2010-01-15, 06:58 | Link #2181 | |
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So it isn't malice that made Bern want to enjoy an execution of Beato's friends and furniture every day? And it wasn't malice to want to execute the Siesta's either who oh yes let me remind you. HELPED HER DURING EPISODE 5? Heck I'll even screenshot those scenes if you want me to |
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However, thanks for bringing up the verdict. Remember how it was already done then Battler came back spouting his moonspeak then Lambda gave him a second chance that he was technically not entitled to. I represent that as proof that Lambdadelta does not want this game to end and you pretty much sum up the case for Erika/Bern are immoral and competitive, they will strive to win at any cost. Quote:
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2010-01-15, 07:09 | Link #2183 |
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She went terribly out of her way to completely exterminate Beato's magic compendium for it to be just her acting heartless though. Technically it's enough to prove that she didn't have anything to do with the murders. What she is doing in that Tea Party is the equivalent of what Kasumi did with Maria's grimoire
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2010-01-15, 07:09 | Link #2184 | |
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The rules limiting the red only apply to humans not to witches. Plus it is a fact that Erika and Bern weren't able to solve the mystery of the letter and the knock, that alone according to the rules that have been set in Ep4 wouldn't allow Bern to win. And yet Lambda let them win.
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2010-01-15, 07:17 | Link #2185 |
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You are forgetting about the rules of the court, Jan, you have to have evidence on the gameboard to use red in it. Lambda did not show evidence of Natsuhi's innocence during the game so her red was not usable. Again, if that were really the case after Battler came back to life she could have just said "Tough luck." I am not exactly sure why Lambda wanted Natsuhi to be a culprit but I am assuming she did not expect Erika to create a near perfect "seal" to give everyone else on the island alibis. I also thought wtf when I saw the court. I really don't know if Lambda saw that coming when she prepared the gameboard.
@Dark: Well, she does want to win. I don't think about it as out of her way. I think about what Bern did was showing that she could do way better than Battler as the detective and possibly save time by not going through 3 more games. |
2010-01-15, 07:20 | Link #2186 |
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Killing even those who helped you is not out of your way? And the sheer enjoyment of the executions to come. That has nothing to do with proving she can do better than battler. It's like killing soldiers who have already surrendered to you. It's unnecessary.
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2010-01-15, 07:27 | Link #2187 |
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Hey, we all don't celebrate victory the same way, now do we? lol.
Remember you are applying human emotions, or thought process, to a witch, and that has been Battler's supposed problem with his chessboard thinking. He can't think like Beatrice because he is not a witch. |
2010-01-15, 07:31 | Link #2188 | |
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If anything, I myself can sympathize with her (or Erika for that matter).
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2010-01-15, 07:32 | Link #2189 | |
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A good point. Still that doesn't make them any less evil. Beato's evil facade was an act that much we know. However in bern's case this is her real side and yes it's evil by human world standards |
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2010-01-15, 07:33 | Link #2190 |
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I can't really say I sympathize with Bern, or Erika that matter in episode 6, but I do not really hate them. They play aggressively like Battler should have.
Evil, heartless same thing. I like the word immoral because it doesn't mean she likes being bad but rather she does not really know the difference or see the difference in doing good or bad. If anything I think Virgilia is worse than Bern. Bern never pretended to be a good guy. Bern just stabbed Battler. Virgilia stabbed him in the back.(in episode 3) I think my opinion differs from others about Bern being hateful because I hate Battler and I cannot trust Beatrice. Hell, I will not trust her ever. |
2010-01-15, 07:39 | Link #2191 |
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what? erm yes she pretended to be a good guy. Remember her appearance in the series? She was gonna help Battler a little or so she said in the beginning then when Lambda showed up she started showing off her true side. The ugly heartless troll one. It's the same thing more or less
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2010-01-15, 07:42 | Link #2192 |
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Well, I think you forgot exactly what Bern said. Bern pretty much thought Battler was helpless and that she should give him a little help, but she specifically stated she was NOT on his side or anything and that he better not bore her. Then she did a semi-trollface.
Also, even if she was completely on his side, his side is the player side which is antifantasy. Battler does not want to blame his family members which is antimystery. Bern is playing his side as antifantasy without his antimystery concerns. He should have done that from the beginning. If anything, I contend Battler is the traitor and an ungrateful pos. |
2010-01-15, 07:58 | Link #2194 |
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What are you talking about? If you read episode 6 then you know I am right. Think about Battler's game. That is all I will say because this is for episode 5. Anyways, Battler did that in episode 4 to just end the game kinda like what Bern did in 5. Except Battler just made up random crap to win. And he did not come as close as Bern to doing so. Think about the end of episode 5, who was his culprit in that theory? Him. He just is trying to play the good guy on an emotional rollercoaster.
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BTW: how did you get the impression that Lambda was troubled at all? She enjoyed everything till the end.
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2010-01-15, 08:12 | Link #2196 |
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Lambdadelta is the judge and the judge is impartial. That was used in episode 6 but I guess the same thing probably applies here. This still does not contradict Lambdadelta giving Battler a second chance when she did not have to. Lambdadelta is a hard egg to crack and we probably will never understand her. Except her obvious attempts to keep the game going.
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2010-01-15, 08:13 | Link #2197 | |
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Hmm I don't really see how what Battler did in EP 4 is similar to how Bern did things in EP 5. Still that's your opinion and I have my own so let's leave it at that. @Jan: LOL that part with poor Battler struggling to counter that red. Felt sorry for the guy and how pathetic he was acting in that losing battle |
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2010-01-15, 08:32 | Link #2199 | |
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Lambda just decided to do so by herself. I think there are two main possibilities to explain Lambda's behavior: 1) Letting Bern win this game was in her plans since the beginning. After all Bern would just win a battle not the war. The fact that a sixth game was in program means that Bern still didn't win on all fronts. Maybe Lambda had something in mind for that sixth game. 2) Lambda doesn't care that much about Bern winning, so far she just lied and the only thing she cares is to enjoy this game and enjoy seeing Bern struggling to solve it. P.S: please avoid mentioning EP6 at all.
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