2009-07-08, 18:18 | Link #282 |
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Ahahahaha Anh_Minh How can you call soldiers innocent ? Just because you know nothing about them, yet they are now innocent victims? It's like i'd say they were all hateful bastards, raping and pillaging all over the empire. You got any proof to claim differently?
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2009-07-08, 19:49 | Link #283 |
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Man this manga is under-rated.
I like the storyline and everything... I wish they would hurry up and subbed the other chapters instead of doing them week by week... I be goin nuts over here trying to figure out whats going on by looking the picture (since I cant read Japanese) |
2009-07-09, 00:42 | Link #285 | ||
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Certainly not armed soldiers. The way I see it, Koinz wants vengeance on his former brethren, that is his primary purpose. He does not want to kill 'innocents' as you put it or anyone other then the 7 heroes, however he won't let that stop him from his goal. He will try his best to avoid hurting innocents, but he will not stop just because of this. Fair enough, no? Personally, I don't usually condone vengeance (that is why I am against capital punishment), however it is a manga series, and the 7 heroes have committed rather horrendous acts, atrocities if you like. They haven ot been good leaders, to say the least. Quote:
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2009-07-09, 01:50 | Link #286 | ||||
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2009-07-09, 02:06 | Link #287 | ||
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The awful contradiction in your argument is that only one side can be wrong and one side right; so if Archriit is wrong then the soldiers are the good guys, and if Archriit is in the right then the soldiers are the bad guys. That's what it sounds to me you're making it out to be.
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2009-07-09, 02:48 | Link #288 |
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What? It's not 'Country vs. Koinzell'. It's 'Koinzell vs. the Seven Heroes'. Koinzell bears no ill will towards the soldiers, and they have committed no offense against him. Whatever vapid definition of 'innocents' you guys are making up to try to paint the soldiers as 'bad' isn't the point: Koinzell has nothing against the country, hell he's probably even still loyal to the Empire and the Emperor. Koinzell's vendetta against the Seven Heroes is a matter of personal vengeance against them specifically, so killing perfectly useful soldiers who are still loyal and can serve the empire is bad. The fact that Koinzell is doing it thus makes him a bad guy, even if just a little. Get it into your heads, Koinzell is not some perfect hero of justice.
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2009-07-09, 06:21 | Link #296 |
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Its been the topic since you and Anh Minh keep putting words in other peoples mouths so as to fuel your arguments.
Nobody is denying Archriit hasn't killed/injured or attacked people that lets say were "non-evil". There's also no denying he would. I don't even know why we need to bring this up, he said it himself for what its worth. Quote whoever said this which you are discussing, so that we can stop debating hot air. (somehow I'm suspecting you're just going to nitpick at some random comment but w/e)
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2009-07-09, 06:36 | Link #297 | |
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Then having them released and un-translated... Its pretty much the same thing... I feel like having them not translated is even worse because I be wanting to know whats be said... |
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2009-07-09, 07:43 | Link #298 | |
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It's a different story if you are killed by guys who you were fighting with since the beginning then killing ENEMY soldiers. I'm pretty sure Konz and co. were by the book murdered. They were killed by their friends, their comrades, guys who fought with them.
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2009-07-09, 08:11 | Link #299 |
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They're being translated though, you just need to be patient. And you're right, it's the same thing, but I prefer the rate the translation is doing now. And there's no comfort on thinking the raws are going to release it like they are releasing now. The provider might drop it now, and it's going to be months till we see another raw. I like to keep my updates per x week, not per x month.
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2009-07-09, 08:27 | Link #300 | |
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People are flat out saying that anybody Koinzell kills deserves to die. Whether it's cause they're all 'unscrupulous' bastards who enjoy killing, or because they are supposedly enemy soldiers in Koinzell's 'war' against the empire, their deaths are all justifiable. Yourself included for engaging in that last sophistry, when Koinzell's vendetta clearly has nothing to do with the citizens of the empire (yes, soldiers are citizens too). My point is that there's nothing to justify--Koinzell's revenge has nothing to do with what is good or bad, so if you actually respect Koinzell's admission as a criminal, you'll stop trying to justify his actions for him. And y'know, seriously. If you haven't made an argument that I'm disputing, then you can just ignore me like the rest of the 'random' comments, alright? Just because I've grouped you in as part of a general argument doesn't mean every line is addressed to you. If you never made the claim that Koinzell never killed innocents, then great, good for you, but to make the jump from 'not me' = 'nobody' is really ridiculous. |
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