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Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:19

You say a Breaker attack and those have breaker on their name.

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-03, 16:21

It's not always connected. "Breaker" magic is a specific type of magic utilization. Subaru's IS isn't Breaker magic.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 16:26

IS doesn't even function the same way normal magic does in the first place, so it's impossible for it to qualify as Breaker magic. And Hayate's spell was specifically amended to have a mid childan circle in the DVD's, which clearly shows the intent was for it not to be a pure Belkan spell.

So, current count of Belkan breaker spells: 0.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:26

Yes "breaker" is a very vague type of magic that can... break things. Like the other magic but this use to have it on its name.

Nanya01 · 2013-02-03, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Sansker

You say a Breaker attack and those have breaker on their name.

*Slaps face*

Wow, you have NO idea what an I.S. is, do you?

Inherit Skill

All combat cyborgs have these.

Ginga - ???
Uno - Perfect Secretary
Due - Liar's Mask
Tre - Ride Impulse
Quattro - Silver Curtain
Cinque - Rumble Detonator
Sein - Deep Diver
Sette - Slaughter Arms
Otto - Ray Storm
Nove - Linebreaker
Wendi - Aerial Rave
Dieci - Heavy Barrel
Deed - Twin Blades
Subaru - Oscillating Breaker

And those are just the primary ones, most of the Combat Cyborgs have a second or third I.S. to help support their main one.

I.S. doesn't USE *magic*, it uses the Combat Cyborg operating system, as shown in the final episode of StrikerS when everyone was unable to use magic, Subaru commented that as long as she was in Combat Cyborg mode, she was able to help save people.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:30

And still that is an attack. I mean is an offensive power.

He ask when we see a Belkan user use a breaker attack, and I answer.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Sansker

Yes "breaker" is a very vague type of magic that can... break things. Like the other magic but this use to have it on its name.

No, to be precise, a Breaker type spell takes in all surrounding magic, even remnant magic of previously fires spells, and compresses it to ridiculous levels to release in one big burst. Huge amount of magic, huge stress on the body, but resulting in a one-hit table turner.

But I'm not surprised you didn't know this, the first proper explanation for Breaker type spells was during Miura's fight. You probaly skipped it.

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-03, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Sansker

And still that is an attack

So's a regular punch. What's your point?

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:33

That it as break on its name and that makes it a breaker attack. And that was what he ask. What that has to do with Belka and Mid being similar is beyond me but I went along with it.

Nanya01 · 2013-02-03, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Sansker

And still that is an attack

*Slaps face*

Urgh.

Obviously your distaste of the series is coloring your opinions.

It's not an attack in the traditional sense, Sansker, it's an ability that allows Subaru to basically screw with anything that's got cybernetics in their body.

As said in the sound stages, if Subaru had touched Cinque just ONCE, she didn't even have to punch Cinque, just touch her, then Cinque would have been splattered all over the place due to the VIBRATIONS that her I.S. was putting out.

Quattro: Oh, I'm sure it's quite lethal to non-cyborgs as well.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 16:35

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Originally Posted by Sansker

That it as break on its name and that makes it a breaker attack. And that was what he ask. What that has to do with Belka and Mid being similar is beyond me but I went along with it.

No, what I was asking was the Breaker type spell, and more specifically Belkan variants of such. None of which you provided qualify for that.

And it should be quite obvious what this has to do with Mid and Belka being similar, but I'll spell it out for you:

Belka does not have Breaker-type spells.

This means Breaker-type spells are unique to mid.

This means Mid and Belka have distinct differences.

This means Mid and Belka are not the same.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:48

Nanya, I am afraid you are mistaken. It is an attack, because it was use to attack others. What is so hard about it? I just put it there because it had breaker on its name and I was looking for breaker attacks. The nature of such attack as IS doesn’t escape I just didn’t consider it important. Beyond how is made it is an attack, there is no way around that fact. My personal opinion on the subject is irrelevant on this case. And for that matter doesn’t make sense is more dangerous to machines than humans as they say, I am sure our internal organs can’t resist the vibrations making them jelly either.

I know what an IS is, I was just playing a little joke on Keroko because he ask for a “breaker” attack and not for a spell with the breaker effect at first. So I am going to repeat myself: Belka and Mid are really similar. For starts the breaker effect is not really explain at all and just comes down as “being able to break a barrier” which a powerful enough spell can do it even if doesn’t have a breaker effect.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 17:14

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Originally Posted by Sansker

For starts the breaker effect is not really explain at all and just comes down as “being able to break a barrier” which a powerful enough spell can do it even if doesn’t have a breaker effect.

Nnnnope. A breaker-type spell is a specific spell-type, based around the principle of accumulatory cannonfire, it takes in all surrounding magic, even reusing remnant magic of previously fired spells, and compresses it to ridiculous levels to release in one big burst. Huge amount of magic, huge stress on the body, but resulting in a one-hit table turner. That's quite a specific definition.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 17:19

Wait, only the SLB ever uses that kind of acumulation effect.

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-03, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Sansker

Wait, only the SLB ever uses that kind of acumulation effect.

Nope, Miura's ultimate attack does the same thing, as a melee strike. Nothing of Belkan magic, however, does the same.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Sansker

Wait, only the SLB ever uses that kind of acumulation effect.

...yes? Because it's a breaker-type spell.

There's a difference between slapping "breaker" before or after the name, and a spell being an actual breaker-type spell. So far, SLB and Miura's Sword Draw are the only known breaker-type spells.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 17:28

I will be damn, it is... funny.

Wait, Miura's is not a breaker. Is a mana-collection-type blow, that doesn't collect magic and look more like a simple mana compression but whatever.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Sansker

Wait, Miura's is not a breaker. Is a mana-collection-type blow, that doesn't collect magic and look more like a simple mana compression but whatever.

Sansker... Nanoha literally says it's a breaker-type spell.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 17:36

She does?

When?

EDIT - Wait I read it again. She does call her that, but still the technique seems more like Fate's thing that Nanoha's and still uses more of a mana compression

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 17:51

No. Stop. Now you're outright saying what's being said and shown in the manga isn't happening and replacing it with your own warped vision. Don't.

We clearly see Nanoha calling it Breaker magic.

We clearly see her describing it as "taking in and condensing all surrounding magic power"

We clearly see magic flow from everywhere to a focal point.

We clearly see a massive compression.

No matter what kind of lies you try to cover this with, it. Is. Breaker magic. All it'd take for it to be an SLB is for Miura to fire it instead of kicking with it.

2013-02-03, 16:19	Link #2781
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	You say a Breaker attack and those have breaker on their name. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:21	Link #2782
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	It's not always connected. "Breaker" magic is a specific type of magic utilization. Subaru's IS isn't Breaker magic. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:26	Link #2784
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Yes "breaker" is a very vague type of magic that can... break things. Like the other magic but this use to have it on its name. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:30	Link #2786
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	And still that is an attack. I mean is an offensive power. He ask when we see a Belkan user use a breaker attack, and I answer. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:33	Link #2789
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	That it as break on its name and that makes it a breaker attack. And that was what he ask. What that has to do with Belka and Mid being similar is beyond me but I went along with it. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:26	Link #2783
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	IS doesn't even function the same way normal magic does in the first place, so it's impossible for it to qualify as Breaker magic. And Hayate's spell was specifically amended to have a mid childan circle in the DVD's, which clearly shows the intent was for it not to be a pure Belkan spell. So, current count of Belkan breaker spells: 0.

2013-02-03, 16:48	Link #2792
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Nanya, I am afraid you are mistaken. It is an attack, because it was use to attack others. What is so hard about it? I just put it there because it had breaker on its name and I was looking for breaker attacks. The nature of such attack as IS doesn’t escape I just didn’t consider it important. Beyond how is made it is an attack, there is no way around that fact. My personal opinion on the subject is irrelevant on this case. And for that matter doesn’t make sense is more dangerous to machines than humans as they say, I am sure our internal organs can’t resist the vibrations making them jelly either. I know what an IS is, I was just playing a little joke on Keroko because he ask for a “breaker” attack and not for a spell with the breaker effect at first. So I am going to repeat myself: Belka and Mid are really similar. For starts the breaker effect is not really explain at all and just comes down as “being able to break a barrier” which a powerful enough spell can do it even if doesn’t have a breaker effect. __________________

2013-02-03, 17:19	Link #2794
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Wait, only the SLB ever uses that kind of acumulation effect. __________________

2013-02-03, 17:28	Link #2797
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	I will be damn, it is... funny. Wait, Miura's is not a breaker. Is a mana-collection-type blow, that doesn't collect magic and look more like a simple mana compression but whatever. __________________

2013-02-03, 17:36	Link #2799
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	She does? When? EDIT - Wait I read it again. She does call her that, but still the technique seems more like Fate's thing that Nanoha's and still uses more of a mana compression __________________

2013-02-03, 17:51	Link #2800
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	No. Stop. Now you're outright saying what's being said and shown in the manga isn't happening and replacing it with your own warped vision. Don't. We clearly see Nanoha calling it Breaker magic. We clearly see her describing it as "taking in and condensing all surrounding magic power" We clearly see magic flow from everywhere to a focal point. We clearly see a massive compression. No matter what kind of lies you try to cover this with, it. Is. Breaker magic. All it'd take for it to be an SLB is for Miura to fire it instead of kicking with it.