Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

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[Miraluka]

"Shikatanaika"


That must be the first reason many look forward this episode.

[Raxnom]

Spoiler for ep17:

Inaho speaks with captured Count and befriends him.
Prison Break.
Slain challenged to duel by one of the duo Counts.

Highlights of episode for me. Quite dialogue heavy episode.

[konart]

Originally Posted by Miraluka

"Shikatanaika"


That must be the first reason many look forward this episode.

"Shikata nai ka". But as a russian - "Shikatanaika" sounds awesome

[Death Usagi]

I was right, Mazuurek is actually a good guy and different from the other Vers Knights.

Glad there is a character like him. It makes things more interesting than seeing arrogant Vers Knights being so full of themselves =w=;

Some good Rayet moments. Loved the moments with Inaho where they were like "You are Wrong x10" XD

Also, Lemrina's limits to disguising herself as Asseylum is pretty much showing lol.

[Stark700]

Inaho is taking a risk there but I think it will pay off with their mutual trust. Kinda looking forward to the duel next time. Also, I really wonder if Rayet will ever overcome her hate for the Martians.

[bakato]

Things are beginning to look up.

[ImperialKnight]

Originally Posted by Stark700

Inaho is taking a risk there but I think it will pay off with their mutual trust. Kinda looking forward to the duel next time. Also, I really wonder if Rayet will ever overcome her hate for the Martians.

Makes sense though.

At this point it's only a matter of time before the UEF are overwhelmed and Asseuyum is the key to all this.

Plus he's not asking him to betray his fellow martians but to get behind the conspiracy.

[Jerseykid]

even inaho interrogating a prisoner is cool

[QS_Bilal]

Inaho.. just go die in a fire. Now he is ruining Slaine's long term plans for reform, equality and peace. Good job idiot. Anywho, glad to know the Orbital Knights are not all total manics. Maybe Mazuurek will become a powerful, trusted ally for Slaine or at-least a voice of reason. And I hope that analogy to birds and Asseylum isn't true.. that would be batshit crazy even in my book.

I feel like Slaine has evolved over local reasoning level to go towards global reasons as to his actions (and making tough sacrifices along the way) whilst Inaho still thinks like a typical teen (complete objective A then B.. I did this because I am ordered to or feelings of survivors' guilt etc.), albeit for good reason. Just that his prominence doesn't bode well.. you cannot become a master/super? strategist and marksman overnight (English doesn't even have the word for it) while people training all their lives drop like flies and think like door nobs compared to you. Slaine is still partially bearable as he grew in an intensely brutal War/training environment. But he still doesn't pull-of Inaho-lvl (better word) mental/physical acrobatics, which is what makes him balanced and as a result great.

[Raziel1991]

Originally Posted by QS_Bilal

Inaho.. just go die in a fire. Now he is ruining Slaine's long term plans for reform, equality and peace. Good job idiot.

Why should Inaho care about reforms in Vers? And so far Slaine does not look like he cares for peace at all. By the way the scene with Slaine talking about birds was creepy as hell.

[Tchadnis]

Originally Posted by Raziel1991

Why should Inaho care about reforms in Vers? And so far Slaine does not look like he cares for peace at all. By the way the scene with Slaine talking about birds was creepy as hell.

so right basically , the Princess is his bird in cage ... because she is beautiful , creepy level over 9000

[Utsuro no Hako]

Interesting that one of the knights used the caged bird metaphor right after Slaine did. Is Little Miss Eddelrittuo betraying Slaine?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by QS_Bilal

Inaho.. just go die in a fire. Now he is ruining Slaine's long term plans for reform, equality and peace.

LOL Slaine can care less. Slaine's long term objective is to cage Asseylum for himself.

Peace? He has abandoned Asseylum's principles.

While Inaho's objective is to free Asseylum.

[foxbox360]

Originally Posted by Raziel1991

Why should Inaho care about reforms in Vers? And so far Slaine does not look like he cares for peace at all. By the way the scene with Slaine talking about birds was creepy as hell.

All Inaho care about is saving his girl, the princess and protect his friends. Beside its better than doing nothing when he spoke to his sister. Him using that knight as his spy is a brilliant move on his part. Right now Vers is beginning to splinter because the false princess is make her own choices behind Slane back and the other knight is challenging him to duel. How this duel end will reflect his image within Ver because he might be making more knights into his enemies.

[Irenesharda]

The plot thickens...

So, Inaho's plan is to use Count Mazaruuk as a spy while inside Vers. He's wants to rescue the princess and find out what Slaine is up to. Unfortunately, Asseylum is in a coma and hanging on by dear life and therefore is unable to be rescued as of right now. Mazaruuk is going to probably try to become allies with Slaine and get his trust in order to find out what happened. However, for a guy that get led around so easily, I have a feeling that Slaine will outsmart him eventually.

However, right now, Slaine is having to deal with annoying factors on both sides, including Lemrina wanting to assert her own authority which goes against his own goals, and the fact that Count Marylcian just can't stand some filthy Terran be in a position of power, and so he foolishly challenges Slaine to a duel.

Now you know that guy is setting himself up to die, so I have no fears for Slaine. I'm wondering more as to what will happen with the Mazaruuk angle and if Inaho and Slaine can find some common ground. Inaho doesn't know about Slaine's plan, and his main objective is to rescue the princess, but there is so many things going on that have to deal with that. There is also the fact that Lemrina is becoming a handful and will become dangerous to his plans in the long run if he can't keep her under control.

We also get some interesting things going on with the Earth side, the reunion of Inaho and Yuki doesn't go so well, but there seems to be a spark between Marito and Darzana. Rayet and Inaho have some good chemistry as she again has to deal with her Martian roots and her hatred for them and herself. Even Inko has a bit going on, with the fact that she know what Inaho did and doesn't know why.

Well, next week, looks to be the showdown between Slaine and Marylcian. I can take a guess how that we'll end , but I have no doubt that Slaine will end up having more allies than enemies by the end of it.

[QS_Bilal]

Originally Posted by Raziel1991

By the way the scene with Slaine talking about birds was creepy as hell.

I have to agree.. I don't want to believe it.

Originally Posted by Raziel1991

Why should Inaho care about reforms in Vers? And so far Slaine does not look like he cares for peace at all.

Well, this turn could into a long political debate but at the end of the day, Humanity on Earth (or the Earthborns) will be annihilated for the simple fact that the Orbital Knights are superior in every regard (no comparison in military). The only reason extinct isn't in full swing is restraint on their part. Therefore, the political climate needs to changed on their home-front to prevent further escalation of the war. Slaine understands this (and other stuff), and therefore is attempting the realistic solution (so it seems so far) to stop the many idiocracies of the Vers Empire and prevent rivers of blood from flowing (which is Inaho's and everyone elses' solutions), because if the War continues as it is now that is exactly what will happen. Political reform is the only solution (why do you thing Nazi Parties are still rein-downed around the world, especially in Europe. Brute force only goes so far, reform is always needed and maintained at regular intervals), going with things now will sure create bloodshed in the short-term, but in the long run, Billions are saved. To be fair, Inaho didn't do something wrong given the knowledge he knows now but we know better unfortunately (here's hoping hoping Maaruak is rational and plans aren't wrenched).

[Marina2]

We get a confirmation that Eddelrittuo is fully aware of whatever Slain's objective is. (and she seems approve it???)

BUT Lemrina doesn't seem to please with it...

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

The plot thickens...

So, Inaho's plan is to use Count Mazaruuk as a spy while inside Vers. He's wants to rescue the princess and find out what Slaine is up to. Unfortunately, Asseylum is in a coma and hanging on by dear life and therefore is unable to be rescued as of right now. Mazaruuk is going to probably try to become allies with Slaine and get his trust in order to find out what happened. However, for a guy that get led around so easily, I have a feeling that Slaine will outsmart him eventually.

However, right now, Slaine is having to deal with annoying factors on both sides, including Lemrina wanting to assert her own authority which goes against his own goals, and the fact that Count Marylcian just can't stand some filthy Terran be in a position of power, and so he foolishly challenges Slaine to a duel.

Now you know that guy is setting himself up to die, so I have no fears for Slaine. I'm wondering more as to what will happen with the Mazaruuk angle and if Inaho and Slaine can find some common ground. Inaho doesn't know about Slaine's plan, and his main objective is to rescue the princess, but there is so many things going on that have to deal with that. There is also the fact that Lemrina is becoming a handful and will become dangerous to his plans in the long run if he can't keep her under control.

Well, next week, looks to be the showdown between Slaine and Marylcian. I can take a guess how that we'll end , but I have no doubt that Slaine will end up having more allies than enemies by the end of it.

Led around? Inaho busted his ass out and let him go with no guarantees as to whether the count would keep his word. He's definitely earned his trust.

I think this duel will show us whether Slaine's still a good guy or not.

Originally Posted by QS_Bilal

Well, this turn could into a long political debate but at the end of the day, Humanity on Earth (or the Earthborns) will be annihilated for the simple fact that the Orbital Knights are superior in every regard (no comparison in military). The only reason extinct isn't in full swing is restraint on their part. Therefore, the political climate needs to changed on their home-front to prevent further escalation of the war. Slaine understands this (and other stuff), and therefore is attempting the realistic solution (so it seems so far) to stop the many idiocracies of the Vers Empire and prevent rivers of blood from flowing (which is Inaho's and everyone elses' solutions), because if the War continues as it is now that is exactly what will happen. Political reform is the only solution (why do you thing Nazi Parties are still rein-downed around the world, especially in Europe. Brute force only goes so far, reform is always needed and maintained at regular intervals), going with things now will sure create bloodshed in the short-term, but in the long run, Billions are saved. To be fair, Inaho didn't do something wrong given the knowledge he knows now but we know better unfortunately (here's hoping hoping Maaruak is rational and plans aren't wrenched).

That's ridiculous. It's clear that Slaine's inching towards the dark side and growing ever more arrogant. Not to mention just plain creepy. I have no doubt that his plans will benefit Vers as a whole, but it will also result in the near extinction of the Terrans. While justice may also be on his side, this is by no means a conquest because justice is also with the Terrans for defending themselves. That is why this is war.

I believe Inaho also cares about Vers. Not because he actually understands their problems, but because he cares about Asseylum and therefore her world by extension.

As for the odds of victory, all is not lost. Don't forget that Earth is now in possession of Mazaruuk kataphrakt. Damaged but with an Aldnoah in one piece. It would be simple for Inaho to activate it.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

LOL Slaine can care less. Slaine's long term objective is to cage Asseylum for himself.

Peace? He has abandoned Asseylum's principles.

While Inaho's objective is to free Asseylum.

Even Inaho would know to keep Asseylum right where she is, she's on life support and in a coma. You're not going to move her. The problem is, he doesn't know where she is, so he has to come to his own conclusions.

And really Slaine is accomplishing Asseylum's dream, but he's doing it in a more realistic way than what she would want. Asseylum was a girl who has no idea about the dark and twisted nature of her own people and it burned her in the end. Slaine knows all about how dark and evil her people can be, and he knows that in order to change anything, you have to start with Vers. If not, eventually the war will happen again, either now, or 15 years from now.

Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako

Interesting that one of the knights used the caged bird metaphor right after Slaine did. Is Little Miss Eddelrittuo betraying Slaine?

Originally Posted by Tchadnis

so right basically , the Princess is his bird in cage ... because she is beautiful , creepy level over 9000

Umm, did anyone just forget that the girl is basically in a level 1 coma? What exactlly is he supposed to do? Turn the life support of and let her die on a table? Yeah, she'll be free then alright, free from living that is...come one guys.

And remember that the Eddelrittuo has always been loyal to Asseylum first, she hated Slaine in the beginning. Do you really thing that she would allow her to be put into a "cage" if it wasn't necessary sorta-speak?

Originally Posted by Raziel1991

Why should Inaho care about reforms in Vers? And so far Slaine does not look like he cares for peace at all. By the way the scene with Slaine talking about birds was creepy as hell.

Umm, I think Inaho would care if he ever finally got to see the whole picture. Right now, his view is narrow and he can only see from his POV. He needs to see what's going on with Vers and how that will affect the earth.
And how was the scene creepy? He was teaching Eddelrittuo about Earth in the only place that he can be himself, which is in Asseylum's chamber.