(L) Log Horizon (novel)

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

Didn't say. From his indication to "use Google Translator" on one line, though, I think it's a combination of the Japanese web novels and something else.

Well, let's hope the Taiwanese release won't be held-up so that he can have the final product to work with. IIRC there are some differences between the web and published novels too, so he might need to run through them again when he gets the book

It would be nice if the rest of Dragon Roar is translated. A glimpse at the end of chapter 9 suggests that Mamare might have intended it to lead into volume 7, aka 6 -> Dragon Roar -> 7.

[RDNexus]

So Dragon Roar is actually only 9 chapters? Hmm...
But, oh well, at least, like that, it'd really make a nice single side-story volume.

[DQueenie13]

Question about volume 7/web novel chapter 55:

Spoiler for spoilered in case anyone hasn't read it:

Does K.R. have spies in Akiba/he's spying on Akiba, or did Shiroe tell him that he was leaving?

He seems pretty unpredictable, and the only person whose side he's on seems to be Kanami's. I have a feeling that it's not impossible for Shiroe to have told him something, since we know he's been communicating with Kazuhiko and so he probably knows of K.R. being in Minami.

Also, something unrelated I noticed but probably was pointed out before:

Spoiler:

All the Genius monsters are named after demons.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

Also, something unrelated I noticed but probably was pointed out before:

Spoiler:

All the Genius monsters are named after demons.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Not just any demons. Quoting from a Taiwanese source, the 82 Genius take their names from the Nuctemeron (not the metal band) by Apollonius of Tyana. There's a translation and intepretation by Eliphas Levi which can be found here

[Gimmesum]

just read skythewood translatation on ch. 55

Perhaps this is how Nureha notice Shiroe overskill...

Spoiler:

she has former GM on her side..

"GM call' is one of the game master ability Quon retained, allowing him to receive pop up notification of events happening within the Yamato server. He is also able to receive messages from F.O.E as well, but he has not been contacted since the Apocalypse. The event notification has been limited to the timed and trigger events."

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by Estavali

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Not just any demons. Quoting from a Taiwanese source, the 82 Genius take their names from the Nuctemeron (not the metal band) by Apollonius of Tyana. There's a translation and intepretation by Eliphas Levi which can be found here

Some speculation from reading the thread (and I didn't even notice the part you mentioned, since the book I sourced had them from all different books):

Spoiler:

The Geniuses will appear in order of the Nuctemeron, and represent the struggles that the cast is facing at the time.

For example, Papus and Rasphuia (misspelling of Kasphuia?) were the first to appear, in the side-story, and are part of the Genii of the First Hour in the Nuctemeron. *And now I just realize that they are -geniuses- of their aspect. Ha. Ha.*

Heiglot is also a Genius of the First Hour, so she may be the one to appear first in the main storyline. Or, perhaps, she subtly did -- in the explanation, it's stated that we must "triumph over the opinion which freezes all enthusiasms, and confounds everything in the same cold pallor." Many Adventurers are "frozen" by the idea that this world is still a game and that they are free to do whatever they wish. Alternatively, Heiglot's destructive capability and awareness of the "real world" will demoralize Adventurers everywhere, which will become the next conflict.

Originally Posted by Gimmesum

just read skythewood translatation on ch. 55

You should probably spoiler that, since not everyone's read it. Ah well, then again, this is the novel thread. You snooze, you lose.

Spoiler for response:

"She has a former GM on her side."
Overskills were something that could be done after the Catastrophe that couldn't be done before, so it probably wouldn't matter if she had a former GM. She could probably figure out an overskill just from her spies' reports without Quon's help.

And on an unrelated note, for some reason, the Ten-Seat Conference makes me think of the Bad Girls' Club. Everyone's bickering with each other or ganging up on another.

[Gimmesum]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

You should probably spoiler that, since not everyone's read it. Ah well, then again, this is the novel thread. You snooze, you lose.

my bad, sorry I didnt know how to use spoiler

[DQueenie13]

Reading the rough translation for chapter 56.

Spoiler:

Seems as though Elder Tale's "Golden Age" of lore is our real world. Reminder that the world of Elder Tale is post-apocalyptic, since most people seem to forget that. In the anime, it wasn't explained, so hopefully this will clear things up in S2.

We also get to see Shiroe's weakness. He's far too reserved for his own good, and Naotsugu knows this. It's nice getting to see Naotsugu's insight into this, since we see where the negotiations failed as well as how Naotsugu has more practical experience than Shiroe does.

Wait .... does that mean in the next translated chapter, we get

Spoiler:

Delicious and how he's completely manhandled by his Lander wife?

Spoiler:

Delicious.

[Netto Azure]

Yeah, reading the rough translation illuminated a lot of how Minami works. There's somewhat of a strict hierarchy, but jeez making them integrate by force is showing a lot of small schisms with the factionalism that's bubbling under the surface.

Though ironically it did remind me of the RTC for some reason.

And really? Under-girding their whole societal structure with serfdom and slavery? I thought modern people would be repelled by such ideas. While Minami might extol the rapid progress they have made in a short time, I think the relative free market Akiba developed would unleash creative forces better in the long run.

As for the Currency and trade issue. Its interesting how the Kunie has no concept of loans or other banking services outside of withdrawal and deposits. This societal structure as was pointed out has really kept the merchant class at a very subservient role inhibiting the development of technologies.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

As for the Currency and trade issue. Its interesting how the Kunie has no concept of loans or other banking services outside of withdrawal and deposits. This societal structure as was pointed out has really kept the merchant class at a very subservient role inhibiting the development of technologies.

the whole point of making loans is to make a profit form the interest. the Kunie clan has access to unlimited gold. What would the point be at making loans then?

[Netto Azure]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

the whole point of making loans is to make a profit form the interest. the Kunie clan has access to unlimited gold. What would the point be at making loans then?

That is true. Though I was looking more into the incentives to develop new technologies and recovering old magic.

As for the setting of Elder Tales, I thought we already established that the setting was Earth post-apocalypse? Hence the names and ruined structures.

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

Yeah, reading the rough translation illuminated a lot of how Minami works. There's somewhat of a strict hierarchy, but jeez making them integrate by force is showing a lot of small schisms with the factionalism that's bubbling under the surface.

Though ironically it did remind me of the RTC for some reason.

And really? Under-girding their whole societal structure with serfdom and slavery? I thought modern people would be repelled by such ideas. While Minami might extol the rapid progress they have made in a short time, I think the relative free market Akiba developed would unleash creative forces better in the long run.

Don't forget that this isn't applicable to just Minami. Plant Hwyaden also took over Nakasu in this fashion.

Considering that both Nureha and Indicus aim to conquer the entirety of Minami, their methods aren't terribly surprising. This makes me wonder if they discovered Real Food Preparation before Akiba, and if they did, why they concealed it. People from all over went to Akiba due to the rumors of tasty food (if I remember correctly), which means that it attracted a lot of attention. Had PH found it first, by revealing it, wouldn't they attract much more Adventurers?

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

As for the setting of Elder Tales, I thought we already established that the setting was Earth post-apocalypse? Hence the names and ruined structures.

I don't think the anime mentioned that, or if it did, it seriously glossed over it. I've seen several people questioning why there were abandoned cars and other such modern-day sights. The anime probably tried implying it, but some people seem to be confused by it.

[yulinard]

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

And really? Under-girding their whole societal structure with serfdom and slavery? I thought modern people would be repelled by such ideas. While Minami might extol the rapid progress they have made in a short time, I think the relative free market Akiba developed would unleash creative forces better in the long run.

Japan in Edo period are more or less like this. Centralized on samurai class at expense of others and they don't have Shiroe who notice that Landers are no longer NPC and the half point of RTC is to avoid conflict with Landers.

[Gimmesum]

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

As for the Currency and trade issue. Its interesting how the Kunie has no concept of loans or other banking services outside of withdrawal and deposits. This societal structure as was pointed out has really kept the merchant class at a very subservient role inhibiting the development of technologies.

I can relate to that somehow. I dont remember any mmo which has loan function, or even gave interest when player deposit the money. All if not most of them only have storage function as I recall...

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

Don't forget that this isn't applicable to just Minami. Plant Hwyaden also took over Nakasu in this fashion.

Considering that both Nureha and Indicus aim to conquer the entirety of Minami, their methods aren't terribly surprising. This makes me wonder if they discovered Real Food Preparation before Akiba, and if they did, why they concealed it. People from all over went to Akiba due to the rumors of tasty food (if I remember correctly), which means that it attracted a lot of attention. Had PH found it first, by revealing it, wouldn't they attract much more Adventurers?

The other possibility is that Indicus used Nureha and the promise of security as a carrot and the threat to put anyone that opposes them on the Cathedral blacklist as a stick to net the whole lot in. This method generally works well with people who are confused and frightened.

Once they're in and settled down, they'd be less receptive to any idea that'll disturb the peace, or rather, their peace of mind. Not to mention that the social structure under PH's control is one where they, the Adventurers, more or less stand to win. Selfishness and inertial then sets in and you'll have the group of sheep that now lives quietly under PH's thumb.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Estavali

The other possibility is that Indicus used Nureha and the promise of security as a carrot and the threat to put anyone that opposes them on the Cathedral blacklist as a stick to net the whole lot in. This method generally works well with people who are confused and frightened.

Once they're in and settled down, they'd be less receptive to any idea that'll disturb the peace, or rather, their peace of mind. Not to mention that the social structure under PH's control is one where they, the Adventurers, more or less stand to win. Selfishness and inertial then sets in and you'll have the group of sheep that now lives quietly under PH's thumb.

came straight out of Vetinari's handbook on ruling like a tyrant.

[DQueenie13]

Cuncator started translating some of Mamare's LogHora Wednesday posts. It seems as though Rayneshia's family is larger than we thought.

Also, my headcanon on Sarariya being talented at politics is actually canon.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

Cuncator started translating some of Mamare's LogHora Wednesday posts. It seems as though Rayneshia's family is larger than we thought.

Also, my headcanon on Sarariya being talented at politics is actually canon.

Here I was wondering if someone could translate those articles and BAM! Wish granted!

A thousand blessings to the good person!

[tsunade666]

I just manage to read chapter 55 and 56. Question why is he translating the web version and not the novel version? If I remember it right. There was a bit difference between those two.

Both chapter are nice. Chapter 56 also shows that Shiroe's nature of being secretive backfire on him. Now the part when negotiating with William to join the raid battle and 3 consecutive boss battle.

[Xellos-_^]

because he is doing chinese->english trans.

the chinese novel isn't out yet and there are some chinese translation of the web ver.