito. Well there's a chance that Kaito lied to Akiho and that Subaru beat him at the first try, we didn't actually see what happened. But why would Kaito lie about that?
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2012-12-11, 22:39 | Link #737 |
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Interesting catch on his having fought him/her before. Now I'm going through to see if we've seen any other interesting people on his game screen while fighting.
It's hard to say how the rankings work. If it's like how chess works, it's entirely possible to displace someone who's in fourth place, without whoever is in fifth place being knocked out of their rank. The problem with this is that Tagiringer also played Kai. Making that scenario far less likely, as it decreases the chances that Tagiringer's rating would be low enough after beating Kai to be able to jump as high as it would by beating someone in the top four. Another explanation that might fit the sequence of events is that when Kai was playing Tagiringer in episode 3, Tagiringer was ranked higher than fourth. So, when Kai sees Tagiringer ranked fourth in episode four, it comes as a shock. Though that's kind of a weak explanation as well, since you'd think he'd be more surprised at whoever was now in Tagiringer's old spot. As you pointed out, Jan, there aren't any good suspects among the younger characters. I'm still not sure how much of Misa's personality is a facade. What I am sure of is that it is a facade, to some extent. That comment of hers in episode 3 that seemed to concern the Committee was the closest thing to her real persona that we've seen so far, and that Misa most definitely didn't seem like the adult Misa we've seen throughout the rest of the series. As she was alone and speaking to herself, it's likely that one moment was the "real" Misa. Also, Tagiringer is colored red and yellow, just like a certain robot Misa used to operate in real life. Coincidence!? Ok, maybe it is....or maybe it isn't... Arg. As I'm scanning through the previous episodes, I'm also noticing the Exoskeleton is actually a new product and just went on sale as stated by Misa on the TV in episode one. Yet, the shop keeper got hers 4? 5? years ago, which means hers must have been a beta/alpha product that Misa gave her. I wonder if that's suppose to mean something, while being fully aware it's entirely possible to read too much into things in a show like this. :/
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2012-12-12, 02:28 | Link #738 | |
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Others characters that I didn't mention and that Kaito knows are Jun and Doc, but they aren't very likely. Oh there's also Airi, but how that wouldn't be cheating? Plus you'd need to think that she told Kaito that she is Tagiringer off screen. BTW it's possible that the first 3 are AI. The fact that those are the only ones with a year attached is suspicious, at the very least they must be related. The other explanation is that they are other people affected by the anemone incident.
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2012-12-13, 22:06 | Link #740 |
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Ok, I throw what I've said about Tagiringer out the window. Kai doesn't know for sure who it is, but he thinks it's Misa. This revelation certainly doesn't change my opinion that it's her though. It does mean Kai doesn't know for sure that Tagiringer isn't a cheater. He must have recognized the playstyle when he played Tag in episode 3, and since he has a history of being destroyed by Misa at fighting games, it's possible he's not the most objective determinant of whether this Tagiringer is a cheater or not. I also thought of a reason why Misa may be participating in Kill Ballad: to test out reaction times for whatever reasons her boss seemed so interested in Kai's reactions at the robot tournament.
As an aside, if we take a step back, the act of cheating wouldn't do much for the story, so let's just assume all four players ranked ahead of Kai don't cheat, and that the reason why they're so good has something to do with this conspiracy of population reduction, monopoles, solar flares, and...giant robots. On that note, the science part of me is eye-rolling at how they decided to depict a monopole (lol), but it's a work of fiction, so let's just go with it and accept that as a monopole. I wonder who took it home. Store-owner's reaction to Airi wasn't much of a surprise, after the way she reacted to Kai's telling her he'd seen her/Kimijima Reports. The question is why the animus. I'm guessing Airi is a part of why Misa abandoned the giant robot and moved to Tokyo, and maybe store-owner-girl resents Airi for that?
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