[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 6 Dawn of the golden witch

[Marion]

I agree with Chrono.

Remember, Hachijou didn't write the bottled letters for EP 1-2. Those were written by Maria's Beatrice, with the signature "Maria". This means that murders didn't happen and the fact there are two different stories written by the same person seems to suggest something important.

[Archer]

You can't say that this development didn't come out from nowhere, since the entirety of the Ep. 4 Tips was spent hinting at something like this. You should try looking at the Tips for Creator Witches and Beatrice's Titles and Grimoires again, as they reveal the most of the gameboard's nature.

[MeoTwister5]

Some more summaries. Taking a break before I continue.

Spoiler for Ep6 summaries:

- She enters the darkness and doesn't find it eerie. She instead feels warmth and familiarity in the darkness. She believes this darkness to be the inside of the true Beato.
- The darkness gains light and spins. She reappears in the mansion by the portrait. A second Beato appears.
- Jeebus from now on, Beato that was made by Battler will be known as Beato1, and the Beato that came from the portrait Beato2.
- Beato1 assumes the second one was born from the portrait. A twin of sorts. She seems to believe that if they become as one, they can become the true Beato.
- Beato2 wonders why there is someone with her face. She says she's the golden witch Beato. Beato1 also calls herself Beato, in service to Battler. Beato2 says her role is ruler of Rokkenjima at night. She doesn't have the mission to live for Battler. This is the Beato that people believe rules the island (shaped by the minds of believers?)
- Beato2 insists she doesn't want to be tied down to a mission/fate, that she wants to be independed and think for herself. Beato1 wants to learn from Beato2, and likewise.
- Most of the dialogue is hard to decipher as to who is talking because Beato is pretty much talking to herself. Generally speaking, Beato1+2 wants to learn how to be whole, how to find their purpose and how to understand it.
- Beato2 mentions the revival plan and how the killing must begin. Beato1 considers Beato2 an elder sister by onee-sama. They transform into golden butterflies and disappear into the darkness

- In the guesthouse, Shannon seems to have forgotten something I can't read. After that she starts to tell the ghost story of when she patrols the mansion at night.
- In the mansion, the Beatos talk. Beato2 asks if she understands the concept of the anti-magic toxin. Beato1 explains how the age of magic is long past, and how the continuous denial of humanity created the toxin. Basically everything we know about what the toxin does to magical creatures.
- She teaches her about how they are different from humans who cannot practice magic, and how she should not reveal herself to humans needlessly. Beato1 wonders if Battler is human because he has no poison, so to speak.
- Beato2 says magic should be used properly, and make humans believe in it, to eliminate the toxin.
- Beato2 supposedly wanders the halls at night to recover her magic and reduce the toxin by making people believe. They talk about the things she does at night to spook people. "Rome was not built in a day", obviously about persevering. She uses a key to open a window, or something.
- She says they are not originally of the island, and you could consider that "there is no one in the corridor right now", yet the window opens with the key. Make it look like it was magic. They talk more on the scribbles and such that is left behind to spook the servants.
- Flashback scene of Kumasawa freaking out. All this is done to convince people the witch exists.
- Beato2 hopes one day she can roam the island freely. She says to stick to the little things to slowly build up magic and existence. The servants are believing, all that is left is everyone else.
- Beato1 thinks there is no toxin in Battler because he believes in her. They both hope to become full one day.

- Ange and Featherine have a talk on... uh making something out of nothing. They talk about what the Beatos plan to do, and how such things would be interpreted. They ponder how you would see whether the witch really is doing those little spooky things in the mansion.
- Ange argues that if those little antics are true, then there should already be a witch in the mansion at night.
- The two Beatos continue their antics and disappear as golden butterflies.
- The narrator argues it could only be that someone just forgot to close it, or a servant or family member chose to open it themselves. Either way, you cannot discount those possibilities, and neither the possibility that a witch did really do it.
- Ange says the ways observers interpret can be infinite. Humans can imagine a variety of possibilities. Featherine says if you can imagine that a witch exists, then you can believe that a witch could have done it. She says that those two opening the window as witches is now a fact of the kakera (I'm not sure what she means). Ange calls it the "Vanity of Process".
- Ange mentions how a stuffed toy that is common can be transformed into into a fantastic toy due to being given with a mother's love is like small magic in itself. If you have doubt, the toxin removes the magic. Thus, magic is only real when you believe it is.
- Ange says not all magic is bad as Maria also believes. There is good magic. She restates that there is no Beato ruling the island at night, and what is happening is some other phenomenon people are assigning to Beato as the cause. Beato is the convenient generic excuse for the incidences. It is only in such an environment can the existence of Beato be believed in.
- ANGE SAYS THAT BEATO EXISTS ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE THINKS SHE DOES, AND THIS ALL ACCUMULATES IN 1986. THE BELIEF IN BEATO MASKS THE IDENTITY OF THE TRUE CULPRIT. THIS PERSON IS HUMAN.
- Featherine asks if she's simply going to omit Beato as a possibility. Ange is silent.

[ameskitty]

"Oh, very GOOD!"

It's almost thoroughly different from the rest of the episodes (by nature of course), and minus a few things (the usual quibbles with wordiness and annoying interruptions) I really, really enjoyed reading it, more than I remember enjoying the other episodes. But maybe that's because I went into spoiler near-isolation mode this time around.

Spoiler for EP6 long, scattered impressions - spoilers abound:

Hanyuu-tan...interesting. Not sure what to think about EP3-6 being her creations, but it's a really intriguing twist. It's all kind of a major mindfuck to be honest O__o. But her constant interrupting of interruptions of interruptions got really annoying, to be sure :/. If that made any more sense than it did sometimes in the VN .

I'll note that the creepy closed room scenes gathered throughout were one interruption that didn't annoy me. They were bone-chilling and just "raw scary". Nice foreshadowing, I'd say.

YAY CONFESSION! Geez, Kanon turned into a fricking pot of sappy deredere soup...Shannon is officially awesome for making him make my moe meter asplode like that XD.

But I should've KNOWN that an early confession from Kanon/Yoshiya would lead to some sort of whacked-out BS fest. Let's see - they've only been in a relationship for 12 hours and they have to prove their undying love to a pair of demons. ...yeah, that's just a bit over-the-top ridiculous, even for me. Sorry.

And God, those four got really ugly really fast...I understand the circumstances but I couldn't help losing a crapton of respect for George. I mean Jessica had to be possessed by a robodemon (holy eff that was scary, by the way) before she was even capable of killing (and she bawled after she did it), Kanon "mercy-killed", and Shannon killed in defense of her brother (...with defense...haha). But George just went all out and remorselessly killed his own mother. Not to mention all his blabbering about looking down on Battler and Jessica and fashioning himself in the "ladies-first" style. Hopefully I'm not the only person who thinks that he's kind of an ugly guy on the inside :/.

The duel was just...T_T. I'm with Moebeato - I don't really get why they're absolutely subhumans or why only one of them can achieve a good end (no, I do not like Shkanon, sorry). I was hoping that this episode would explain some of these furniture things but it only concealed them further. Frustrating indeed.

Oh, Erika...I really was wary about having her back, but Battler's restrictions made it tolerable. Her being a little more light-hearted at the beginning helped (CHOPSTICKS <3). But geez, she was just an awful bitchy troll as expected. I mean harassing a nine-year-old girl like that is just ridiculous. Not to mention her playing with the red text, deliberately hiding events, and trolling Battler (and how!).
Speaking of that, the one spoiler I accidentally came across (via Google webpage summaries bleh :/) was the wedding, and I immediately told myself it was fake and laughed. Should've learned from looking at the Natsuhi baby spoiler last time and thinking "haha, there's no way that could be true" .

That was one badass existence denial at the end. Were it not...3 in the morning...when I read that I probably would've yelled something like "OH BURN". But maybe I just hate Erika a little too much, hehe.

I don't know whether to be excited for this answer-checking heartless monster episode or not. I don't even know what to expect, to be honest (except for typical Bern-style heartlessness). I get the feeling that it won't be the last one, in any case.

Not much to say about Dual-Beato other than that it pretty much follows my (almost everybody's, I'd imagine XD) thinking about her - one half is the human existence and the other is her "legendary" existence, which combines to make the legend-pretending troll Beato we have now.

And about the red text...well, congratulations to the "kakera selection" theorists . That's a really interesting mechanism, that. Still kind of annoying that we still don't really know what gold text is yet, though.

[Leinne]

Originally Posted by the_rogue

"Oh, very GOOD!"

It's almost thoroughly different from the rest of the episodes (by nature of course), and minus a few things (the usual quibbles with wordiness and annoying interruptions) I really, really enjoyed reading it, more than I remember enjoying the other episodes. But maybe that's because I went into spoiler near-isolation mode this time around.

Spoiler for EP6 long, scattered impressions - spoilers abound:

Hanyuu-tan...interesting. Not sure what to think about EP3-6 being her creations, but it's a really intriguing twist. It's all kind of a major mindfuck to be honest O__o. But her constant interrupting of interruptions of interruptions got really annoying, to be sure :/. If that made any more sense than it did sometimes in the VN .

I'll note that the creepy closed room scenes gathered throughout were one interruption that didn't annoy me. They were bone-chilling and just "raw scary". Nice foreshadowing, I'd say.

YAY CONFESSION! Geez, Kanon turned into a fricking pot of sappy deredere soup...Shannon is officially awesome for making him make my moe meter asplode like that XD.

But I should've KNOWN that an early confession from Kanon/Yoshiya would lead to some sort of whacked-out BS fest. Let's see - they've only been in a relationship for 12 hours and they have to prove their undying love to a pair of demons. ...yeah, that's just a bit over-the-top ridiculous, even for me. Sorry.

And God, those four got really ugly really fast...I understand the circumstances but I couldn't help losing a crapton of respect for George. I mean Jessica had to be possessed by a robodemon (holy eff that was scary, by the way) before she was even capable of killing (and she bawled after she did it), Kanon "mercy-killed", and Shannon killed in defense of her brother (...with defense...haha). But George just went all out and remorselessly killed his own mother. Not to mention all his blabbering about looking down on Battler and Jessica and fashioning himself in the "ladies-first" style. Hopefully I'm not the only person who thinks that he's kind of an ugly guy on the inside :/.

The duel was just...T_T. I'm with Moebeato - I don't really get why they're absolutely subhumans or why only one of them can achieve a good end (no, I do not like Shkanon, sorry). I was hoping that this episode would explain some of these furniture things but it only concealed them further. Frustrating indeed.

Oh, Erika...I really was wary about having her back, but Battler's restrictions made it tolerable. Her being a little more light-hearted at the beginning helped (CHOPSTICKS <3). But geez, she was just an awful bitchy troll as expected. I mean harassing a nine-year-old girl like that is just ridiculous. Not to mention her playing with the red text, deliberately hiding events, and trolling Battler (and how!).
Speaking of that, the one spoiler I accidentally came across (via Google webpage summaries bleh :/) was the wedding, and I immediately told myself it was fake and laughed. Should've learned from looking at the Natsuhi baby spoiler last time and thinking "haha, there's no way that could be true" .

That was one badass existence denial at the end. Were it not...3 in the morning...when I read that I probably would've yelled something like "OH BURN". But maybe I just hate Erika a little too much, hehe.

I don't know whether to be excited for this answer-checking heartless monster episode or not. I don't even know what to expect, to be honest (except for typical Bern-style heartlessness). I get the feeling that it won't be the last one, in any case.

Not much to say about Dual-Beato other than that it pretty much follows my (almost everybody's, I'd imagine XD) thinking about her - one half is the human existence and the other is her "legendary" existence, which combines to make the legend-pretending troll Beato we have now.

And about the red text...well, congratulations to the "kakera selection" theorists . That's a really interesting mechanism, that. Still kind of annoying that we still don't really know what gold text is yet, though.

poor Erika, she is a real bitch, but that's because of her past, she wants to find a REAL truth after all in the real world

[ijriims]

Let me clarify how I think about Featherine and Hachijou:

1. Featherine was watching all the things happening from EP1-6 like us the readers. She did not influence anything, change anything at all, until EP6. She was a bystander from EP1-5. EP1-4 was games made by Beatrice. EP5 was by Lambda. EP6 by Battler.

2. Meta-Ange was supposedly dead in EP4. She did not know about EP5 initially. Of course, 1998-Ange did not know about EP5 as well. However, she only knew the content from the two letters-in-the-bottle. She did not know what was supposedly to happen in EP3 as well. In EP4, there was not Hachijou at all. She did not even know this person.

3. In EP6, Meta-Ange was waken up again, with implanted memory by Featherine that she planned to meet Hachijou one day before she got to Rokkenjima. Fabricated memory also included she wrote down additional fictional letters-in-the-bottle on the internet, elucidating what happened in EP3-5 (which EP4 1998 Ange did not know). In EP6, she acquired these additional information so in EP7, when she got on Rokkenjima, she would solve all the things.

[MeoTwister5]

Got to say it now before I forget:

Erika vs. Maria metaduel was awesome. Lots of props to Maria for holding her own, at least for a while. That Bitch is still a bitch though.

Summary later. I need to fix translation errors.

[Klashikari]

Although my connection burst was quite a curse for a long run, it sure helped me not to be spoiled, except few things (sprites so to speak).

Anyway, Episode 6 was quite a hellish ride, and although it sure has an hectic pace, it certainly was a proper follow up to Episode 5.

First, I must admit I was kind of disappointed by some stuff. First is how a lot of characters were basically -nearly- absent, due to the lack of screentime. This is particularly true for the witch side furniture (Virgilia, Ronove and Gaap barely had any action, and even with the climax, they were quite the gimmick support, unlike Ep5).
The second issue I got with Episode 6 is how the whole "love trial" was sidetracking the main plot, without any -real- impact on the latter (I mean, I liked the developments involving the 3 couples, but it sure didn't have much pertinent information for Battler's closed room of hell).

Anyway, I must say that the penultimate truths battle was a rollercoaster

Spoiler for extreme end spoiler, stay away unless you are prepared:

First, I cannot agree with Dlanor etc regarding Battler's "arrogance": I think Battler wasn't naive or arrogant here. He was simply honest, with perhaps a misplaced sportsmanship. But I don't think he looked down on Erika's situation at all. Thus, I couldn't help but got extremely pissed off when Erika was actually playacting her suffering regarding her loss of Detective authority. That really didn't buy any point, to the contrary)

That said, this setup managed to pull a giant roller coaster. I was quite pumped when Battler managed to break through the logic error, but then, Erika's red was merciless, but most importantly, beyond insanity.

The absurd fact she killed the other 5 herself, "neatly" decapitating them... With that new troll face, I couldn't help but wish she dies after 1000 revival done by Eva Beatrice. True story.

That being said, the whole mystery regarding the closed room and the sealed rooms were quite a headache.
I must admit I didn't find any fault regarding the room next to the cousin's room. That being said, I think there is an interesting loophole regarding Kanon in Battler's guest room.

We know that he "doesn't exist", yet, he did enter, he IS defined as "people", and 3 of them get through (Erika, Battler, Kanon). And thankfully, Beato confirmed that ALL names can only be used by those we know. So no inherited name, or convenient "similar name". Furthermore, since Shannon is trapped in the sealed room, there is no way the Shkanon is possible.

Anyway, since we got a definite count of number of humans on Rokkenjima, despite Kinzo's corpse is still there (talk about the rotting process), I guess we can again confirm "the dead cannot be counted".
By this definition, I think it is possible to drag again the theory of "the victim closed the door and died afterwards" that I thought for Episode 2. By this definition, it is rather the only explanation for the following red:
-only 3 people went to the guest room: Erika, Battler, Kanon
-The names refer to the person who they are designated to, no one can pretend to be someone else.
-Battler left the room, Erika and Kanon entered in.
-Battler was "rescued" by Kanon (definition: Battler opened the chain lock, left the room, then Kanon entered the room, put back the chain lock and hide somewhere). That doesn't mean if he saved Battler on purpose or not.
-There is no other way out (except the bathtube, which is not possible)
-Kanon "doesn't exist" in the guest room

So I think Kanon comitted suicide, or was killed a way or another (Erika's doing?)


The last riddle was quite a surprise to be honest. Not because of the "17 people on rokkenjima", but Erika's red.
She clearly state in red that there are 18 people. Because of this, there is no way there is any mistake, but again a silly word play done by Battler and Beato.
Why? Because the red truth is absolute, and there is no "subjective truth" in that concept: proof is that Battler was convinced Asumu was his mother, but couldn't repeat it in red that he is her son. By definition, if Erika was mistaken, she couldn't even say that sentence in red.
Therefore, there is really no way that both Erika's and Beato/Battler's red are applied to the same circumstances or basis.
Either the latter mentioned the number of people as "the present time on Rokkenjima", or the trick "there are 2 apple, while I have 3" still applies, since there is no "exactly". They simply said "including you, there are 17 people".

That or furniture doesn't count, which isn't exactly anything inspiring.

That being said, I really can't buy the whole Shkanon theory.

[MeoTwister5]

I personally still don't really believe in ShKanon, at the same time I can't deny how strong the possible clues are to this. For me it still feels like a cheap copout way to escape some fo the binding limitations of the red. That said I still have to give props to Ryukishi07 for giving very strong hints and indications to support this theory, however I have yet to see anything definitive for both sides.

I'm still on the fence regarding ShKanon at least, but I must say as of where I am now in Ep6 I'm finally able to go into the Anti-Magic camp.

Yeah you heard me. After almost 8 months on neutrality, MeoTwister5's finally choosing a side. I'm now Pro-Mystery.

[Kitsu]

Review time

Spoiler for long:

Okay this episode was....sad and had me cringe in my seat at times. I loved the charcter devolpment (except a bit of Kanon's .... so fast o.o). The beginning with Battler having a rage fit about Beatrice made me really mad. I felt so much pity for the new Beatrice that at first I just didn't wnat to undetstand Battler's standpoint. Of course it's understandable that he raged but I still felt more pity for the new Beato.
Kanon's 180 turn and his confession to Jessica was....in some way nice but in some a bit disturbing. When he started smiling I stopped reading for a sec and stared... It was abit too fluffy for my tast but well a nice change. One can't be emo all the time, huh?
Geoge saying how much he looked down on everyone was...nice. I liked it. It felt a lot like something a real person would do. It's isn't uncommon for the elder "sibling" to look down on the younger ones. Especially seeing that Geroge had always been praised so much. Of course looking down on someone isn't something that makes a character more likable. But realizing it and regreting it is. Seeing oneselfs own mistake and especially such a mistake and change that makes him a lot more likable to me.
The trials? Well...First let's talk about Shkanon(trice)
I will hope..I will hope until the truth is finally shown..and I will trust Ryukishi... I know that my trust and my hopes may get betrayed but...
How in name of Beatrice are we supposed to look at this game with love if in the end if Shkanontrice is true and at least two pairs of lovers will be shot down and all their devolpment and sappy moments will be for nothing!?! What kinda of farce would that be... it would be so depressing... I can already imagine how much pain that would mean to Jessica and George.
On the other hand I think the reason why this episode was so sad that it was painful to read for me was... from one point of view it would make sense...a lot of things would make so much more sense that it just seems so true. Even the double room mystery would make sense to some degree (except for the fact that George would have let his new fiance jump out of the window while a murderer is running around) A lot of things would make sense.
With Shkanon in the back of my mind the duel hurt a lot more and I don't think that I can liten to "life" and "loreley" anymore without cringing. Normally I don't get emotional about fiction but this time.. the countdown was so painful. The little flashbacks... why Ryukishi why??
I think if Shkannotrice deems to betruth I will really regret getting into Umineko. After Kinzo's death I really hoped that we wouldn't lose more pieces... I think without me noticing it I got attached to all of the characters and if for example Kyrie=Rosa were true I would rage the same way. (maybe no that much but still rage really really hard). I would even prefer magic to exist than Kshannontrice.
Oh and then there is the other side of my common sense that says this...
"HAhahaha...this for real..what kind of dumb thing is this!"
It's my down to earth oh I'm so cynical side. Could someone explain to me how Jessica could have fallen in love with a trap? Come on! You don't live with someone in the same freaking house for three years and don't notice that they never appear together (which is ever more unlikely since it was known that both got along quite well) and even worse you don't notice that he is a she! Maybe Jessica is blind or something. It doesn't matter if you say that is possible!! Kanon was described as really fragile/small/femine. Girls have a completly different body build up. And when I say that I don't mean their bust or shoulders but their stomach, their butt, hips, legs, arms, their hands etc. Especially at such a age the difference becomse pretty obvious. Sorry but somehow that just goes against simple common sense.
Not consindering this part of my common sense Kshannontrice makes to much snese for me.
Shannon never had such big boobs. They are faked because Battler once said that he liked blonde and busty. Therefore the Kanonpersona doesn't have so much promblems in hiding them. The duel makes sense, Kanon's corpse diassappearance would make sense. Shannon remembering his engrish. Kanon knows everything that Jessica tells Shannon. KAnon alsway popping out of nowhere when Shannon is in trouble. Beatrice appearing in front of them...it makes so much sense that it hurts.
Zepar and furfur also are quite obvious aren't they...everything is just so obvious and "In your face" that it feels "untrue" all of sudden. I don't believe in SHkanon...end of story I guess.

But one thing doesn't make sense anymore.
I'm detective Erika Furudo. I'm the 18 person
Including you there are 17 persons
One may argue that Erika is the 17 person with Shkanon being true but..she already stated in red that she was the 18th person there fore she can't be the 17. Right? Menas that there have to be 17 person except Erika running around of the island therefore Shaknnon isn't nessecary. No maybe impossible except there is a unknown Person X running around.

I lay my hopes into you Ryukishi...and if you betray them..betray them in an awesome way I can accept (let magic exist and create a body for all split persona..yeah...j/k) And in the mean time I'm searching for a solution that doesn't include Shkanon. You know I've always been Anti-Fantasy and I htink I'll alaways be that.

[Tjfarmer]

I'm waiting for Shkanon to be confirmed.

But it turns out, that they do both exists! Its just that one of them isn't on the island on October 4th and 5th, because the other told them to gtfo people are going to be killed....

Its Ryukishi, he could make it work! However unlikely (and very unlikely) it is.

[ijriims]

Shkanon theory? Erika non-existence theory? It is a false dilemma, there is no need to buy one of these two theories because there is a third option, which will save SayoXGeorge and YoshiyaXJessica at the same time.

Quoted from my post in Spec. & Spoiler thread.

Shannon and Kanon made a quarrel AFTER everyone (except Erika) came onto Rokkenjima on 4 Oct 1986, because Yoshiya now wanted to live on to be with Jessica, Yoshiya knew Sayo planned to execute real Beatrice's plan so he tried to stop Sayo. Sayo had no choice but to kill him. All these happened BEFORE Erika arrived.

So, Erika could be the 17th or 18th person on Rokkenjima.

Genji and Sayo hid this fact by claiming Yoshiya was still around. Kanon was a lie to hide Yoshiya's death. Genji and Sayo both shared the identity of Kanon at that time.

Erika never saw Yoshiya in person, however because all other people had seen him a while before, she also believed in Yoshiya's presence.

Sayo got out from her locked room to save Battler, through the window, at the time of Logic Error. She said Kanon did it, but the body was Sayo's.

In other episodes, since Yoshiya did not profess his love to Jessica, he did not revolt against Sayo and Beatrice, so they were two distinct people in other episodes.

Only in EP6 did Erika become the 17th person, in EP5, she were still the 18th person at the time of her coming to Rokkenjima.

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But whether you buy this or not, it is up to you. Or you discover the fourth option?

[Kitsu]

So, Erika could be the 17th or 18th person on Rokkenjima.

The problem here is. I'm detective Erika Furoda. The 18th person

[MeoTwister5]

The last riddle was quite a surprise to be honest. Not because of the "17 people on rokkenjima", but Erika's red.
She clearly state in red that there are 18 people. Because of this, there is no way there is any mistake, but again a silly word play done by Battler and Beato.
Why? Because the red truth is absolute, and there is no "subjective truth" in that concept: proof is that Battler was convinced Asumu was his mother, but couldn't repeat it in red that he is her son. By definition, if Erika was mistaken, she couldn't even say that sentence in red.
Therefore, there is really no way that both Erika's and Beato/Battler's red are applied to the same circumstances or basis.
Either the latter mentioned the number of people as "the present time on Rokkenjima", or the trick "there are 2 apple, while I have 3" still applies, since there is no "exactly". They simply said "including you, there are 17 people".

So... you're suggesting that both red text are valid insofar as they do not refer to the same moment in time in the island? Such that while there were 18 people on the island to satisfy the 18 upper limit, it becomes 17 at a later time to satisfy the new 17 upper limit?

Edit:

Here's the last summaries for today. I'm lagging behind everyone else who has finished the game so I'll try to pick up the pace. School starts on Monday so no guarantees...

Spoiler for Ep6 summaries:

Rokkenjima 1986
- Erika asks if it was just Shannon being careless. George defends her. Jessica is also angered at the suggestion by Erika that it was just someone pulling a prank.
- Maria says it was Beato opening it to enjoy the moonlight. Battler thinks it's too eerie to do all that just to scare people. Shannon says no one likes to patrol the kitchen now because of it. Erika asks who witnessed it and Shannon says it's related to a former servant. it is suggested that someone just did some pranks so propagate rumors about Beato the golden witch.
- Erika questions this notion much to Maria's dislike. She wonders if it's all just a bunch of people gossiping. She thinks they're deluded in thinking it was really Beato. Maria throws a fit.
- Erika asks Maria to tell her all about it in detail in a rather mocking tone. Maria claims to meet her everytime she's on the island. Maria starts to throwa real tantrum at Erika's inquiry. Erika wants concrete proof of the magic. Maria says magic is used to give her cake. Erika questions some more if she just had the cake in her pocket etc. etc.
- Discussion switches to how Beato put candy in Maria's cup. Erika begins to question everything. She wants the event reproduced to back up the claim. She shows a cruel piercing gaze at Maria. She seems to enjoy tormenting Maria.
- The others try to intervene. Scene switches to the metaworld.

MetaWorld
- MetaWorld version of Maria and Erika duke it out. Erika says the Mariage Sociere and Maria will be defeated.
- Dlanor arrives and suggests not to waste time with this. Erika demands that Dlanor fight.
- Erika begins by asking how the candy came. Maria says magic. Erika asks how the magic managed to do it. Maria claims the magic stick tapped the cup and it got full of candy. Maria says an incantation was said. Erika wants proof.
- Maria uses her magic to lift the cup and fill it and presents it to Erika. Erika looks and demands Dlanor start her counter.
- Maria says magic is magic. Erika says there cannot be magic. Erika says in blue that Maria is possibly telling a lie. Dlanor says Maria is obligated to respond.
- Maria says in red that this is a true story.
- Erika says in blue that there was a trick to the table and cup, and maybe it made you think it was the magic trick? Dlanor says that while Knox 3 disallows a secret mechanism out of the blue, Knox 8 allows it if there are clues to it beforehand.
- Maria says in red that there is no such thing, the table and cup are free of these.
- Dlanor invokes Knox 9, saying the observer is free to determine their own interpretation. Erika is free to interpret her view of the imposter criminal who was seen(?). She insists her own view of the truth that differs from Maria.
- Maria says this is magic and cannot be seen through. Erika mocks her by saying since magic is magic, only witches can use it? Maria agrees. Erika flips it over by saying that if she can do it, then it must not be magic. Maria says Erika cannot use it. Erika says she will recreate it and Maria says it will all be useless for her.
- Erika begins to try and redo the filling herself. Erika mockingly recreates with the incantation, and Maria closes her eyes. She says she's protecting herself from the toxin. When a human tries, it is necessary for witches to close their eyes.
- Erika mocks her again. She asks Maria to open the cup. Maria claims it is useless again.
- Maria open the cup and finds candy inside. She is in disbelief.
- Erika exclaims in blue that she opened the cup and placed the candy while Maria closed her eyes (what a bitch). Is this magic? It is third rate trickery giggle giggles.
- Erika exclaims in red that the magic of candy that Maria says is trickey. It is trickery in the same way as claiming Beatrice is a witch who did it.
- Erika claims in blue that Maria is not aware of the trickery and thus is convinced it was magic.
- Erika attacks with the blue but is blocked by Sakutaro. Sakutaro says in blue that while it was Erika who tricked Maria by putting in the candy while she wasn't looking, it does not prove that Beato's magic is also trickery.
- Erika counters in blue saying that it proves a method to do it exists that isn't magic.
- Dlanor and her servants stop the fight. Sakutaro insists in blue that the existence of trickery does not disprove magic. Dlanor seems to think the magic side is breaking?
- Dlanor says the witch's side tries to prove magic by insisting that no other method other than magic can do it. Erika manages to prove another method, but the witch side insists it does not disprove magic.
- I'm not too sure why exactly Dlanor stops the fight. Erika is irritated and tries to hit Dlanor, but it seems her army instead hurts Erika.
- Sakutaro asks that the match be ended on "diplomacy". Dlanor and servants agree, and Dlanor seems to suggest not to waste time on "small fry".
- The game is called off as Erika laughs. Maria and Sakutaro both cry as they are left alone there. They're trying to keep themselves from doubting Beato's magic. Maria weeps bitter tears in the rain. Sakutaro tries to comfort her.

By the way if this duel doesn't cement Erika's status as a Bitch, we're not playing the same series.

Edit 2 - Oops forgot the red and blue

Spoiler for Red Text:

- Maria: This is a true story.
- Maria: There is no such thing, the table and cup are free of these.
- Erika: The magic of candy is trickery. It is trickery in the same way as claiming Beato is a witch that did it.

Spoiler for Blue Text:

- Erika: There is the possibility that you are telling a lie
- Erika: There is a trick to ther table and cup, and it maybe what made you think it was a magic trick?
- Erika: I opened the cup and put the candy inside while you closed your eyes. Is this magic? This is third rate trickery hahahaha!
- Erika: You were not aware of the trickery and thus was convinced it was magic.
- Sakutaro: While you did put the candy in while she wasn't looking, it doesn't prove that Beato's magic isn't trickery.
- Erika: it proves a method other than magic exists.
- Sakutaro: the existence of trickery does not disprove magic.

[sona-nyl]

But was the red: Including Erika There is 17 people on Rokkenjima, Including Erika There are no more than 17 people on Rokkenjima or Including Erika there are only 17 people of Rokkenjima because if it was written in the first way it means that it still can be 18 people, since red truth is subjective I can say: I have two apples when I actually have five since I have several apples.

[Kitsu]

The sentence I got
Including you (Erika) there are 17 people on Rokkenjima
BUt I don't know for sure since my japanese sucks badly

[MeoTwister5]

How about someone post the exact Japanese of that and let's all have a go at it?

[TheForsaken]

そなたを迎えても
１７人だ。

Even if include you, it is 17.

[Golden Witch Drugs]

REVIEW TIME~ (I was up all night reading and then I woke up at 4 pm today -.-') Now I just have to wait for the patch to be sure I read everything right

Spoiler for EP 6:

Hmm... I have alot of thoughts on this episode. So I'm just gonna go ahead and write them out.

Character development:
It was really awesome seeing all this character development. I didn't like Battler at all in beginning, I was like: Battler=Kinzo. But later on I actually felt some pity for him, since he did everything because of love :< And um... This whole Shkanon thing was just... Too much my kanji reading head to understand xD So I can't give a proper review of that now. And seriously, George and Jessica made my day ;D I always knew they hade a L5 side in them. Still, they were so evil D:< And uhh.. Moetrice is so yummy~ But I really do miss the original Beato... Oh well, she better come back. Oh yea, and has anyone noticed Sayo=34? Yeaaaaaaaaaa

New characters:
Featherinne - Seriously. Best. Character. Ever. I like her even more than Evatrice (Sorry Evatrice D I'm not sure why, really, but something about her was so mysterious that I had to love her....... Probably the horns. Anyways, this whole thing about her knowing Bern is seriously a trap, I think. I mean c'mon people! She's not auau at all! And even though alot of people are going to be like "She's soooo Hanyuu" I think that Ryukishi is trolling us.
Zepar and Furfur - I love these guys Oh yea, and there was someone who posted something like this on Youtube: Furfur is definitly the female one, and she definitly represents Shannon since she is ranked the 34'th demon. That is pretty damn cleaver. Anyways, I love these guys

Story:
I cried so much during this episode. Seriously, Kanon and Shannon... I hate you so much D:< I hate George and Jessica too, but not that much. And yay Ange~ And who the fuck was that dark room person? I never got a grasp on that. Anyways, as Kitsu said, this episode sure made alot of sence for Shkanontrice. And seriously, I hate that idea. That would ruin everything. Otherwise, this whole Beatrice revival thing was actually pretty good. I cried alot. Oh yea, and Erika getting her existence denied... YEA!!!!!! HELL YEAAA!!! > Ehum... Yes... Anyways, I liked this episode... I think it goes something like this for me.

1. Ep 1
2. Ep 6
3. Ep 3
4. Ep 5
5. Ep 2
6. Ep 4

New BGM's:
I loved them all. Especially the new liberated liberator and Zepar and Furfur's theme

Overall impression:
I really liked this episode. Even though I started hating some characters, I think this really was an interesting episode. And I really hope that ep 7 will clear some more things up.
I would give this episode a 7 out of 10.

[Augustus]

Originally Posted by Kitsu

The problem here is. I'm detective Erika Furoda. The 18th person

If she used those same words. She is the 18 what? She never said 18th person on rokkenjima.Even if she said it she doesnt specify what 18 person.

If dead people dont count then the number of people in rokkenjima must go down.Everytime a twilight is performed.