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So, new things we learned about the characters today: Kinzô was called Kin-chan in his childhood. Genji made the decisions when they were young (back in Taiwan). Kinzô apparently wants everybody besides his wife ... poor woman Kanon hates Gohda because he secretly wants to be as manly as him. Gohda likes to show off and looks down on people who are not like him (d'uh as if we didn't know that ) Red Eye Kanon is creepy and into tickling!! Battler and Will are unlikely to appear on the same gameboard. Will is destined to be with Lion ... how cute Lion's gender will forever remain a secret. Lion is a versatile top... Will is a versatile bottom... Hideyoshi likes to run around in his underwear and screws everything that moves Hideyoshi on Battler makes you puke Rudolph never respected Krauss...d'uh³ Black Battler knows what Battler wants deep in his heart Amakusa's response to possible rape: "He...cool!" ... so he was Eva during that scene in EP4!! Tôya's biggest fear is Black Battler being inside him....now that's actually an answer isn't it?! And most of all two things: 1) Older men are the spice on your meat! 2) BATTLER IS ALWAYS BOTTOM!! hahahaha.wav |
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That TIP. Gosh. I wasn't expecting the TIP to be like that. Ange is creepy, treating her family like that. But I applaud Virgilia for her interest in ossan.
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2012-07-23, 07:35 | Link #29786 | |
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I am rereading the first novel, and apart from laughing at all the "Rosa is the purest of the siblings" (and yet the only real bad parent among them) irony, and noticing how the siblings probably didn't actually think the gold was real and just wanted to blackmail Krauss into admitting his fault or paying them (though this seems less certain), I have been looking to see if Jessica actually knew that Kinzo was dead. If she did then she plays it rather cool, yet sort of implies he is alive. However I seem to remember a convenient asthma attack that occurs later.... |
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2012-07-23, 08:55 | Link #29787 | |
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1) Lion is fairly effeminate (but not feminine) in appearance and mannerisms. In English, he/she would presumably be portrayed as an androgynous is-he-or-is-she fashion that, like the Japanese, sort of plays up the uncertainty. So if indeed Lion is an imagining of what such a person would look like untouched by early tragedy, Lion would not exactly have been the most masculine male to begin with even if born that way. 2) There is another explanation besides "nut or asshole," which is lying. Even if the baby did exist, and even if the baby was indeed Beatrice-2's child, there is no evidence it actually lived. Yasu could be somebody else. Plus the baby could've, you know, not actually existed. Since we know basically nothing about Genji's motives to do anything we have no idea why any of the things that he did to Yasu were done. And we certainly can't know whether or why he did the things he's alleged to have done, because Yasu didn't even witness those.
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2012-07-23, 10:12 | Link #29788 | |
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On the one hand, Jessica is never, EVER implied to notice anything especially odd, and claims to prefer that Kinzo has isolated himself. Plus, in the grand scheme of things, she's almost as innocent as Godha, really. The only reason you'd think she knew about it is a claim to common sense, 'cause she lived on the island, and not your live-in grandpa for two years is damned odd. but then, we also presumably give her a pass on noticing Shkanon shenaningans (assuming they happened in Prime) despite being THE person best in place to notice oddities. Um, at best I'd try to say that, sort of like her parents, she's not exactly portrayed as a genius or anything. |
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2012-07-23, 12:40 | Link #29789 |
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This is the main reason I don't like Yasu being born as a boy. Because we don't know Nanjo's how much knowledge Nanjo has in the medical field or at least I guess I missed it. But from what I remember he was just a small doctor nothing big. Also would he have even been able to perform the surgery in the first place. I guess though we don't know how injured Yasu was I mean she could've simply fell not very far like maybe Yasu was in the servant's arms till the very end or something. Anyone when I think of Yasu's injuries I think that she has a crushed uterus, one or two dents in her skull, probably some scars on her body among other things. Also if Yasu was born female I doubt the fall had anything to do with her lack of breasts or weak and small figure. I actually believe those were caused by the fact she is a child of incest which from what I read can result in the child being underdeveloped.
Also I really don't understand why people doubt Yasu being Beatrice-2's child who was pushed off the cliff. I mean it is never implied that it wasn't and I just don't see the basis of this claim.
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2012-07-23, 12:42 | Link #29790 | |
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The idea that Yasu had to wear gradually bigger fake dress as she was growing up to keep up with the scam still looks ridiculous to me. Edit: Adding to that, Beatrice as in arc 4 is fundamentally bothered by the question "who is she", I don't think that was explored much. It opens very large and nicely the door to question her past story as she seemingly does it herself. If we think of Umineko as being written by a writer who doesn't know if they are a man or women (in their heart) then I'm thinking this might make more sense. Actually so much could make sense if we think Shannon never existed and Yasu has always been Kanon. I can see it more or less, the little child realizing he might be into guys after meeting Battler and having the lines he says make his heart melt. However he can never be certain of the real meaning of these words. Year later Jessica tries to date him but he rejects her in favor of George, another man. This would explain why George and Yasu's relation needs to be kept so secretly as well as possibly making a nice parallel of George/Kanon with Kinzo/Genji. I can see how trying to include these things into a story could shape it into something like Umineko, including the Beatrices' legends. I'm also thinking like, shouldn't there be a sort of stand at one point? 10 tons of mysterious gold from Italy, 1 kilometer in diameter explosion crater, raising a child to wear gradually bigger fake breast, said being pretenting to be two people during the same work shift, jessica never noticed nor that person's employer, Kyrie's baby being stolen etc... We can find explanations for all of these, I guess. Doesn't change that all of that together sounds well like most fantasy stories are LESS insane (I have a really hard time if anything to think a fantasy story would pull out Shkanon in the same nonsensical way). So what I'm thinking is when something is too ridiculous, shouldn't we question it's very existence and the information that we have about it? As it stands Umineko is the ninja pirate zombie robot of Mystery. Last edited by UsagiTenpura; 2012-07-23 at 13:06. |
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2012-07-23, 14:17 | Link #29791 | ||
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Everything else can be doubted because it's either irrelevant whether it was specifically true or not or it's implausible but not to the point that it ruins the story. The mere fact the author presents a bunch of information doesn't mean we should believe it because he hasn't created doubt in his text. It might not be what he intended, of course... but screw what he intended. EDIT: Also the "falling baby" story is doubtful because there are no less than three vaguely-remembered "falling incidents" in Umineko and I have a feeling somebody is choosing to conflate them or alter a single incident to be a different incident. We have a falling servant, falling Beatrice, and falling baby. Either these stories are getting scrambled along the way or Rokkenjima has ghastly safety standards and everyone on it has a propensity to fall to their deaths.
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2012-07-23, 18:44 | Link #29792 |
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Well when it comes to an island isolated from everything you don't have a whole ton of accidental deaths that could be possible like you would in the city or something. Also Ryukishi seems to keep accidental deaths to falling.
Yukie in Higurashi fell Yasu fell The servant fell Beatrice fell Anyway yeah there aren't many ways besides falling to accidentally kill someone on Rokkenjiima. Also I don't see how the stories contradict eachother Beatrice was born and kept in Kuwadorian Kinzo raped her and got her pregnant Beatrice gave birth Beatrice met Rosa Beatrice fell and died.
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2012-07-23, 19:02 | Link #29793 | |
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So, totally unrelated. I was reading Wuthering Heights, and when little blonde, socially isolated Catherine II wandered off to explore some rocky crags that her father was concerned she'd fall from, I was all "Welp I see where THIS is going. Witches." |
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2012-07-23, 19:45 | Link #29795 | |
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on the other hand it's very true that falling to your death is very common way to die (or almost die) in fiction. I don't even need to list examples for that. it's everywhere. watch a few disney movies to see what I mean. Or if you're a mystery fan. Sherlock Holmes.
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2012-07-23, 19:52 | Link #29796 |
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Well at least he didn't make it happen the same way such as accidental falling I mean it all makes sense at least. How to kill someone on an island quick and to make sure no one finds them. Push them off a cliff. Besides it only happened two times and different circumstances both times.
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2012-07-23, 20:02 | Link #29797 | |
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... sometimes I think the reason why Ryukishi doesn't want to reveal the complete solution to Umineko it's not because he doesn't have one but because he realized that's one so unlikely readers would find hard to accept it. |
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2012-07-23, 20:18 | Link #29798 |
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I do feel that if Ryukishi reveals the truth the fanbase will get into a frenzy over the truth and how stupid it is and un thought out and how Ryukishi sucks or some other stupid crap. Or at least the Youtube Fanbase will.
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