2013-02-21, 10:29 | Link #181 | |
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If your Wiiu console died all your purchase died with it - no universal account in 2013.. The controller is just natural evolution of DS and touchpad already exist on vita. Do you expect them to blow all their load now? when there're still many event in the horizon? Sony patent tons of shit doesn't mean they will use them and this no used game rumour already exist since the beginning of PS3 Game reveal rather meh yes I agreed but no way the hardware and feature reveal is underwhelming. A lot of cool feature that I really liked - instant pause/save, helping your friend by taking control of the game etc etc So yeah I mostly disagreed with you
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2013-02-21, 11:53 | Link #182 | |
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Considering the whole previous gen games on the PSN, I'd expect re-buying games would be the pattern again. Though would be nice if they found a way to recognize the old games and then stream them without buying them again. Frankly I think they accomplished more than what I was hoping for. Revealed some games, confirmed things on the hardware, controller, and networking. A positive especially being that this will be easier for developers to get into and thus get the PS4 more games in the long haul. All this sets them up perfectly for future events like E3. Where they can go ahead and show the box, reveal the price, release date, and more games.
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2013-02-21, 12:32 | Link #186 | ||
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And 4K is meh, while it'd be good for projectors, for TV it's pointless. The vast majority of people will not have a TV of sufficient size to benefit from 4K. Just ask your friends and see what their wives think about them buying an 80"+ TV Not to mention how close one would have to sit to really tell the difference between 1080P and 4K, how many people want to sit 5 feet away from a 80" screen? Last edited by kyp275; 2013-02-21 at 12:49. |
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2013-02-21, 12:36 | Link #187 | |
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2013-02-21, 14:04 | Link #188 | |
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You cannot fight people perception about this kind of stuff, invent a useless new tech and a new word and the crowd will hype it. |
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2013-02-21, 14:18 | Link #189 | |
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But before 4K, I'd preffer my console games to run at 60fps on Full HD. It's REALLY weird how every game is rendered at different resolutions (Most are sub 720p) and TV Up/Downscalling just... screws with everthing
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2013-02-21, 15:02 | Link #190 | |
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Ok, let's just clear something up.
The system WILL have a BluRay drive, Sony has oficially gone on record with the tech specs and a BluRay drive is listed: Quote:
As for the price I don't expect it to be particularly expensive. You can spec, as a consumer, a similar powered computer with off-the-shelf components for about 600 USD I reckon. Committing up front to large quantities of the components and custom building some of them coupled with the usual bulk pricing will surely cut around half of that price. If Sony takes a slight hit on profits for the first year or so it seems quite possible to get it out the door with a reasonable enough pricing scheme competitive with the Wii U and the inevitable next console from Microsoft (Durango). Now to the bad news: Sony reps have been pretty reluctant talking about the used games situation so there's quite some cause for concern there. Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida is quoted as saying, when asked specifically if the PS4 will play used games, “We have to really name our system and services for that, to be able to explain more about it". That sounds to me like a clear indication that Sony is preparing some system to monetize second-hand sales. I don't have particular qualms with it since I buy most of my games new but I recognize the importance of the second-hand market to keep prices down. Couple that with the current widespread usage of network passes on the Vita and I have every reason to be apprehensive regarding this particular issue. Source: Penny Arcade Report There's also another statement by a Sony exec stating, when questioned about the availability of current PSN-bought games on the service being playable on the PS4, that Sony has the ability to eventually offer that. That was all they said coupled with a following statement via twitter saying users to expect "PS1, PS2 and PS3 games to be playable via the PlayStation cloud service". I'm not as apprehensive on this particular front because Sony hasn't been particularly user hostile with digital purchases in the past but as a owner of 3 portable Sony devices I can't say I was too thrilled to find out that the Vita counted towards the 2 device limit on games as a PSP (rendering one of my older machines unable to play PSN bought games). Given all that I can make a few predictions:
EDIT: Also, this just in - PS4 'doesn't support' current-gen DualShock 3 controller, does support PS Move
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2013-02-21, 15:52 | Link #191 | |
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I have no worries about the software being there since Sony usually good about that sort of thing (Vita's mishandling aside), but the biggest problem going from is what sent them into 3rd place this gen to begin with: "price point". I think consumers sent a pretty clear message about $600 consoles here, "no". |
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2013-02-21, 15:55 | Link #192 |
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The historical observation, is that the most expensive console loses the console war. Having high specs is important, but there is a thresh hold after which increasing processing power no longer bring in sales, but instead price itself out of the market.
"We are the most powerful console!" is nice on paper, but that never translates to sales by itself.
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2013-02-21, 16:06 | Link #193 |
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Indeed, and seeing Sony willingly repeat the same mistakes with Vita that they did with PSP but worse, doesn't give me high hopes they've actually learned anything. The PS1 and PS2 were perfect when it came to balancing tech and sensible price for their time, so I'm not sure what happened this gen.
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2013-02-21, 16:07 | Link #194 | |
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Expect a paywall too, like Live. You'll be able to get online, do multiplayer, and probably have some of the share features too. But to get the fancier stuff, expect heavy pushing to get customers to buy into PS+, or whatever they'll call it. Don't expect it to be the value it is now. As for the price point, the system is going to be 300 at a minimum, especially if it is launching this year. Those specs aren't cheap, even subsidized. Expect Sony to introduce, and MS to expand, contract based models to tempt people with poor financial judgement into long term monthly payments. 150 to buy the system, pay for years, company gets more than if you paid upfront. Upfront costs? I expect nothing less than 400, and more likely closer to 500. Sony can't afford to eat big losses on each console again, as the company is the brink of bankruptcy. Also include the extra costs. Controllers and other accessories, the increased costs of games, etc. We're heading back to the era of 70 and 80 dollar gaming, sadly, for the big budget AAA stuff at least. Buying a new system is going to be a big investment, no matter how you look at it.
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2013-02-21, 17:04 | Link #195 | ||
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2013-02-21, 20:13 | Link #198 |
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Same as with PS3, and older PS2, you should be able to swap them out. I can't see sony solder them directly on the the mainboard, nor did they mention a buildin flash memory, like Wii/Wii u or some of the 360s.
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2013-02-21, 21:18 | Link #199 |
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I'm a 360 fanboy. Or was.
I'll explain my course of gaming so I can come across a bit better with my message. My gaming started with a SNES, which later went on to a PSX which I enjoyed a lot and a N64. After those I got a Gamecube and an xbox later on. Xbox won me over the PS2 (which I never bought), so I stuck with the 360 when the PS3 vs 360 war came on. As the years dragged on (2006 buyer) I realized that XBL was a flawed closed system which severely limited me playing games I wanted. Besides it being a paid service... and PS3 offered the PSN and that "home" thingy which I found really... charming when hearing about it. Games like MAG and Dust514 which could NOT be replicated on the 360 due to the closed system of the XBL which is not even all that good made me seriously reconsider my next choice. But the PS4 announcement the other day completely made me go HNNNGGGGHHHH over it. I was just checking it out due to my gaming curiosity, but the PS4 has come out with a huge announcement and a lot of stuff which I'm still drooling over (using my tablet as another screen? win. Besides free interwebz) TL;DR: This 360 fanboy finds himself being extremely attracted to the PS4. (despite the HORRIBLE controllers you PS guys have to deal with. Honestly they are extremely small, I have a few friends with PS and It's a complete nightmare to get adapted to it. Dualshock 4 doesn't look like it made any big improvements either) *hands in his 360 fanboy credentials* *takes out his gamer credentials* Your move Microsoft. Make it count... Arty
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2013-02-21, 21:52 | Link #200 | |
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The jump to 4k is also much higher than 720P to 1080P @ 3840 × 2160. While useful for 30"+ PC monitors for extra screen real-estate, for consumer TV it has no tangible benefits until you start going to screen size of over 80". Funny, I always thought the xbox controller was too big. But then I do have small hands Last edited by kyp275; 2013-02-21 at 22:18. |
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