(L+CR) Overlord Season 3

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Since the episode is out, could someone touch on why Enri managed to pulled the feat of summoning an elite goblin army? I know part of it comes from her 'lvling'up her supposed summoner class by commanding the goblin and ogres and from managing the village as well. Anything else? And I suppose the redcap goblins are supposed to be the elite goblin class?

She had two horns. The first one was used up already. In the novel, it listed 3 conditions she had to meet before being able to summon an entire host of the Goblin Army (a very unusual sight, as Goblins in the NW are a disorganized lot). Unfortunately, the novels deliberately cut off an actual explanation but added that most Yggdrasil players discard the item as some low-level gimmick, never realizing what it could actually do.

Though this is probably the first time creatures from Yggdrasil pledged loyalty to a denizen of the NW.

- Tak

[blakstealth]

hohohoho, who knew the army would be lead by a Zhuge Liang-type of character lol. So much for a trash magic item. I wonder what the conditions were for Enri to summon so many frackin goblins!

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by Tormenk

lol Enri is going to be so annoyed to go from chief to general from now on. Plus she's suddenly got a large town to feed on top of her own village.

Since the episode is out, could someone touch on why Enri managed to pulled the feat of summoning an elite goblin army? I know part of it comes from her 'lvling'up her supposed summoner class by commanding the goblin and ogres and from managing the village as well. Anything else? And I suppose the redcap goblins are supposed to be the elite goblin class?

The LN doesn't say either. It's assumed that her gaining a level in Commander was one of them though... the others remain a mystery.

Redcaps are estimated to be level 43... so each is much stronger than a Death Knight

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by blakstealth

hohohoho, who knew the army would be lead by a Zhuge Liang-type of character lol. So much for a trash magic item. I wonder what the conditions were for Enri to summon so many frackin goblins!

According to the LN it's 3 conditions, but those conditions were not revealed.


Also it's ironic how the gate guard leader back in s3 episode 3 was actually correct that this is a great magic item - his price estimation was far off though. If people new about how the horn works, they'd paid, millions, maybe even billions of gold to get it.

Of course if one of the conditions was something like "must have used another 'Goblin General Horn' before", then that would be impossible.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by blakstealth

hohohoho, who knew the army would be lead by a Zhuge Liang-type of character lol. So much for a trash magic item. I wonder what the conditions were for Enri to summon so many frackin goblins!

When his description came up in the novels, I immediately went erm, isn't this... him?

Yeah, it was a rather funny realization.

- Tak

[GreyZone]

By the way, a single "red-cap" Goblin (they are lvl 43) is stronger than Gazef and also stronger than a Death Knight in most stats, although Death Knights still have better defense and have the zombie infection ability.

[Randrak42]

To be honest, a single Redcap would have been enough to kill the 5000 soldiers.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

To be honest, a single Redcap would have been enough to kill the 5000 soldiers.

And now Enri has an army that can single-handedly conquer the Kingdom, or even the Empire.

Oh, what a twist. Only yesterday, she was just a peasant.

It is also interesting that this entire army pledges their loyalty to Enri, but not Ainz's minions, or even Ainz himself.

- Tak

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by Tak

And now Enri has an army that can single-handedly conquer the Kingdom, or even the Empire.

Oh, what a twist. Only yesterday, she was just a peasant.

It is also interesting that this entire army pledges their loyalty to Enri, but not Ainz's minions, or even Ainz himself.

- Tak

Well, yeah. They were summoned by her. Ainz had nothing to do with it once he forfeited the horns.

That said, they are still not a threat to Nazarick even if they turned. A single guardian would demolish them all in an instant.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Tak

And now Enri has an army that can single-handedly conquer the Kingdom, or even the Empire.

Oh, what a twist. Only yesterday, she was just a peasant.

It is also interesting that this entire army pledges their loyalty to Enri, and not Ainz's minions, or even Ainz himself.

- Tak

...Not that it makes much difference. I mean even if the goblin strategist somehow deduced that Ainz orchestrated the earlier monster attack after listening to Enri and the others, he should probably also understand that it's not with malicious intent, since Nazarick could still easily wipe them out if they wanted to. Narberal alone could still solo the entire Goblin army, though the weaker pleiades might have some trouble. As for guardians or Ainz? Other than perhaps the paladins and redcaps, none of them could even penetrate their passive "complete damage annulment" for both magic and physical damage.

[blakstealth]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

By the way, a single "red-cap" Goblin (they are lvl 43) is stronger than Gazef and also stronger than a Death Knight in most stats, although Death Knights still have better defense and have the zombie infection ability.

Originally Posted by Randrak42

To be honest, a single Redcap would have been enough to kill the 5000 soldiers.

good lord.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

That said, they are still not a threat to Nazarick even if they turned. A single guardian would demolish them all in an instant.

Originally Posted by GreyZone

...Not that it makes much difference. I mean even if the goblin strategist somehow deduced that Ainz orchestrated the earlier monster attack after listening to Enri and the others, he should probably also understand that it's not with malicious intent, since Nazarick could still easily wipe them out if they wanted to. Narberal alone could still solo the entire Goblin army, though the weaker pleiades might have some trouble. As for guardians or Ainz? Other than perhaps the paladins and redcaps, none of them could even penetrate their passive "complete damage annulment" for both magic and physical damage.

Well of course the NPCs and even Lupusregina can solo (she said as much) the entire Goblin host. But outside of Nazarick, Enri is still currently the most powerful individual in the NW barring some Dragon Lords.

Power is power.

Still, the intent was for Lupusregina to guard the village, except she erm... well... took a break.

- Tak

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Tak

Still, the intent was for Lupusregina to guard the village, except she erm... well... took a break.

- Tak

You mean when she went after the prince? I don't think so. She specifically said that she just now thought of the idea with the Redcaps and then asked Ainz to summon them for her (they are not the same Redcaps that Enri summoned) for the purpose of chasing the prince down. Her words also imply that Ainz himself told her to kill the prince, since she herself wouldn't dare presume whether or not the prince is a part of "Ainz's plan" or not, at least not after the last scolding she received.

As for how Ainz knew that the prince was expendable? Probably due to the fact that Demi-Urge (I presume) didn't mention him in his plan as anything other than a killing target at most - and the fact that he would be in the way if they cooperated with Renner later.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

You mean when she went after the prince?

No, as in, she was supposed to be there to defend the village before the villagers had to flee and Enri using the goblin horn a second time.

But she didn't. She watched the whole thing going down while in stealth mode.

- Tak

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Tak

No, as in, she was supposed to be there to defend the village before the villagers had to flee and Enri using the goblin horn a second time.

But she didn't. She watched the whole thing going down while in stealth mode.

- Tak

That's not right either though. In the very episode Ainz said that he "doesn't care about the village". And he actually told her to "protect the four people", which are Enri, Nphrea, Lizzie (Nphrea's grandmother) and Nemu, so she did exactly as ordered, considering she said that she voiced her surprise about the Goblin Army when "standing right behind Enri".

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by Tak

No, as in, she was supposed to be there to defend the village before the villagers had to flee and Enri using the goblin horn a second time.

But she didn't. She watched the whole thing going down while in stealth mode.

- Tak

Correction: She was sent to protect 4 people... just four and that was it. While we didn't see Lizzy, it can be assumed that she was with the fleeing women and children... so had Enri not blown the horn, it was fairly obvious that Lupusregina would have appeared and obliterated the attacking soldiers.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

That's not right either though. In the very episode Ainz said that he "doesn't care about the village". And he actually told her to "protect the four people", which are Enri, Nphrea, Lizzie (Nphrea's grandmother) and Nemu, so she did exactly as ordered, considering she said that she voiced her surprise about the Goblin Army when "standing right behind Enri".

Originally Posted by Randrak42

Correction: She was sent to protect 4 people... just four and that was it. While we didn't see Lizzy, it can be assumed that she was with the fleeing women and children... so had Enri not blown the horn, it was fairly obvious that Lupusregina would have appeared and obliterated the attacking soldiers.

In the volume chapter depicted in this episode, Ainz never said he didn't care about Carne village, especially since he declared the village to be under his direct protection in Season I, and sent Lup to guard it. Moreover, it'd be very contrary to his plan for the village had he ignored it or acted otherwise.

In fact, Ainz didn't even appear in that chapter except being mentioned by Lupusregina. Then again, Lup's epithet is translated as 'Sadist with Smiling Mask'. She actually want to see the village burn, and said as much in a conversation with Ainz.

I've not watched the episode yet, so I shall check, later.

- Tak

[GreyZone]

The big question is whether or not the Ainz scenes in this episode are canon, as in "author approved", or not.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

The big question is whether or not the Ainz scenes in this episode are canon, as in "author approved", or not.

*Shrug*

As with most materials, once a studio adapts material to be animated, the result is the sole property of the studio, with or without author input.

Tomino bickering with Sunrise Studio regarding Gundam is a perfect example.

- Tak

[Rasty]

^^ I doubt it matters. It's just 90% comedy and from the comments there even in the LN Ainz knew about what was happening, so no real problem that could clash with future development.

^^^ Never read the LN, but as for this episode, he specifically told LL to protect the 4 people, so she did exactly that (more specifically than a good girl would do, but still obeying the orders). She would likely watch and enjoy herself to the last moment and just before the blade reaches Enri (or another one of the 4) she would come in, block it and proceed to massacre the poor soldiers.

As for Enri vs Nazarick. Ainz seems capable of summoning the Red Caps too, so with her strongest trump card offset (depending on the type of summoning Ainz might be even able to summon several times more Red Caps) she wouldn't stand any chance.