Banana Fish (Noitamina)

[Kanon]

Ash went all Rambo on those guys' asses. He even seemed more muscular than usual.

The doctor deserved far worse than the quick death he got, but it's not like Ash is a sadist and he didn't have a lot of time anyway. Sadly, it looks like we're heading for the misunderstanding road with Shorter's gang. A misunderstanding that Yut Lung will no doubt make use of. Found it interesting that Yut lung is purposely withholding information from his eldest brother. He's probably planning to pit his two brothers against each other.

[Wandering Soul]

I was really hoping we could avoid a conflict born due to miscommunication, but sadly that's not the case.

[Ernietheracefan]

It's satisfying to see Abraham getting paralyzed by Yut-Lelouch & killed by Ash..

[Kanon]

It was nice to have an episode with a little less tension than usual. Mainly Ash and Eiji bonding and Ash making preparations for the war against Arthur and Dino. He already dealt Dino a pretty good blow.

[MetaKite]

Originally Posted by Kanon

It was nice to have an episode with a little less tension than usual. Mainly Ash and Eiji bonding and Ash making preparations for the war against Arthur and Dino. He already dealt Dino a pretty good blow.

Much needed break. I'm sad about a couple things that got cut from the manga (silly cops under estimating Ash and why Ash started calling Max "dad") but understand the time constraints. I'm hoping a couple things skipped will be included in the next episode before the showdown in episode 13.

[MetaKite]

Wow, no comments on Ash's revenge spree with his gang?

[Kanon]

That's indeed quite the killing spree Ash went on. In fact, it was pretty much slaughter. He killed unarmed people who had already surrendered. It seems like he's come back to his senses now though.

[MetaKite]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That's indeed quite the killing spree Ash went on. In fact, it was pretty much slaughter. He killed unarmed people who had already surrendered. It seems like he's come back to his senses now though.

Ash went off the deep end. I'm sad they left out the rest of the conversation he had with Eiji by the seaside. The Snows of Kilimanjaro tale he tells is very important to the future plot and his character development. This is the first time I am legitimately disappointed with this anime adaptation.

[Haak]

Originally Posted by MetaKite

Wow, no comments on Ash's revenge spree with his gang?

To be honest, I'm more interested in the political scandal happening in the background. Usually I feel like these kinda plotlines are way off the mark, but I feel like this one is a little closer to reality (though still a little outlandish).

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That's indeed quite the killing spree Ash went on. In fact, it was pretty much slaughter. He killed unarmed people who had already surrendered. It seems like he's come back to his senses now though.

Well, what else was he going to do with them?

[Psyco Diver]

Originally Posted by Haak

To be honest, I'm more interested in the political scandal happening in the background. Usually I feel like these kinda plotlines are way off the mark, but I feel like this one is a little closer to reality (though still a little outlandish).

Not really far off the mark, USA tried developing drugs to do the same thing in the 50s, 60s and 70s. The old USSR supposedly did the same thing

[Haak]

Okay, about 40 years off the mark to be precise.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Well, what else was he going to do with them?

He could have asked Charlie a favor and have them locked up for carrying illegal weapons or something. Didn't even need Charlie, he's smart and capable enough to frame them. They wouldn't have been out of the picture for all time but long enough for him to deal with Arthur.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

He could have asked Charlie a favor and have them locked up for carrying illegal weapons or something. Didn't even need Charlie, he's smart and capable enough to frame them. They wouldn't have been out of the picture for all time but long enough for him to deal with Arthur.

That's all kinds of dubious. If the police could just snap their fingers and arrest gang members, would there still be gangs?

[MetaKite]

Originally Posted by Haak

Okay, about 40 years off the mark to be precise.

You sure about that? Remember this is an anime based on a manga from 1985 (I was 7 back then, how old were you?) and that's not far from the 70s is it? I think too many new viewers and readers forget the story has been tweaked for the 2010s. Ash mentioned the Middle East in the conspiracy when originally in the manga it was Central America. Specifically in real life, it was this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra and a little bit of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_in...ne_trafficking. This link has a few more examples. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethi..._United_States. That's just the stuff that's public knowledge.

[MetaKite]

Originally Posted by Kanon

He could have asked Charlie a favor and have them locked up for carrying illegal weapons or something. Didn't even need Charlie, he's smart and capable enough to frame them. They wouldn't have been out of the picture for all time but long enough for him to deal with Arthur.

And the mafia backing Arthur's gangs would then do what with corrupt cops among them like the one that showed Ash his child porn video? Ash has some seriously deep rooted mental issues but going to the police for help was not feasible. Charlie hasn't done much and he's around way less in the anime than he was in the manga. Ash is still also wanted by the police since escaping Charlie's custody after he got out of jail. In fact he is a wanted violent criminal in connection to all the gang violence happening. So I don't see how Charlie could help him without arresting him on sight.

[Haak]

Originally Posted by MetaKite

You sure about that? Remember this is an anime based on a manga from 1985 (I was 7 back then, how old were you?) and that's not far from the 70s is it? I think too many new viewers and readers forget the story has been tweaked for the 2010s. Ash mentioned the Middle East in the conspiracy when originally in the manga it was Central America. Specifically in real life, it was this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_in...ne_trafficking.

I haven't forgotten. That's precisely why I said i think it's 40 years off the mark.

[MetaKite]

Originally Posted by Haak

I haven't forgotten. That's precisely why I said i think it's 40 years off the mark.

Then what exactly are you complaining about if you know the story is tweaked/updated? Also, how do you know this sort of thing isn't even happening today? How can you be so certain it's off the mark?

[Haak]

I was simply stating a fact, I wasn't really complaining.

As for how I know this sort of thing isn't happening...well it's not for me to prove a negative anyway but think about the fact that a US presidential candidate was apparently murdered because of all this Banana Fishing. I think I can confidently say that hasn't happened in real life recently.

And even if we don't factor that little bit of outlandishness, I just don't think the US Government could keep such a thing a secret for very long in this hyper-connected 21st century (nor do I think the current Trump administration would have the brains to pull it off anyway).

If it makes you feel any better it wouldn't surprise me if the current US President has considered it as a possible plan...before one of his staffers removed the document off his desk whilst he wasn't looking...

[MetaKite]

Originally Posted by Haak

I was simply stating a fact, I wasn't really complaining.

As for how I know this sort of thing isn't happening...well it's not for me to prove a negative anyway but think about the fact that a US presidential candidate was apparently murdered because of all this Banana Fishing. I think I can confidently say that hasn't happened in real life recently.

And even if we don't factor that little bit of outlandishness, I just don't think the US Government could keep such a thing a secret for very long in this hyper-connected 21st century (nor do I think the current Trump administration would have the brains to pull it off anyway).

If it makes you feel any better it wouldn't surprise me if the current US President has considered it as a possible plan...before one of his staffers removed the document off his desk whilst he wasn't looking...

I meant specifically the drug experiments and not actual political assassinations. It's a story not much different than say Tom Clancy novels. I just don't get your specific nitpick if you aren't complaining. Also, regardless of the US government's current state, this isn't the type of thing the orange would even start under his administration (the CIA and FBI are two of his favorite targets right now) but something likely ongoing from previous ones. I see your nitpick of a fictional work's setting and plot "outlandish" myself.