2011-03-23, 20:19 | Link #12661 |
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As with Khomieni, the Ottoman, Guiscard, St Augustine, Hugues de Payens, etc. Pathetic bastards who hid behind their religion to control others.
History has their assholes - and most of them can be found in the Middle Ages. And given how the world is pretty much religiously divided, I would have said "feels like the middle ages" if I had lived from that time till now.
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2011-03-23, 20:22 | Link #12662 | |
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By my logic government is not eloquence, nor is it noble. Government is force, and like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
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2011-03-23, 20:27 | Link #12663 | |
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The entire human entity always need someone to watch over and group them together because most of us are either mentally retarded, can't make up their minds, or are unable to decide due to emotional attachments.
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2011-03-23, 20:47 | Link #12665 |
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Hitler was an occult freak. He believed in astrology, fortune telling, runes and all that stupid stuff. He was everything but rational in that aspect. And that is certainly not atheistic.
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2011-03-23, 21:00 | Link #12666 |
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I don't consider rationalism positive or negative.
It is simply a mental tool used to help in understanding. Unfortunately, Hitler abused that tool as have many leaders throughout history. I suppose the best thing to label Hitler is what he was, a Nationalist Socialist. I would imagine that Kaddafi considers what he has been doing to/for his people over the last 42 years to be rational. I would firmly disagree with him, but I think he believes that his way of ruling is the correct way.
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2011-03-23, 21:17 | Link #12667 | |
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Spoiler for Munich, 12 April 1922:
http://www.hitler.org/speeches/04-12-22.html Spoiler for NSDAP Party Program Point 24:
http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/ By just these two points alone, I have disproved your assertion that Nazi Germany was an "Atheist-Statist" entity, like you like to keep claiming. Try again. |
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2011-03-23, 21:23 | Link #12668 | |
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2011-03-23, 21:27 | Link #12669 |
I don't give a damn, dude
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Precisely my point. Regardless of what his actual beliefs were, it's stated in black-and-white that Hitler built the Nazi system on a religious basis, invalidating the claim that Nazi Germany was an "atheist-statist" state. All the claims and counter-claims about Hitler's supposed beliefs, has only proven to me that Hitler is a consummate politician who's well aware of religion's capacity to inspire fanaticism, whatever his beliefs may be.
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2011-03-23, 21:29 | Link #12670 | |
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Gift of the silver tongue is something many great orators possess (which includes Hitler).
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2011-03-23, 22:41 | Link #12671 |
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Getting past this whole religion debate. . .
A very moving story of a nine year old girl saving her five year old sister from a truck. http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theloo...e-sisters-life |
2011-03-23, 22:49 | Link #12672 | ||
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I guess you must have missed this part of Mein Kampf: Quote:
Hitler had no problem with using any gods' or goddess' name so long as it gave him power. He didn't believe in any divine punishment for what he was doing. He had no fear of hell, or some divine judgement for his actions. What he did believe in was Wagner's idealistic Germanic destiny. Wagner was a devout revolutionary socialist of the late 1840s and a great influence on Adolf. In addition, Neitzsche's philosophy of "The Power of the Will" had profound influence on Hitler's own philosophical idealism. Even the Neitzsche society acknowledges this. The entire concept of Neitzsche's Ubermench is the Eugenic culmination of a man (or race of men) who become as "the gods themselves." That was Hitler's belief, and it IS a form of atheism because it lacks any belief in any supernatural being, wrath of god, or other judgement by a higher non-human power. The State becomes God through the Ubermench who wield power within it, which is the Nationalist Socialist philosophy in a nutshell. Ascaloth, you need to understand that there are many forms of atheism. Not just one. Just as there are many forms of theism, some good, and some very bad; there are also many forms of atheism, some good, and some very bad. The world is not as simple as Theist verses Atheist, and I am incapable of thinking in such simpleton terms. Just as the Theocracy of the Holy Roman Empire brought about the horrors of the inquisition, the Atheistic-Statists (or Authoritarian Atheists if you prefer) of the various Socialist governments of the 20th Century starved millions to death and sent millions more to death camps. Methinks we've deviated from this threads topic enough. I'll leave you with that Ascaloth. __________________________________________________ ___________ Now, back on topic: Obama is sticking to his "guns." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110323/...us_us_libya_32 I truly hope he means this.
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2011-03-24, 00:10 | Link #12673 |
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I don't think you can simplify it to a numbers game. There's no stone-cold reason why a theocracy or an atheist state kill people. While a theocratic state might kill nonbelievers and an atheist state might kill believers, I highly doubt that is the reason why the bulk of deaths occur under those governmental forms. Rather, I'd suggest poor leadership, selfishness, warlike culture, and bad economics are far more relevant factors.
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2011-03-24, 00:33 | Link #12675 | |
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But we must resist!! Anyway, here's a developing story about a fuel fire in Miami: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/2...s-out-at.html# Here's a rather interesting look at China's current economic situation. Seems like a mixed bag to me: http://english.caing.com/2011-03-11/100235531.html
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2011-03-24, 00:37 | Link #12676 | |
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Or probably since the Viking times.
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2011-03-24, 03:00 | Link #12679 |
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British government rolls the dice with tough austerity budget
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1954319/
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2011-03-24, 03:09 | Link #12680 |
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"Germany is determined to show the world how abandoning nuclear energy can be done."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42239367...world_business I'm not entirely sure if this is viable, or just a scam to get Germans to pay more money. Depends entirely on what they think they can come up with for renewable power sources, and if they also plan to get rid of their rather dirty coal fired power plants. Solar and wind require a huge amount of area to generate the power needed to power Germany, and I'm not all that sure the countruy has the areas needed for it.
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