Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[Evy]

Originally Posted by Belum_nabum

OH COME ON! As if Queen Blade was not enough on that field. Personally all stakes ARE MY ENEMIES! I seriously HATE SATANIC STUFF! This is one of many.
Other than that the subs might clarify some other things until then.


BTW these are all my enemies in real life. Also I wonder if someone will get rid of them in the course of the anime?

lol, methinks someone is taking a fictional story a wee bit too seriously.




Moving on, my thoughts:

Spoiler for Just in case.:

The good:
-STAAAKES! fsdjfhl Asmodeus and Beelzebub are so cute. And FUCKYEAH BELPHEGOR
-Fight scenes were well-animated.
-Beato's voice.
-Lucifer's voice.
-GENJIIII. I love the man, srsly.
-Kinzo's death scream = A+

The bad:
-Loads of shit QUALITY animation, particularly with Beatrice and Genji's faces and the bowing motions, which were just incredibly sloppy and awkward.
-The fanservice bit... okay, I get that it was supposed to cause her humiliation, but was the closeup and Gainax-level of breast bouncing necessary? Not to mention that apparently Lucifer doesn't wear a bra
-Gohda and Kumasawa scenes were... too rushed. There was no suspense at all :\

The ????:
-Am I the only one who didn't fawn over preteen!Rosa? lol
-I was really surprised by how deep Leviathan's voice was. I thought she'd have a whinier voice in a pitch closer to Asmo's. I suppose we'll just have to wait until she gets more lines... /ahem

Nearly a copypasta of what I wrote on lj.

[luckyssol]

Originally Posted by Evy

Loads of shit QUALITY animation

Mabye Rosa had the ability to make her arm go through fences when she was younger.

[Ithekro]

That would be something to find out when this is over. After all haste makes waste but I certainly will hate her (Beatrice) if she tries anything on Bernkastel

I find this funny...for many reasons. Not the least of which is that Berkastel is a witch just like Beatrice. Also while it doesn't fit Bern, consider the naming conventions for Beatrice and her furniture. Beatrice's furniture are named for demons, though it would seem that the stakes are more the punishment for said sins, a rather Christian concept. Ronove is a demon name, though he's so far not shown much for it...aside from his "face is too close" with Battler (I love the voice actor irony in the choice of those two). And then there is Beatrice. Just what is her name origin? She's no demon. It is a Christian name. "holly, saint"

[Christen]

It'd be for the best if avoid discussion about religion in here in my honest opinion.

[sora1412]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I find this funny...for many reasons. Not the least of which is that Berkastel is a witch just like Beatrice. Also while it doesn't fit Bern, consider the naming conventions for Beatrice and her furniture. Beatrice's furniture are named for demons, though it would seem that the stakes are more the punishment for said sins, a rather Christian concept. Ronove is a demon name, though he's so far not shown much for it...aside from his "face is too close" with Battler (I love the voice actor irony in the choice of those two). And then there is Beatrice. Just what is her name origin? She's no demon. It is a Christian name. "holly, saint"

The mistake here is using Christianity to identify the "demons" because these demons are different demons before Christianity came along. I think it would be misleading to think it that way. Beatrice was not really a Christian name; I would rather call it a borrowed language. It is because Latin is associated with Christianity that the name became a "Christian name". If you take out the Christianity from that, it would be nothing more than a Latin name. Just to quote;

Beatrice is a name derived from the Latin name Beatrix. It is a feminine form of the late Latin name Viator which meant "voyager, traveler". It was also a common name amongst early Christians, though the spelling was altered by association with the Latin beatus, meaning "blessed"

My source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_(given_name)

[Vega Lyra]

The noise in this thread aside, I quite liked this episode. The sentiments were a bit more obvious. I liked it, I liked it...

[Belum_nabum]

Originally Posted by sora1412

The mistake here is using Christianity to identify the "demons" because these demons are different demons before Christianity came along. I think it would be misleading to think it that way. Beatrice was not really a Christian name; I would rather call it a borrowed language. It is because Latin is associated with Christianity that the name became a "Christian name". If you take out the Christianity from that, it would be nothing more than a Latin name. Just to quote;

Beatrice is a name derived from the Latin name Beatrix. It is a feminine form of the late Latin name Viator which meant "voyager, traveler". It was also a common name amongst early Christians, though the spelling was altered by association with the Latin beatus, meaning "blessed"

My source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_(given_name)

WOW, really. Very informative, well then here is to mindfuck literally. As if Japan did not do this well enough in things such as Higurashi and Chaoshead already.
My opinion on this is that this series is a mind screw up already anyways. Good point though.

[MeoTwister5]

Seems like DEEN and Ryukishi did insist to make Ep3 fantastic at maybe the expense of the previous 2 episodes. Whether or not the sacrifice is justified really depends at the end of this arc though.

The Raw I'm basing this off of wasn't too good but decent enough.

The Bad:

1. I'm almost pretty sure one of the Red Text BRonove was supposed to say was missing. He was supposed to say three and said only two.

Spoiler for Bronove's Red Text Spoilers for Ep13:

He pretty much confirmed the red that states that the events of this flashback occured in 1967.. I couldn't exactly translate the first red he said, but It's either the confirmation of the hidden mansion's existence or that the Beatrice of the flashback was kept isolated in this mansion. In any case the by saying Beatrice was in this hidden mansion sort of confirms that the mansion exists anyway so... yeah.

The Good:

1. Again like the previous episode, tighly paced and produced. Rosa's history with Beatrice is paced well and they cut out the conversations that would have made it longer than it needed to have been. The events of the first twilight was evenly spaced leading up to the rather infamous transformation of Mackerel herself.

2. I liked the first twilight. Kinzo's maddening laughter as burns to a crisp was well done. Shannon and Kanon's resistance to death was also very well done if rather anticlimactic thanks to Genji. By comparison Gohda's death ala soup pot was rather lame.

3. If you ask me, Umineko was having a severe lack of ass-nee-chans and boobs, so I heartily approve of Kanon's precise attempts to conveniently disrobe Lucifer. Honestly I sort of wish they extended a little the sisters mocking Luci as a indication of her injured Pride but I guess that's asking for a lot (or at least let Mammon speak to satisfy the Mammon fanboy inside me). It was at least great to finally see all of them at once in a single episode. Kanon and Shannon naturally didn't have a chance in hell of surviving.

4. Lots of BRonove lines and Sugita's doing a pretty good job so far.

5. Also yes, VN player's assumptions confirmed at the semi-cliffhanger ending. Given the relative rise in quality and pacing DEEN has put into Ep3, this was an excellent ending as a connection to the next episode. Assuming DEEN continues this trend, episode 14 has a possibility of being abso-fucking-lutely mindblowing (it is of course my second favorite scene of Ep3).

[chronotrig]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Seems like DEEN and Ryukishi did insist to make Ep3 fantastic at maybe the expense of the previous 2 episodes. Whether or not the sacrifice is justified really depends at the end of this arc though.

The Raw I'm basing this off of wasn't too good but decent enough.

The Bad:

1. I'm almost pretty sure one of the Red Text BRonove was supposed to say was missing. He was supposed to say three and said only two.

Spoiler for Bronove's Red Text Spoilers for Ep13:

He pretty much confirmed the red that states that the events of this flashback occured in 1967.. I couldn't exactly translate the first red he said, but It's either the confirmation of the hidden mansion's existence or that the Beatrice of the flashback was kept isolated in this mansion. In any case the by saying Beatrice was in this hidden mansion sort of confirms that the mansion exists anyway so... yeah.

I'm sure the red text thread will go into more detail, but the only red text lines removed from this episode were one that referred to a scene not shown in the anime (a scene I'm sad to miss...), and one that's completely redundant.

Also, for some reason, Beatrice said:

Spoiler for red text:

"There are no more than 18 people on this Rokkenjima", instead of "There are no more than 18 humans on this Rokkenjima" like the game.
Weird...but probably not important.

The rest of the red text was almost word-for-word identical to the game, something that almost never happened in the EP2 adaptation.

[MeoTwister5]

Well I'm assuming it might be Ryukishi confirming that maybe there's no real difference between the two words considering the debate on the semantics of this red that is admittedly one of the bigger debates on the use of the red, that in terms of the red in means the same thing. That said, maybe he's telling us that it's pointless to debate semantics because what he means is already there?

[chronotrig]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Well I'm assuming it might be Ryukishi confirming that maybe there's no real difference between the two words considering the debate on the semantics of this red that is admittedly one of the bigger debates on the use of the red, that in terms of the red in means the same thing. That said, maybe he's telling us that it's pointless to debate semantics because what he means is already there?

Let's move all this to the spoiler thread...

[Tamad]

Originally Posted by KoiYuki

What's ironic about it?

Battler's VA is Daisuke Ono, the same guy who voiced Itsuki Koizumi in Suzumiya Haruhi.
Ronove's VA is Tomokazu Sugita, the same guy who voiced Kyon in Suzumiya Haruhi.
I don't think I need to explain the irony much further than that.

[Ithekro]

Irony in the sense of an "unintended connection".

Battler and Rovone share voice actors with Haruhi's Itsuki and Kyon. The way the roles are handled in the relationship between the two is seemingly reversed, where as Itsuki (played by Battler's actor Ono Daisuki) tends to get uncomforably close to Kyon's personal space, Rovone (played by Kyon's actor Sugita Tomokazu) also tends to get uncomfortably close to Battler's personal space.

[ameskitty]

Guys, PLEASE don't point out spoilers where there might otherwise not necessarily be one. If you want to be nice, send a PM.

Plus it makes it even more of a spoiler when something vague like that is identified as a spoiler (if it is indeed a spoiler in the first place) .

[becky-chan]

Are the subs out yet?I realllyyy want to watch this episode,tried watching it raw,but quit after the first 2 minutes.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by ChibiBear

Yeah, I'm also waiting for the subs... Anyone have a download link?

Don't ask for torrents on this site.

There's no subs yet from what I can see.

[ChibiBear]

Sorry... =.=

[June 1983]

I'd recommend that people who find themselves looking for subs every week and asking for links, you should look at the episodes you have and find out the name of the subbing group, and then google for their website so you can check for updates.

[Tjfarmer]

GGsubs, the group that is the fastest at releasing subbed episodes, delayed it... because they were being attacked by furries in an MMO all day. No really, its on there site. So... I guess within the next 2 days it'll be out, unless they try and fight those furries back.....

[rogerpepitone]

Is "forums.animesuki.com" completely unrelated to "animesuki.com/series.php"?
If not, why the ban on discussing torrents?