Elfen Lied Manga

[Keahi19]

HMMM does anyone think this will officially come to the US? Or only by sites and such.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Deadwings

Well, judging from Kakuzawa's story with Lucy's mother, it's hard to make a male diclonius, so probably LucyxKouta will have also all female childs. (looking like lucy of course)

I would assume that a true diclonius like Lucy would have children at about the same male-female ratio as anyone else. The father determines the sex and a father who is not infected with the vector virus should have a slightly better chance of having male children than female. Kakuzawa's only child with Lucy's mother was a male, so it couldn't have been that hard. And we don't really know if she had children before Lucy and, if so, what their sex was. For all we know Lucy could have 2 or 3 older brothers. Perhaps we will get a little more info in chapter 107. There is some dialog by someone who was in a position to know in the extended manga chapter.

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

I would assume that a true diclonius like Lucy would have children at about the same male-female ratio as anyone else. The father determines the sex and a father who is not infected with the vector virus should have a slightly better chance of having male children than female. Kakuzawa's only child with Lucy's mother was a male, so it couldn't have been that hard. And we don't really know if she had children before Lucy and, if so, what their sex was. For all we know Lucy could have 2 or 3 older brothers. Perhaps we will get a little more info in chapter 107. There is some dialog by someone who was in a position to know in the extended manga chapter.

Ups, my bad. You're are certainly right.

Now this is only my supposition, but if diclonious social structure is supposed to be like that of bees, I mean, with one queen (Lucy) and many subordinates (slipelits), then its logical to think that most children will be females with no reproductive abilities, with the minority (probably one or two) being males in order to keep the species ongoing. Or at least, the same male-female ratio but 99% of them would have no reproductive abilities.
But thinking about my own idea, it won't work .

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Deadwings

Ups, my bad. You're are certainly right.

Now this is only my supposition, but if diclonious social structure is supposed to be like that of bees, I mean, with one queen (Lucy) and many subordinates (slipelits), then its logical to think that most children will be females with no reproductive abilities, with the minority (probably one or two) being males in order to keep the species ongoing. Or at least, the same male-female ratio but 99% of them would have no reproductive abilities.
But thinking about my own idea, it won't work .

The original diclonius appear to have not had the virus. I suspect that the virus was never meant to be used to create vector virus diclonius. That it's true purpose was to insure that Lucy's children were just as much diclonius as she was. And each generation after that. That way the diclonius would not lose their power again from mating with normal humans and eventually everyone would be diclonius.

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

The original diclonius appear to have not had the virus. I suspect that the virus was never meant to be used to create vector virus diclonius. That it's true purpose was to insure that Lucy's children were just as much diclonius as she was. And each generation after that. That way the diclonius would not lose their power again from mating with normal humans and eventually everyone would be diclonius.

Indeed. I wonder if Lucy would have infected Kouta if a proper situation was presented. She'll be between the end of her kind and the probability (high probabilities) of bringing to the world a new generation of potential mass murderers. I think the first is what she would choose.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Deadwings

Indeed. I wonder if Lucy would have infected Kouta if a proper situation was presented. She'll be between the end of her kind and the probability (high probabilities) of bringing to the world a new generation of potential mass murderers. I think the first is what she would choose.

Everyone is a potential mass murderer under the right circumstances. If Kakuzawa had not intercepted her mother and she had been taken out of the orphanage and raise, it is unlikely that she would have developed a voice telling her to kill. And, if she had grown up in a loving home instead of the orphanage she would have probably had a personality a lot like Nyu. She became a mass murderer because Kakuzawa wanted her too. There is nothing to indicate that the original diclonius killed large numbers of people. Instead they married normal humans and eventually lost their powers. And there was nothing said of the vector virus diclonius that had appeared from time to time killing or infecting people. It was said that they disappeared after one generation because they were sterile. It was only Kakuzawa who wanted to kill off normal humans.

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

Everyone is a potential mass murderer under the right circumstances. If Kakuzawa had not intercepted her mother and she had been taken out of the orphanage and raise, it is unlikely that she would have developed a voice telling her to kill. And, if she had grown up in a loving home instead of the orphanage she would have probably had a personality a lot like Nyu. She became a mass murderer because Kakuzawa wanted her too. There is nothing to indicate that the original diclonius killed large numbers of people. Instead they married normal humans and eventually lost their powers. And there was nothing said of the vector virus diclonius that had appeared from time to time killing or infecting people. It was said that they disappeared after one generation because they were sterile. It was only Kakuzawa who wanted to kill off normal humans.

Kakuzawa said the original diclonious were hunted down but he doesn't mention if they went berserk or not. They could have killed lots of humans too, but we don't know that. And about the mass murderer, well, yes everyone can be one. What I tried to say was that it's not the same to have a child who buys a gun and goes berserk, kills a few, gets arrested and end of story, than having a child that goes berserk, uses his/her vectors to kill hundreds, nobody can stop him/her since he/she has power similar to the mother (Lucy) and the story ends in a nice apocalyptic picture of a planet that was once called "earth" .
I'm talking more about possibilities and potential results. Besides, having a nice home it's not all, there are a number of factors to be considered like school for example.

[SidVicious]

Chapter 107 is out.

[Yorae_paladin1]

sad ye happy chappy and thus concludes elfen lied

[10PercentLuck]

Great manga.
I've browsed through the 37 pages of this thread, and I'm grateful to all the insight the other members offered.
This is definitely my favorite manga of all time.
I even went out and bought 6/12 comics I found.

[Mariko Kurama]

And with 107 out, thats the end of that. Great manga.

[Deadwings]

Finally. Now on this chapter.

Spoiler for Last chapter - Revelations! Muahaha:

1. It's been four months, but in one pic Nana seems to have HUGE breasts, I think that may be the diclonious genetics
2. Kakuzawa's daughter (name: I don't remember) turned out not to be a super-repulsive mutant brain, that's a good thing to hear, I was actually feeling sorry for her.
3. Nameless guy is... not a guy! Wow! I always thought she was a guy!
4. Nana is still a crybaby, also a good thing to hear.
5. Bando is... not dead!! I don't know if it's good or not. Now I have to see Mariko alive and this is a perfect happy ending.
6. Kouta is confirmed to be a genius, he visited that place for ten years and never noticed the bottle next to the rock. Really smart.
7. Kaede...? Kaede...? Did they ever say who was Kaede?
8. The twins look cute (pointless comment).
9. The most important thing. I FINALLY SEE WHERE IS PASTPRIME'S SIGGY FROM!!

Now seriously. I don't feel sad nor happy with the ending. It wasn't happy since Nyu dies, that's a fact, but there's a reincarnation and something like a second chance, so it's not sad. Compairing anime to manga, manga has definitely a better plot, but the anime is much more emotive.
Mariko's arc and the summer festival (flashback) were the most touching parts for me. I really wanted to cry when I saw Lucy's past and while watching Mariko die, it was like... I don't know. Both anime and manga made those parts really well. Now when Lucy began to talk normally and, by some reason, the artist changed a bit his drawing it started to become annoying (God! Males and females all look the same!).

And for my last few comments:
Best character of the story: Kanae! She's sooooooooo~ cute! And when Kouta didn't believe her for me it was like if someone just stabbed my heart
Favourite Quote - Lucy:"Well, did you like loosing someone important?" Revenge is a word I like.
Best part of the story: 1.The zoo (flashback) 2.Train assasination (flashback) 3. KoutaxYuka in the shrine in that rainy day

Sorry, I'm bored so I just wrote what first came to mind

EDIT: I just realized the manga I was following has just ended. And with it, this thread is probably going to die... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! what am I going to do now!?

[Dark Mage]

I didnt really get the ending. Here are my questions-
So does Nana become her Dad's wife and that means he didnt die? then what was the cemetery about?
Bantou didnt die after being cut off from the waist or is that an illusion?
Who were those twins?
Why was Kohta smiling at the end when he turned around as if he heard and saw somethung good?
So in the end there was no reincarnation of Lucy?
please somebody explain to me these coz I dont get them

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Dark Mage

I didnt really get the ending. Here are my questions-
So does Nana become her Dad's wife and that means he didnt die? then what was the cemetery about?
Bantou didnt die after being cut off from the waist or is that an illusion?
Who were those twins?
Why was Kohta smiling at the end when he turned around as if he heard and saw somethung good?
So in the end there was no reincarnation of Lucy?
please somebody explain to me these coz I dont get them

Spoiler for Chapter 107:

Well to be honest a few things left me confused as well. Clearly he was alright since he showed up behind her. Nana was just overreacting . Since her Father needed to help clean up the mess that the disaster caused. One of the few important people that actually survived after all. Good luck to him on handling the question of whether he wants to make babies with Nana .

I have no idea how Bantou isn't dead. How is that guy not dead? There are some things that go into the kind of silly area. But still I liked the guy so pretty happy that whatever is left of him that's still human is alive. Besides Mayu was happy about it and that's the important thing. Otherwise she'd probably be constantly cleaning that beach until the end of her days. Though I still don't get how he isn't dead....

I'm guessing the twins are some reincarnations. Makes you wonder how much they remember since I'm not sure about reincarnations. Now its either Lucy and Nyuu or maybe Lucy and that really pissed off personality. Since he named his daughter Nyuu...yet naming doesn't really disqualify Nyuu from being reincarnated.....Many this kind of thing is a headache.

Kind of makes things complicated with him being so much older and you know married . Still makes sense that he named his daughter Nyuu and couldn't help constantly going back there. Can only wonder how Yuka feels about the whole thing.

Did find the beginning pretty interesting though. With all the horned children being born after what happened. Not a shock really to hear about. Then you have all the killing, human race on verge of extinction, ban on having children, and that vaccine coming into play. Definitely not the best of days for humanity that's for sure.

Wow so its finally over....Always hard to say how one feels at the end of the road. From anime to manga this has been one incredible ride. A lot of victims and tragic situations. Yet there were some bright spots and good times to be had. Also plenty of deep discussions surrounding the characters. Blame, revenge, forgiveness, love, and so many other things made up this adventure.

[Shabazza]

Those twins are probably Lucy and Nyu to answer your last 3 questions.

Although the other ones beat me.
Another question: Why the hell does Kurama have 2 arms? Didn't Lucy ripped off his right arm in one of the chapters before?

[Yorae_paladin1]

Originally Posted by Shabazza

Those twins are probably Lucy and Nyu to answer your last 3 questions.

Although the other ones beat me.
Another question: Why the hell does Kurama have 2 arms? Didn't Lucy ripped off his right arm in one of the chapters before?

Cyber prostetic arm I think

[yezhanquan]

Though not an avid follower of the manga, I found the series sobering. If I can only take away one lesson, it's that quote from Spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibility".

I personally see Lucy as someone who possessed great destructive power (even if she had not wanted it) and was egged on her killing spree by it. An average human kid, subjected to her abuse, may snap and kill a few people. But, Lucy and her powers meant that the deed was magnified many times over. At the end of it, she was the one who chose to kill, without mercy or whatsoever.

[Deadwings]

Well probably a topic that has been discussed a good number of times now.

@yezhanquan: that phrase is infinitely right, but it depends on circumstances. I don't think you can put Peter Parker (Spiderman), an already mature man capable of making a good evaluation of the situation, and a kid of 3/4/5 years, who's just begining to understand the meaning of responsability, at the same level.

No doubt that Lucy did choose killing everyone in her sight at the end, but her problem/anger/etc should be tracked to the beginning of her life. A small child can be deeply afected by almost every single situation presented to him/her, and Lucy had many of those.
I'm also of the ones who thinks that one is responsible for almost every action in his/her life, but seing extreme cases (even if fictional) makes me reconsider this. In the real world, give a 3 year old boy a knive/gun/machine gun/nuke (Yeah a nuke hehe) and I don't think he'd understand the difference between all of them, he'll just see them as tools of releasing his anger, a completly natural behavior. Same for vectors. A kid needs to be taught about proper anger control, the difference between good an evil, limits, etc etc etc. With Lucy's basis it's obvious that something like this would happen, and once she got used to vectors when little, there was no reason for her to stop using them when she grew up. Once a tree grows bent, it stays bent forever.

So definitely Lucy is at fault, but I won't condemn her for that.

[yezhanquan]

Agreed. There's two sides to everyone. Lucy may have committed mass murder, but she has a tender and gentle side, which is more than what I can say for Sandalphon from Angel Sanctuary. Also, she was tortured emotionally by her deeds.

Both Elfen Lied and Angel Sanctuary convinced me that given enough power, a child-like person can become a tyrant.

[PastPrime]

I have been waiting for chapter 107 to come out to reply on this.

Originally Posted by Yorae_paladin1

Don't rag on Yuka if Nyuu was alive she would give up Kouta in fact the manga did state Yuka would given Kouta up to Nyuu if he indeed her loves her best yes Yuka would be hurt but she would know when to give up.

I wonder if that will carry over to the twins. I don't see them trying to take Kouta from Yuka since that would be betraying their friendship with Nyu and their older friendship with Yuka. And, given their memories of their past life, they would never betray a friend. And, there would be the question of which one would marry him. But it is quite possible that when they are older Kouta will fall in love with them again.

And here are a couple of pictures, the first from chapter 105.





Notice that, although seen from a different angle, they are in the same position relative to each other with almost the same expressions. The twin who had been Nyu is answering. I don't think that means she is Kaede since I suspect that it is all the other twin can do to keep from crying. She remembered Kouta telling her that he hated her and could never forgive her. But his reaction to the note showed that he didn't hate her and he had forgiven her. I really think that the twins set things up for Nyu to go with him that year and find the note because they wanted to know for sure how Kouta felt about Lucy.

And I think that the only way for a pair of diclonius twins to be free would be if they had a diclonius parent. So I think that, biologically at least, they are Lucy's nieces. One was named after Lucy and the other was probably named after Lucy's mother, the mother and sister that the diclonius parent probably thought had died when they were very young.

I would have loved to see everyones reaction when Kouta and Nyu returned with the Twins. For Yuka knowing that her biggest rivals for Kouta's affection no longer shared a body and would be 18 when she was 40. I think that Nana, Mayu, and Nozomi will be very happy to see them, as will Yuka until she starts to worry about the future. But how will Bando and Kurama react. I am sure that Mayu and Nana will force them to accept it. But I am sure that Kurama will, for the rest of his life, be waiting for Mariko's reincarnation to come to him.

I think that a great ending would have been for all the former inhabitants of the Maple Inn to come together and have a meal together to make up for the one that was broken up when Lucy was captured. Have Kouta say that he had been wrong. That wasn't the last time that they would all eat together.