2012-03-07, 02:25 | Link #1301 | |
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Look, I understand what you are saying, but it also goes to show Chihaya's willingness to win goes down severely when she is under attack. Her mental fortitude is lacking and is easy to crack if an opponent knows what he/she is doing. Whether Yumin was telling the truth or not is certainly debatable, but we can't deny that she was matching Chihaya's speed. This match was a very good lesson for Chihaya. If she still manages to get the resolve to move past this match to go forward, she will be a better player instantly. The lesson here is that life isn't always fair, but you still find a way to make it work. It's about time Chihaya makes a stand for herself.
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2012-03-07, 03:20 | Link #1303 | |
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Yes, Chihaya should have been tougher. But her mental weakness doesn't have the ramification of destroying the sanctity of the game. Yumin is pulling a bushleague play, and it's shameful. Chihaya's mental weakness is of no relevance to whether Yumin's trick is sportsman-like or not. |
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2012-03-07, 04:15 | Link #1305 | |
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2012-03-07, 05:13 | Link #1307 |
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Hm. Like mostly everyone else, i dislike the way Yumin plays. She has a playing style that is arguable unfair. Some people said it was persistence, but it seemed like she was, um, breaking other people's karuta spirit, if you will. Like somebody said, it is doubtful that Chihaya didn't know if she was the one who got the card. It was mentioned in one of the earlier episodes, but isn't knowing who got to the card first a mark of one of the better karuta players? When Chihaya did it against Shinobu, it also earned her acknowledgement and some degree of respect from her. It seemed to me Yumin used the other players who wanted the match to go on already to launch passive aggressive attack that made Chihaya give up her card, and possibly planting the seeds of doubt that she ever did get the card in the first place, which would affect her confidence in karuta overall.
That being said, i don't blame Yumin for what she does as much as i blame her coach. Nishida said that she stopped that method of playing because it was unsightly for a queen. Well, that just shows she has pride. Why did she start again? The coach. I'm also inclined to believe she used that playing style more because yes, she wanted to win, but probably more so because she wanted to live up to other people's expectations. And by other people i mean the coach. After all, who else encourages you but your coach when you're still a no name and a noob? That flashback sequence of the coach 'comforting' Yumin after she lost all those matches didn't hit the sympathy mark for me. It seemed to me as if he just wanted her to win so he would have better publicity for him and his society. She said his name on tv didn't she? From what we were shown, he didn't do anything to help her, just patted her on the shoulder and gave her some more weight for the next tournament. Also, he came off a a douche; he was completely inconsiderate to everyone that wasn't one of his players. He isn't half the teacher Harada is; i'm hoping Harada's teacher awesome status will be highlighted even more next week. |
2012-03-07, 05:40 | Link #1308 | |
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So much rage huh Anyway , i like Karuta's match , they are really intensive. |
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2012-03-07, 06:12 | Link #1309 | |
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I would think that she can't do it everytime.In football if you keep arguing calls with the ref you're going to end up with a flag thrown your way,if you keep arguing calls in basketball you'll end up with a technical,if you keep arguing balls and strikes in baseball you could get ejected,if you keep arguing calls in soccer you'll get a yellow card... So there's got to be a limit,and I'm sure Yumin knows it,notice she contested the call on what seemed to her like a crutial card,I'm inclined to believe that she wouldn't have done it if that was not the case. If Chihaya had just showed some resistance she might have stopped doing it,notably because she'd think she missed her crutial chance and her moral would be back down. On a completely unrelated note it looks like Kanade might just have found her vocation and become a reader,that seems to suit her quite a bit more.
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2012-03-07, 06:31 | Link #1310 |
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Agree with Sunnythesun, the coach isn't getting any sympathy for me. I really didn't like how he took Nishida away and almost forced him to cheer for Yumin instead of Chihaya. Yes, they're in the same karuta society, but geez, he's also part of the Mizusawa karuta club and has fought team matches with Chiyaha before (not to mention that all his other friends were over there cheering for Chihaya). There was no need to look so angry at him for wanting a friend to win over another one.
And the arguing over cards is a valid strategy, and I think Chihaya got unsettled a little too easily (such a contrast to the way she played in the previous ep!), so I don't really blame Yumin for doing it, but I don't like it much. Even when Tsutomu did it in an earlier episode, I cringed a little and wished he'd just drop it. Still, though frustrating to watch, it was an interesting episode. Wonder what'll happen to Chihaya though...
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2012-03-07, 07:38 | Link #1311 |
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Yumin's strategy is as valid as the one Komano used in his match against Kana-chan. Call it cheap, unsightly, shameful or whatever, but she was perfectly in her right to argue about these cards. The rules allow it, so she'd be dumb not to do it especially since arguing happens to be her strong point. I don't like it that much either, but I don't think she should belittled because of that.
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2012-03-07, 08:13 | Link #1312 |
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Can't believe Chihaya actually lost that game. Even though Yumi is a good player, but calling on so many cards she 'Believed' that she got there first? Well, not implying anything, but some players may use that to 'cheat' in certain ways.
However much i believe it was cheap of Yumi in her unique way of playing, Chihaya herself shouldn't have gotten distracted herself, and make some stand for herself if she believed she really got the card first. Perhaps she was just a little too inexperienced in the world of sports like Karuta, where rules are bended to the max. The coach on the other hand, was unbelievable. He lacks the professional spirit, of any game to fully follow the rules. He himself is a coach to the younger generation, so shouldn't he set a good example in following rules? Yes, he does raise a valid point in that it is hot in the room, but it is not like a player has an advantage over another as both sides too feel the heat. It is part of the game. Just a personal opinion. |
2012-03-07, 09:15 | Link #1313 |
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I think part of the reason he opened the window was to get rid of the steam. But anyway, I'm sure his action was welcomed by all players. The organisators should have scheduled a short break to let some air back in in the first place, imo. Those were not good playing conditions at all.
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2012-03-07, 09:56 | Link #1315 |
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I've been trying to figure out where the series goes for the final episodes now that Chihaya is out of the queen competition. I just had a thought. Maybe the final episodes will involve our gang rooting for Harada-sensei as he makes his bid to become king? By finally showing us how Harada plays through the kids' eyes, we could see the kids discover tips, tricks, and weak areas to fix in their own play. Maybe the series will end with an Arata / Harada match-up in the final round. In that case, who would Chihaya and Taichi root for? And who would win??
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2012-03-07, 10:04 | Link #1316 |
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I've lost count of how many times I've said, "Wait, that's allowed?" while watching this show. It's like Karuta's designed to encourage these kinds of unfair playing tactics -- other than Taichi switching the cards, we've never seen any bizarre play that wasn't legal under the rules. So Yumin's play was as fair as Desktop-kun knocking half the cards off the field, or Taichi pshyching out Nishida.
That said, Chihaya should've contested Yumin's claims, regardless of whether they're true or not. Also: doesn't Karuta have referees? You'd figure after the first dispute, given Yumin's rep, one of the officials would be there to make the call instead of relying on the players to settle it themselves. |
2012-03-07, 11:01 | Link #1317 | |
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If karuta is a sport, then there is sportsmanship to consider. Sportsmanship is a set of unspoken rules and decorum. Yeah, so you should be belittled if you play the game without sportsmanship, because sports is more than just winning and losing (even at the competitive level). |
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2012-03-07, 15:06 | Link #1319 | |
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2012-03-07, 15:11 | Link #1320 |
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Yumin is also another instance of an "older" woman we have seen already in the anime. She is presented as someone on the edge of being superseded by the upcoming younger generation. So the turning point in the match for Yumin is the moment when she refuses to go along with the usual story, where older women exist to set the stage for the young, who win glory and victory on the strength of their youth. Yumin's win underlines the author's basic sympathy for older women. In this respect, Suetsugu-sama is very much writing against the conventions of a large portion of manga and anime written today.
It would be interesting to go back and reevaluate the main characters in terms of this contrary point of view. One could think Chihaya and Taichi's good looks and Chihaya's exceptional reflexes rather tell against them, as signs of the privilege of youth. Conversely, Taichi's words about putting in effort on the tatami and about making himself into someone who does not run away reflect the values of experience and endurance that define the lives of those have grown through and beyond youth. Arata's care for his grandfather fulfills women's wishes that sons should equally fulfill the responsibility of caring for the elderly usually shouldered by the daughters. A lot that transpires in the anime makes new sense I think if you look at the show from the perspective of this sympathy for older women.
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