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Blazor 98 · 2018-12-07, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Rayzer

It's not just stabilize it but also make enhancements as well. Remember that Apophis and Azi became Heavenly Dragon class because of those enhancements.

Apophis and Azi Dahaka made themselves get stronger through training. The only thing the Sephiroth did was revive them and got rid of their weaknesses from Dragon slayers. Now Valerie could help Crom get rid of that weakness but knowing Crom he wouldn't allow it since he relies on his own strength.

Sekiryuu12 · 2018-12-07, 14:20

Are you crazy? those were revived like two months and trained to Heavenly Dragon lvl ?

Blazor 98 · 2018-12-07, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Sekiryuu12

Are you crazy? those were revived like two months and trained to Heavenly Dragon lvl ?

We don't know how strong they were originally but volume 21 confirmed it. For Azi Dahaka:

[Aži Dahāka has already reached the class of a Heavenly Dragon.]

Albion said.

…I see, Albion has recognised that he has already become an existence on par with the strongest Two Heavenly Dragons. That’s why he’s so strong. Like Crom Cruach, who has reached the class of the Heavenly Dragons through training, Aži Dahāka has also enhanced his own strength after being resurrected, and finally reached the level of the Heavenly Dragons. Thinking about it this way, it’s also easy to imagine that the same would be true for Apophis.

And for Apophis:

[…He has also trained to the same level as us…!]

—He was actually Heavenly Dragon-class!

TheWu8128 · 2018-12-07, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Apophis and Azi Dahaka made themselves get stronger through training. The only thing the Sephiroth did was revive them and got rid of their weaknesses from Dragon slayers. Now Valerie could help Crom get rid of that weakness but knowing Crom he wouldn't allow it since he relies on his own strength.

When did it say they trained in the story I don't remember that? Crom yeah he was training, but he was also alive to train the other two were dead.

Lucidrago · 2018-12-07, 15:52

Yeah Apophis and Azi Dahaka were just two of the many problems with the fourth arc. We knew they were powerful before they died, but not Heavenly Dragon-level. And now that reach that level in like two or three months after being revived? When Crom Cruach trained for years to reach Heavenly Dragon-level?

Blazor 98 · 2018-12-07, 15:52

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Originally Posted by TheWu8128

When did it say they trained in the story I don't remember that? Crom yeah he was training, but he was also alive to train the other two were dead.

I just showed proof.

Parry999 · 2018-12-07, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Yeah Apophis and Azi Dahaka were just two of the many problems with the fourth arc. We knew they were powerful before they died, but not Heavenly Dragon-level. And now that reach that level in like two or three months after being revived? When Crom Cruach trained for years to reach Heavenly Dragon-level?

They where always top ten level though. Crom Cruach might not have been being an underling of Lughs dad. Azi Dahka was feared for his magic and Apophis said his body was frail. They might be like Fenrir who is only HD class in a few stats.

fan · 2018-12-07, 17:19

Parry999@ Balor was Lugh's grandfather not his dad

Parry999 · 2018-12-07, 17:40

Fan@ forgot

Rayzer · 2018-12-07, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Yeah Apophis and Azi Dahaka were just two of the many problems with the fourth arc. We knew they were powerful before they died, but not Heavenly Dragon-level. And now that reach that level in like two or three months after being revived? When Crom Cruach trained for years to reach Heavenly Dragon-level?

This is just my guess but I think Crom was weaker than Apophis and Azi Dahaka all those years ago. Even before they were killed Azi and Apophis were legends and feared even by gods. It took someone from the top 10 to kill Apophis. Crom had centuries of training between the Underworld and Human world to reach his current level. My guess is Azi and Apophis probably wasn't too far away from Heavenly Dragon class before they were killed which is why they reach that level in just a few months of training.

godz · 2018-12-07, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Rayzer

This is just my guess but I think Crom was weaker than Apophis and Azi Dahaka all those years ago. Even before they were killed Azi and Apophis were legends and feared even by gods. It took someone from the top 10 to kill Apophis. Crom had centuries of training between the Underworld and Human world to reach his current level. My guess is Azi and Apophis probably wasn't too far away from Heavenly Dragon class before they were killed which is why they reach that level in just a few months of training.

that would be logical if it were not that in the novel in the introduction of the evil dragon in volume 14, if I'm not mistaken, it would be considered crom-cruach the strongest of them.

Lex79 · 2018-12-08, 00:41

It's typical of battle series. Characters growth is as fast as the author needs to be.

TheWu8128 · 2018-12-09, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Blazor 98

I just showed proof.

What proof? Go find the quote or paragraph were it said they got stronger by training once they were revived. I think most of the people that comment can find the answers to their questions if you just go back and read the story then comment. Save yourself and everyone else the trouble.

Brawlre · 2018-12-09, 22:02

Yeah never did it say they trained in the story it was kinda implied that the holy grail was the reason they were so strong

Blazor 98 · 2018-12-09, 23:03

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Originally Posted by TheWu8128

What proof? Go find the quote or paragraph were it said they got stronger by training once they were revived. I think most of the people that comment can find the answers to their questions if you just go back and read the story then comment. Save yourself and everyone else the trouble.

[Aži Dahāka has already reached the class of a Heavenly Dragon.]

Albion said.

…I see, Albion has recognised that he has already become an existence on par with the strongest Two Heavenly Dragons. That’s why he’s so strong. Like Crom Cruach, who has reached the class of the Heavenly Dragons through training, Aži Dahāka has also enhanced his own strength after being resurrected, and finally reached the level of the Heavenly Dragons. Thinking about it this way, it’s also easy to imagine that the same would be true for Apophis.

And for Apophis:

[…He has also trained to the same level as us…!]

—He was actually Heavenly Dragon-class!

@Brawire volume 21 proves you wrong.

The Infinite Dream · 2018-12-09, 23:59

@TheWu8128 he already linked you the paragraph why are you asking for it again?

Royalknightftw · 2018-12-10, 00:42

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Originally Posted by godz

that would be logical if it were not that in the novel in the introduction of the evil dragon in volume 14, if I'm not mistaken, it would be considered crom-cruach the strongest of them.

It's pretty logical to think that Crom used to be much weaker than both Apophis and Azi dahaka. When they were introduced, it didn't say that Crom was the strongest but he was the top 3 along with Azi and Apophis.

Brawlre · 2018-12-10, 10:13

Who’s brawire? Also that’s a grammar mistake like doesn’t necessarily refer to the action it can refer to the state of being

The Infinite Dream · 2018-12-10, 17:12

So now its a grammar mistake that it says they trained to the same level. Wheres you sources that its a mistake?

Brawlre · 2018-12-10, 18:59

Don’t get your infinite Pantys in a bunch Not a grammar mistake on the author a grammar mistake on your end the reader rather I shouldn’t of said grammar mistake. More like the phrasing was ambiguous the word like was used. More or less to say that they were at a similar level of power not to say they obtained it through the same methods

2018-12-07, 14:20	Link #22
Sekiryuu12 God Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Brasil Age: 29	Are you crazy? those were revived like two months and trained to Heavenly Dragon lvl ?

2018-12-07, 15:52	Link #25
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	Yeah Apophis and Azi Dahaka were just two of the many problems with the fourth arc. We knew they were powerful before they died, but not Heavenly Dragon-level. And now that reach that level in like two or three months after being revived? When Crom Cruach trained for years to reach Heavenly Dragon-level?

2018-12-07, 17:19	Link #28
fan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018	Parry999@ Balor was Lugh's grandfather not his dad

2018-12-07, 17:40	Link #29
Parry999 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: America Age: 30	Fan@ forgot

2018-12-08, 00:41	Link #32
Lex79 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Italy	It's typical of battle series. Characters growth is as fast as the author needs to be.

2018-12-09, 22:02	Link #34
Brawlre Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	Yeah never did it say they trained in the story it was kinda implied that the holy grail was the reason they were so strong

2018-12-09, 23:59	Link #36
The Infinite Dream Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2018	@TheWu8128 he already linked you the paragraph why are you asking for it again?

2018-12-10, 10:13	Link #38
Brawlre Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	Who’s brawire? Also that’s a grammar mistake like doesn’t necessarily refer to the action it can refer to the state of being

2018-12-10, 17:12	Link #39
The Infinite Dream Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2018	So now its a grammar mistake that it says they trained to the same level. Wheres you sources that its a mistake?

2018-12-10, 18:59	Link #40
Brawlre Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	Don’t get your infinite Pantys in a bunch Not a grammar mistake on the author a grammar mistake on your end the reader rather I shouldn’t of said grammar mistake. More like the phrasing was ambiguous the word like was used. More or less to say that they were at a similar level of power not to say they obtained it through the same methods