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2010-11-29, 22:32 | Link #10163 | |
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This just in from Julian Assange's birthplace, Queensland, Australia:
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2010-11-30, 00:35 | Link #10168 | ||
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2010-11-30, 01:12 | Link #10170 |
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Wikileaks release 'shows China thinking on Korea'
So China doesn't mind if the North collapsed and the South took over.
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2010-11-30, 02:14 | Link #10171 | ||
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2010-11-30, 03:21 | Link #10172 | |
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What is said in the released cables is hardly a surprise or anything unbelievable. It resembles reality more then american news does, albeit heavily colored with a U.S. POV on the matter (some of the cables are a little too ambitious , just because someone thinks he/she knows everything about someone else doesn't mean he/she actually does.) But thats beside the point, if your rated break point in regards to free speech and free press is that low, than be careful what you wish for, you might wake up in a dictatorship one day being victimized (which might be a mind changing experience, albeit a little too late). Besides, if secrets are dangerous and leaked, its better to know about the weak spot then have it dormant until it is misused for an attack.
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2010-11-30, 03:54 | Link #10173 |
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Same can be said about a government talking sh** behind other people's backs. And I really don't see how Assange can be convicted for cybercrime either. If they have evidence that he's been hacking into security systems to get these files then that's a good reason but I wonder if they do. If there's no evidence for cybercrime then they can't really do anything. On top of that, Australia even admitted his leak didn't compromise their interests so they can't fault him for anything. Either way, Assange is practicing the very right the US claims to promote: free speech. Also, he's giving people the right of knowledge because as I said, people should be allowed to know the truth and he's giving it to them.
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2010-11-30, 04:14 | Link #10174 |
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U.S. presses China again over jailed geologist
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNew...6AT0I320101130 A real case or a commercial move ?
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2010-11-30, 04:18 | Link #10175 | |
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Whichever the case, tho, I would like to see if they would still want Assange arrested since what he's doing is not so much different from the geologist here by revealing secrets and confidential information. The US are arguing a lack of transparency against China. It wouldn't make sense that they go and do the same thing China is to Assange in light of this. |
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2010-11-30, 04:22 | Link #10176 | |
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thats a very idealistic view. unfortunately, the world doesn't run on idealism. Assange and his website may technically be legal, but lts not fool ourselves that this is done in service of "free speech" or the stupid idea that "people have a right to know". he's doing it do cause as much damage as possible to the US. if the documents had exposed any real WRONGDOING on the part of the US government, we might have a point to discuss the value of the leak. in practice, all it does is embarrass the US and strain international relations, by making it harder for potential allies to speak their mind openly when dealing with the US about sensitive matters. for example, if in the past, arab leaders were able to say in private what they can't say in public, then now they will think 10 times before saying anything even in private. you don't tell your secrets to someone if you believe that there is a good chance that those secrets would be made public knowledge a year from now. this leak is meant to damage US relations with anyone they have to HAVE a relationship with. thats it. it serves no other purpose, and was done for no other purpose.
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2010-11-30, 04:36 | Link #10177 | |
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Thing is, there's no real telling what his motivations are* and it's pointless to speculate that because the fact is, he's revealing the documents. To the eyes of a third party, it might look differently and seem as if that person isn't doing it to spite you, but because he wants the truth to be out. Just because the idealistic pov I'm presenting is rare doesn't mean it's not there at all. Just because the world doesn't run on ideals doesn't mean people who are motivated by them don't exist. Of course, you could be right and he really is doing it to hurt the US, but as you said yourself, people will need to think more carefully about which secrets the let people in on and which ones they don't. The US had it coming when those comments on other countries were put down on paper. * As far as I know, he's in it more because he wants to reveal just how little information the media is in fact presenting, and he doesn't even hold himself accountable for the leaks and he doesn't measure his success based on how much confidential information he's found. To me, that says he's not in it to hurt anyone, but just to show the people how much private media companies don't disclose. |
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2010-11-30, 04:39 | Link #10178 | |
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2010-11-30, 04:51 | Link #10179 | |
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and in general, the Leaks have caused considerably more damage to my enemies then to my country. and yet, i can still see the massive damage this will bring in the long run. i'm not interested in "hurt feelings" if someone feels butthurt over some US diplomat calling him names behind locked doors that person shouldn't be in politics. what i AM concerned with is that now people who used to come to talk openly about their problems, would refuse to do so. think about what some of those revelations discuss. for example 1)China is almost ready to ditch north korea and support reunification. 2)Russia cancels weapon sales to rogue nations, if you bribe them right. 3)protest groups in Iran are being supported by western powers. all these things are "known" in the right circles, who help promote them in secret. exposing these things publicly, has an adverse effect their chances of taking place in the real world. the Chinese will have to do some damage control regarding their relations with NK, which means more support rather then less. Russia might hold up sales of weapons anyway, just to protect their reputation as arms traders. and the reformist movement in Iran will be put down more brutally then in the past, under the claim that they are "servants of the great/Little devil"
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