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Akiyoshi · 2013-03-30, 15:15

The same goes for Signum. Her knight clothing should go poof after Cypha skewered her.

Sansker · 2013-03-30, 15:19

The defenition in the Nanoha wiki does say that Barrier Jackets are "an extremely versatile and ubiquitous field-type defensive spell that summons a magical armor protecting a mage from external harm"

So, even with those cases we do seem mages which loses conscious lost their Barrier Jackets. Is something that the show has never been clear about.

Keroko · 2013-03-30, 15:36

Vivid actually gives us an explanation for this. When Vivio was unconscious after her fight with Miura, Chris kept her Barrier Jacket and adult form active as an emergency measure.

NorthernFallout · 2013-03-30, 15:45

Sansker, it was in the paragraph after your quote. It's related to the device, as Keroko said, independent of the user's mind.

Sansker · 2013-03-30, 15:49

However Nanya has a point on the Cradle. Cancel linking between mage and liker core then lose all magic and spells so their Barrier Jacket should vanish. Hey even if they are magically summon cloths they can be created and repair with magic so they are linked with it and they should disappear but that I have my own personal problem with AMF and magic beings.

So I take this as one of the shows inconsistencies. Barrier Jacket acting like regular cloth when need arrives. To be fair those are magic cloths but still.

Nanya01 · 2013-03-30, 15:55

Conservation of Matter, Sansker.

Clothes and devices are solid when they're in use, but they're stored via magic and powered up, via magic.

So, when magic is canceled, they go back to being normal staffs, wands, hammers, swords, clothes, but they're still solid.

After all, wasn't it stated that there's some sort of sub-space pocket?

Sansker · 2013-03-30, 16:06

Not that I remember.

But the thing is that Barrier Jackets are magical energy, so when their links are disrupted by the AMF field they should vanish because the magic linking that keeping it together is being block.

Rising Dragon · 2013-03-30, 16:07

They are not magical energy, they are magical creations.

Nanya01 · 2013-03-30, 16:08

Uh, no, it's not magical energy.

Wikis are not always your friend.

Again, if they were magical energy, then they would have fizzled in the Cradle or by an Eclipse or anything else.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-30, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Nanya01

Conservation of Matter, Sansker.

Clothes and devices are solid when they're in use, but they're stored via magic and powered up, via magic.

So, when magic is canceled, they go back to being normal staffs, wands, hammers, swords, clothes, but they're still solid.

After all, wasn't it stated that there's some sort of sub-space pocket?

Kind of what happens with shapeshifters in certains works of fiction?

Usually when a shapeshifter gets their powers stripped/cancelled or gets uncouncious it returns to their original form but in some other shows the shapeshifter is stuck in the form he/she was currently using until it recovers the use of it's powers (in some cases this don't happens and they get stuck forever in that alternate form).

Could be the same case with Devices and Barrier Jackets?

Sansker · 2013-03-30, 16:15

I don't really know but I still say the Barrier Jackets are energy. They are spells and while this show seems to imply mages can transform energy in to matter, I still see the Barrier Jackets as energy cloths. That is how they can repair it and made them look what they want.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-30, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Sansker

I don't really know but I still say the Barrier Jackets are energy. They are spells and while this show seems to imply mages can transform energy in to matter, I still see the Barrier Jackets as energy cloths. That is how they can repair it and made them look what they want.

To be fair it seems the shape of the Barrier Jacket/Kngiht Clothing-armor can only be chosen once and a more specific process is needed in order to change it again. So far no character has been shown to be able to change to appearance and shape of it's combat attire at will xDU

Sansker · 2013-03-30, 16:22

Because they don't feel like thinking on more than 2 or 3 sets of cloths for each character. But the idea that is hard to change your Barrier Jacket once you made it doesn't really hold ground for me. I mean I shaped once from my mind so why I can't do it again? Did I lost that part of my brain when I agree to it?

Rising Dragon · 2013-03-30, 16:22

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I don't really know but I still say the Barrier Jackets are energy.

*sighs*

Here we go again.

Keroko · 2013-03-30, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Nanya01

Uh, no, it's not magical energy.

Wikis are not always your friend.

Again, if they were magical energy, then they would have fizzled in the Cradle or by an Eclipse or anything else.

Wiki got nothin' to do with it, the manga clearly states Barrier Jackets are made out of energy fields and barriers. Cradle's just a plothole.

Probably the script said "and then the characters lose their magic" and the animators didn't realize that this meant Barrier Jackets should go poof as well.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-30, 16:27

It makes sense considering Raising Heart specifically asked Nanoha for her Jackets shape at the moment of her registration as a validate user. The Knights also told Hayate it's the work of the master to choose the form of the combat attire for the Wolkenritter.

So far the only times there are major changes in appearance is when thei combat attire is revised and unhaced to work with a new system (since StrikerS Nanoha's BJ have two modes in roder to work better with RH's different skillsets... in FORCE her barrier jacket is once again redsigned so the Fortress unit fit her better).

I wonder why only Nanoha's BJ has suffered major changes, as i've said sometime ago the lacking defense the Jackets and Knight attires offer against Eclipse should be enough motivation to improve their clothes as well as their weapons.

Keroko · 2013-03-30, 16:30

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I wonder why only Nanoha's BJ has suffered major changes, as i've said sometime ago the lacking defense the Jackets and Knight attires offer against Eclipse should be enough motivation to improve their clothes as well as their weapons.

Fate's did as well. Hayate didn't, but she has the excuse that her A's Jacket barely has had any screentime.

Nanya01 · 2013-03-30, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Wiki got nothin' to do with it, the manga clearly states Barrier Jackets are made out of energy fields and barriers. Cradle's just a plothole.

Where does it say that?

Besides, Keroko, that's not completely true that they're made out of energy.

As Aki pointed out, the Wolkenritter didn't have any sort of clothing at all until Hayate designed it for them.

There's also the AMF that was used in StrikerS. Remember how Wendi, Otto and Deed took out those members of the Bureau? They were still in their Bureau Barrier Jackets, not in civilian clothing and there were gadgets around.

Sansker · 2013-03-30, 16:31

Will be usless when you consider Dividers can, well, divide magical energy so all their magic defenses like the armors or jackets will be as good as their uniforms. Which seeing how they are equip with revival units, in the arm no less, might not be that bad.

But then again, as Keroko says, the Barrier Jackets are made of energy. Even if we ignore a direct reference we see them as light before covering their bodies and take form and, as say by RH, Nanoha did create that form so they are energy made in to cloths.

Also the TSAB soldiers wear armor as their uniform, so they don't cast Barrier Jackets.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-30, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Fate's did as well. Hayate didn't, but she has the excuse that her A's Jacket barely has had any screentime.

Oh yeah, i know Fate's BJ has gained several forms over the course of the years but i'm talking about FORCE. She's still wearing her "impulse form" jacket from StrikerS ...the only notorious change is her single ponytail replacing her twintails xD

2013-03-30, 15:15	Link #3101
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	The same goes for Signum. Her knight clothing should go poof after Cypha skewered her. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-03-30, 15:19	Link #3102
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	The defenition in the Nanoha wiki does say that Barrier Jackets are "an extremely versatile and ubiquitous field-type defensive spell that summons a magical armor protecting a mage from external harm" So, even with those cases we do seem mages which loses conscious lost their Barrier Jackets. Is something that the show has never been clear about. __________________

2013-03-30, 15:45	Link #3104
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	Sansker, it was in the paragraph after your quote. It's related to the device, as Keroko said, independent of the user's mind. __________________

2013-03-30, 15:49	Link #3105
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	However Nanya has a point on the Cradle. Cancel linking between mage and liker core then lose all magic and spells so their Barrier Jacket should vanish. Hey even if they are magically summon cloths they can be created and repair with magic so they are linked with it and they should disappear but that I have my own personal problem with AMF and magic beings. So I take this as one of the shows inconsistencies. Barrier Jacket acting like regular cloth when need arrives. To be fair those are magic cloths but still. __________________

2013-03-30, 15:55	Link #3106
Nanya01 Left for TFF Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Frozen Hell of the North Age: 41	Conservation of Matter, Sansker. Clothes and devices are solid when they're in use, but they're stored via magic and powered up, via magic. So, when magic is canceled, they go back to being normal staffs, wands, hammers, swords, clothes, but they're still solid. After all, wasn't it stated that there's some sort of sub-space pocket? __________________ My fics Due to certain things, I am not here, find me over on TFF.

2013-03-30, 15:36	Link #3103
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Vivid actually gives us an explanation for this. When Vivio was unconscious after her fight with Miura, Chris kept her Barrier Jacket and adult form active as an emergency measure.

2013-03-30, 16:06	Link #3107
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Not that I remember. But the thing is that Barrier Jackets are magical energy, so when their links are disrupted by the AMF field they should vanish because the magic linking that keeping it together is being block. __________________

2013-03-30, 16:07	Link #3108
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	They are not magical energy, they are magical creations. __________________

2013-03-30, 16:08	Link #3109
Nanya01 Left for TFF Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Frozen Hell of the North Age: 41	Uh, no, it's not magical energy. Wikis are not always your friend. Again, if they were magical energy, then they would have fizzled in the Cradle or by an Eclipse or anything else. __________________ My fics Due to certain things, I am not here, find me over on TFF.

2013-03-30, 16:15	Link #3111
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	I don't really know but I still say the Barrier Jackets are energy. They are spells and while this show seems to imply mages can transform energy in to matter, I still see the Barrier Jackets as energy cloths. That is how they can repair it and made them look what they want. __________________

2013-03-30, 16:22	Link #3113
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Because they don't feel like thinking on more than 2 or 3 sets of cloths for each character. But the idea that is hard to change your Barrier Jacket once you made it doesn't really hold ground for me. I mean I shaped once from my mind so why I can't do it again? Did I lost that part of my brain when I agree to it? __________________

2013-03-30, 16:27	Link #3116
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	It makes sense considering Raising Heart specifically asked Nanoha for her Jackets shape at the moment of her registration as a validate user. The Knights also told Hayate it's the work of the master to choose the form of the combat attire for the Wolkenritter. So far the only times there are major changes in appearance is when thei combat attire is revised and unhaced to work with a new system (since StrikerS Nanoha's BJ have two modes in roder to work better with RH's different skillsets... in FORCE her barrier jacket is once again redsigned so the Fortress unit fit her better). I wonder why only Nanoha's BJ has suffered major changes, as i've said sometime ago the lacking defense the Jackets and Knight attires offer against Eclipse should be enough motivation to improve their clothes as well as their weapons. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-03-30, 16:31	Link #3119
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Will be usless when you consider Dividers can, well, divide magical energy so all their magic defenses like the armors or jackets will be as good as their uniforms. Which seeing how they are equip with revival units, in the arm no less, might not be that bad. But then again, as Keroko says, the Barrier Jackets are made of energy. Even if we ignore a direct reference we see them as light before covering their bodies and take form and, as say by RH, Nanoha did create that form so they are energy made in to cloths. Also the TSAB soldiers wear armor as their uniform, so they don't cast Barrier Jackets. __________________