To Aru Majutsu no Index - Miracle of Endymion Movie Discussion / Poll

[ACertainStark]

Originally Posted by Hiss13

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Exactly. I think I may have worded it wrong, though. It might have been more of an issue with the execution than with the development (although both were lacking). I could empathize with her to an extent but I still felt like something was lacking. The development within the movie itself was kinda vague, after all.

I just realized something else that made the movie good: Index DID SOMETHING!

I noticed they were running out of time so they didn't give any dialogue to certain scenes to explain some stuff. Like when they were showing her past, they probably should have added Ladylee explaining it. Would have been nice.

[Ilidsor]

^Yeah, i get that animation is expensive but really a few more minutes for some Ladylee exposition and info on what happens to Shutaura at the end would have been nice.

I really want some more Shutaura

[ACertainStark]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

^Yeah, i get that animation is expensive but really a few more minutes for some Ladylee exposition and info on what happens to Shutaura at the end would have been nice.

I really want some more Shutaura

Yeah, ah well. First movie for Project-Index. All in all, it was very enjoyable and a success.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

As in to flesh out her backstory and motives.

Yeah... We can get that she has the old "who wants to live forever" issue, but we're told, not shown, that she has that problem. Yeah, she's obviously immortal, but the only reason we know she's unhappy about it is because she goes on about how unhappy she is about it. She's functional as a villain, sure (I've seen much worse), but it would have helped to have shown some of the hell she's gone through in the centuries of her life, and how it's driven her insane to the point of being willing to kill most of the world if she thinks it will end this existence she's trapped in.

Note, I don't say this is a "RUINED FOREVER" kind of thing but a "they could have made a good thing even better" kind of thing.

[Ambulator]

The action in the movie was very good, and it never dragged.

On the other hand, there were too many characters in the movie, and most of them didn't do enough. In particular, Accelerator, the Sisters and Kuroko could have been dropped. Or, their roles could have been expanded while others were dropped. I was pretty disappointed in seeing Touma and Index apparently piloting an experimental shuttle, too. They have no qualifications for that.

So, overall I gave it an average rating.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by ambulator

i was pretty disappointed in seeing touma and index apparently piloting an experimental shuttle, too. They have no qualifications for that.

You mean you saw them pilot it from the passenger seats =_= ?

[Primary Consult]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Technically Kamijou didn't saved the day, he only saved the girl.

In fact, it was everybody else that saved the day.

This! There is an important distinction that's kindof hard to catch when watching Index casually - Touma does not concern himself with the big picture / saving the day, he mainly saves the girl. Sometimes that happens to directly help in saving the day, sometimes not [recall his priorities during Daihaseisai, or who actually stopped the anti-magic field during the Kihara Amata arc].
Once this aspect of Touma "clicked" for me I better understood his character and began to appreciate it. Without this understanding I know I would have been annoyed at Touma focusing on things like Arisa's dream over the destruction of the Eastern Hemisphere, so I feel it's worth mentioning here .

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Primary Consult

This! There is an important distinction that's kindof hard to catch when watching Index casually - Touma does not concern himself with the big picture / saving the day, he mainly saves the girl. Sometimes that happens to directly help in saving the day, sometimes not [recall his priorities during Daihaseisai, or who actually stopped the anti-magic field during the Kihara Amata arc].
Once this aspect of Touma "clicked" for me I better understood his character and began to appreciate it. Without this understanding I know I would have been annoyed at Touma focusing on things like Arisa's dream over the destruction of the Eastern Hemisphere, so I feel it's worth mentioning here .

Daihaseisai. He fight because someone was trampling the efforts done by Fukiyose then it become personal when someone attack Aisa but he still do it so the daihaseisai would continue

The attack in academy city. At first he fought because some trouble is happening then he encounter Vento and attacking him. His goal first is to stop her then it become personal when Vento tried to attack Hyouka. He fought to protect Hyouka.

[ACertainStark]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You mean you saw them pilot it from the passenger seats =_= ?

Just let it go.

[Kenju of the Right]

as Touma said, he doesn't care about saving the world
rather he cares about saving someone's 'world'(the things and beliefs important to that person)

[Goldzero]

Originally Posted by Primary Consult

This! There is an important distinction that's kindof hard to catch when watching Index casually - Touma does not concern himself with the big picture / saving the day, he mainly saves the girl. Sometimes that happens to directly help in saving the day, sometimes not [recall his priorities during Daihaseisai, or who actually stopped the anti-magic field during the Kihara Amata arc].
Once this aspect of Touma "clicked" for me I better understood his character and began to appreciate it. Without this understanding I know I would have been annoyed at Touma focusing on things like Arisa's dream over the destruction of the Eastern Hemisphere, so I feel it's worth mentioning here .

i was like you at first. i used to despise touma character because i always assumed he was this generic failure of a character who just so happens to have no real importance in the story(theirs much more reasons then that but it well take a long time to type so yeah) but later on while reading the novels i began to understand touma true role in the story and how much of a interesting character he actually is, i never fully understood hes role till later in the novels such as he rematch with accelerator with that one epic long monologue that i couldn't believe hes true reasons as to why he fight and that right there got me into considering him to tie as my favorite with accelerator i mean of course after volume twelve i began to like him since he becomes more interesting and likable during those volumes and ahead.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Guys, to say he doesn't care about the World is kinda inaccurate.

Originally Posted by Primary Consult

This! There is an important distinction that's kindof hard to catch when watching Index casually - Touma does not concern himself with the big picture / saving the day, he mainly saves the girl. Sometimes that happens to directly help in saving the day, sometimes not [recall his priorities during Daihaseisai, or who actually stopped the anti-magic field during the Kihara Amata arc].
Once this aspect of Touma "clicked" for me I better understood his character and began to appreciate it. Without this understanding I know I would have been annoyed at Touma focusing on things like Arisa's dream over the destruction of the Eastern Hemisphere, so I feel it's worth mentioning here .

Well there's another way to put it is that Kamijou has a very clear mind about what he can do and what he wants to do, and doesn't confuse himself with what he can't do.

He can't stop Endymion from collapsing, that's up to the guys at the base of the tower, so what he and Index can do is to stop Ladylee's spell from activating.

And by saving Arisa, he removed a core component from her spell.

[ACertainStark]

He just won't view it as an obstruction or neutralizing someone's plan. Moreso that he is saving a friend.

[Primary Consult]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Guys, to say he doesn't care about the World is kinda inaccurate.

I didn't say he didn't care about the world, just that he doesn't concern himself with it. Pretty much what you say later: he doesn't confuse himself with what he can't do. I mean, if a building was on fire, and there was someone trapped inside, someone like Touma would go in to save the person. The fire might spread to other buildings, but that is the concern of the firemen, not the guy who ran in to save the one person; that sort of thing. People like Tsuchimikado are the "experts" who deal with the world ending ramifications.

Originally Posted by Goldzero

i was like you at first. i used to despise touma character because i always assumed he was this generic failure of a character who just so happens to have no real importance in the story(theirs much more reasons then that but it well take a long time to type so yeah) but later on while reading the novels i began to understand touma true role in the story and how much of a interesting character he actually is...

Eh, I never went that far - I wasn't trying to imply that I think it is a bad thing that he focuses on the small stuff. Mainly, that once I realized I was watching a series about someone who helps those who would be trampled by the "grand plans" of people who think they're working in the name of "the greater good", things like his role in Endymion felt significantly more natural. I am only trying to point out that the attitude that "Touma always saves the day" [like any generic hero] expressed earlier is a common first impression that can ultimately hurt someone's impression of the entire series or certain arcs.

[Kenju of the Right]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Guys, to say he doesn't care about the World is kinda inaccurate.

Ah, I didn't mean it to sound like that
just that he's not that concerned about saving the world
but he will save anyone that he can
he knows his limits

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You mean you saw them pilot it from the passenger seats =_= ?

Anyway, for those who bashed about Touma and said they didn't like him and then liked him shame on you all!

Anyway, what Primary Consult said matches most my impression of the Toaru franchise. It is a story about a group of normal/bizarre people who learn to protect what is in front of them while they stop worrying about stupid concepts like the greater good. All it takes is a dystopia for someone to realize that instead of trying to save the world, what needs to be done is to heed the call for help in front of you and try to save those who need help and fix their worlds.

Touma Kamijou is the primary example for the person who inspired this action from everyone around him.

This series talks about a lot of complicated themes. But in the end, Touma can only do what someone like him is able to do. He doesn't think he is amazing. He knows his limitations. For this reason, he tries to save the people in front of him. He does what he can. If we put together our little power then together we might be able to do something great. This is Touma's philosophy and a great one.

Touma isn't the character who saves the day and prevents the city from being destroyed if that's something beyond his powers. He is the character who worries first about his friends. He doesn't like abstract concepts as much as down-to-earth concepts and issues that are right in front of him: i.e. Index is hungry--must feed her or be bitten; Mikoto is attacking me, I need to run away or I will be shocked; My grades are slipping. All these incidents are preventing me from doing well in school, I'll be held back a year... if I don't!; these are all horrible examples but you hopefully get the point

Anyway, this series is about many characters and their back stories. But Touma's part in it is this... Touma knows nothing about the world. He approaches it with what he knows and does what he thinks is right. But all the while, he heeds everything everyone else does around him and learns from it becoming a better person all the while by getting to know other people. This is who Touma Kamijou is.

He believes in "friendship" in a loose sense. Rather he believes in being human and getting to know other people. He doesn't think about it like some crummy normal way of thinking about having multiple people in a group gives you special powers. He just believes that if many people try to work together then they might accomplish something they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

This is why I like Toaru series so much.

Within its universe it is extremely consistent. I don't really know of a single inconsistency (that is non-anime related). Kamachi really just keeps expanding the interesting characters in the universe.

This movie is the perfect example of how everything in the series works.

Granted the movie was much too short (I would liked double the length ) but... that's a little ridiculous to ask from them.

Either way, the animation was amazing. The characters were pretty well done and we got to see a lot of Toaru characters. If I have one major complaint... it would be Shutara.

Shutara (I think that's the way her name is spelled officially because they misread how to spell it) was way too angry and violent before her character could be expanded upon at all. I knew all the plot before the movie started so that helped a lot... but I notice that for people that do not know the details ahead of time, the movie could have actually been a pretty confusing experience that would have been only slightly seen as "good."

So that's my complaint. Well though... I think that the reason the movie isn't quite as good as everything else in the series is because Kamachi writes super long novel series. He thrives on details. So he is probably worse at doing shorter movies, anime, books. He uses extremely complicated plots, which is why he needed the different introductions to the movie and the extra information (my guess). So if Kamachi has one weakness, I'm guessing that he doesn't do well with shorter stories because of his so many good ideas. But I'm guessing this skill is something he will develop eventually.

[Kenju of the Right]

is the character who worries first about his friends.

not just his friends, anyone
he isn't really a 'friendship' type of person, it's anybody

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Kenju of the Right

not just his friends, anyone

Right. I mean acquaintances. Or people he knows are in trouble. I just mean they will almost surely eventually become his friends of a sort

[tsunade666]

The correct term probably is anyone who needs his help. His the type that will help anyone as long as he can do it. He knows his limits.

[Kenju of the Right]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

The correct term probably is anyone who needs his help. His the type that will help anyone as long as he can do it. He knows his limits.

yeah when you have the kind of luck, treatment, and low power like thatt
you're bound to have some humility