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I'm pretty sure that Daz just asked Zoro if he was going to cut diamonds, but I actually wouldn't rule out the possibility of a diamond fruit user popping up sometime in the future. 'Twould make a good stepping stone for Zoro, that opponent would. Then he can put his focus on learning to slash through immaterial objects afterwards..... And yes JINBEI, while I do share your sentiments about the level 6 pirates, I'm still equally interested in the second half of Impel Down's "two metal plates". I mean, if he's so badass that the prison staff itself decided to imprison him, then he must have some pretty crazy abilities...... Quote:
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Robin wasn't a pirate and was a wanted person, like revolutionaries.
We know bearly nothing about Revolutionaries: - Dragon leads them and is the most wanted man - they "free" countries - Iwa used to work with Dragon, but now is ID becuase he was cought or is infiltrating it for new soldiers Besides that even my grandmother could be in their army, and she's dead... For that matter I could say that Wolcik's pirates > Whitebeard's pirates
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3 Way Power thing has a big hole in the middle.
Let's say that WG is reduced to Admirals only, and no Shichibukai has a crew, and consider each Younkou individually. That would give us three groups of strong people: 3 people WG, 7 people Shichibukai and 4 people Younkou. Is it 3=7=4 or is it 4=3+7 or maybe 4=3+(betwen n 0 and 7)? How is that logical? So in the world are many unnamed pirates and other criminals, and there are low ranked WG officers. They all matter, but have affection on the world, but it's the ballance of those 14 people that makes it all possible to don't go out of control. Right? EDIT - part of me wants to say "NO", but I'll enjoy the story anyway, because it's the best shounen manga I have ever read - and I even compare it to Berserk...
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This is what happens when there's no One Piece chapter huh? It seems people in here are war hungry.... Dragon's army isn't a world power but because the Government STILL see's them as the biggest threat... *insert more canons...* Spoiler for One Piece Yellow:
BTW, Flipskuul, show me my examples of me using a noncanonical Hawkeye's Mihawk [Or arguing against canon for that matter]? I only argued for that characters sake when info is presented wrong about that character nothing more. If I recall correctly I sure as heck STEAM-ROLLED you with those arguments as well...Yeah, the only travesties I've committed on the net is murder...Killer of fan boys and stubborn canon ignorers. Also I can't believe my eye's of people actually ignoring Whitebeard as the most powerful pirate in the world...I expected this from Arlong Park and Naruto Forums but not members from Animesuki. Now why don't people in here just chill out and wait for this war to happen. This war will judge EVERYONE and no doubt answer all the questions [Hopefully]! Lets all get back in the current storyline... MarvelB, I think Shiryuu may have a devil fruit as well. Like you said he is equal to Magellan and we can't just base his abilities as a swordsman alone cause look at Law, he got a fruit and a sword. But a swordsman can be just as strong as Magellen as well.... Last edited by Phenomenal; 2009-04-15 at 01:16. |
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Yellow book is funny. He made one sentence with a character's name and then he goes and call him mysterious himself XD
Since there isn't a chapter this week, this discusion might continue till next week Oo
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this is how the world power system in op works in general the land is ruled by 2 opposite though not always opposing forces - The WG [MHQ + Shicunbukai] and then the Yonkou [4 Pirate FLEETS, concerned with ruling the grand line and getting to raftel as getting to raftel makes u pirate king not simply being the strongest] then theres the Revolutionary, if they choose to be they could be enemies of both pirates and WG at the same time they are the opposing force to BOTH wg and yonkou as theyre behaivour suggests [taking over countries, which can be under mhq, 7sea or yonkou rule]. In terms of strength i wouldsay the revolutionaries are as strong as the yonkou, keep in mind dragon is aces father so by shonen law most likely alot stronger then ace who himself is a bad ass in the op world - keep in mind smoker was no match for dragon but on equal levels with ace, they also hav other bad asses like inazuma and iva who r both similar to or as strong as ace as theyre assigned prison floors suggest . That alone almost covers WB's top 3 commanders BUT the revolutonaires are an ARMY and not a pirate fleet, so it would not be likely 4 them 2 hav more equally strong members - just a few more identified members and they could officially be certified as strong as the WB pirates. The WG's treatment of the revs also suggests that they r as strong as the yonkou if not more so. Dragon appeared 20+ yrs ago on rogers executionday [see the ep wer smoker and dragon meet] and became a potential most wanted 8 years ago and most dangerous in regards to the wg by now - NONE of the yonkou [including their fleet] hav been deemed dangerous enough to be considered as serious a threa to the WG as a whole - the 4 yonkou together whoever is a diff story - but this also means even 2 yonkou together would not be enough to destroy the WG (though the wg would surely lose alot of power in a conflict between any yonkou from the assured deaths of at least a few marines, but the hole left would allow themselves and the remaining yonkou to grow in power - which is prolly the reason theyre bating WB). Despite this however the wg are now bating WB, this is quite a contrast to 8 years of loss to Dragons Army as far as we know - major losses at that - losses of countries they alrdy rule/loss of power would be reason enough for WG to send there best such as admirals, 7sea etc [loss of land=loss of power=death of the WG organisation itself] to sort the dudes out but ofc they havnt been sorted out yet which strongly suggests they wer strong enough to hold their own against WG's best which u should remember would also be a serious threat to yonkou. this shows that the dragons army is able to hold its ground as well as if not more so then the yonkou as u hav to remember the yonkou arnt concerned pitting themselves against all the powers in the world as dragons army has by attempting world revolution - but rather getting to raftel and being the strongest out of the pirates out there, and possibly ruling the 2nd half of the grand line. It should be noted though that the ruling of the 2nd half of the grand line isnt neccasserily a LOSS for the WG as they may not hav even ruled it in the first place [u cant lose wat u dont hav] - if indeed the 2nd half wasnt ruled by the wg ever then the recent events would also show the WG's lack of fear and strength vs the yonkou in comparison to dragon who has been repeatedly provoking them by taking land from there rule while they hav yet to defeat or as far as we know even slow his progress down. In conclusion, no dragons army isnt the same as the wg or the 7sea or the yonkou, its on a level higher, a level which all 3 of the former forces should and most likely do fear [the WG do at least]. ============= BRIEF SUMMARY =========== where DA is dragons army, MHQ = Marine Headquarters 7sea= shicunbukai and WB =whitebeard pirate fleet if WG [MHQ + 7sea] = 4Yonkou and DA = WG [biggest threat to them blah blah, read the post again] then DA = 4Yonkou WB = 1 of Yonkou as DA = 4Yonkou WB = 1/4 of DA if DA is threat to only MHQ it would make WB = 1/2 DA at most, as we dont know exactly what proportion the 7sea contribute to of the WG force as a whole but it couldnt be more then 1/2 as otherwise as MHQ would not hav enough power to be appointing 7sea in the first place edit* i would argue that WG is possibly > 4 yonkou as theyre not just keeping the yonkou at bay but also consolidating ther own power in land currently ruled - which imo would prolly be of more importance to them As for Dragon the man, he is as strong as Ace and Smoker, but probably alot stronger due to shonen law and him being aces father and such a hyped and feared character - more in the main body of the post [see Ace vs Smoker for draw and Dragon vs Smoker for pimpness] Dragons >_ Ace/Smoker P.S. hope to get some feed back on my first post
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If Dragon does have a Logia type Devil Fruit which can affect the weather, then a "arashi-arashi no mi" (Storm-Storm Fruit) would fit him to a tee - because "arashi" also has connotations like "raising havoc; laying waste; disturber".
An example usage of "arashi" I remember from other manga is Maya's nickname in The Mask of Glass, which was "butai no arashi" and was translated variously as "a storm on the stage", "the stage stormer" and also "the stage plunderer". ie, Dragon is definitely a political storm, and at a global level. Whether he's a physical storm as well we'd have to see. On a side note, I wonder about what the relative commonality and strength of pirates, marines, world government countries and revolutionaries will be in the "New World". All the Yonkou are there most of the time it seems, and as far as we know, none of the Shichibukai have their "base" there - Jinbei is right on the edge with the Mermaid island while Mihawk, Kuma and Blackbeard may not have any permanent "base" anywhere while Crocodile, Moria and Hancock all had their bases in the first half. Doflamingo almost certainly has a base of some kind, since he does have money generating operations but whether that's in the New World or not is unknown - he certainly has/had operations in the first half of the Grand Line. Of the Yonkou, Shanks might not have somewhere he considers a base in the New World though the others do to some degree - or at least, territories their consider their own. Personally, I suspect that the Marine / WG / Shichibukai influence is lower in the New World, relative to the first half of the Grand Line and that pirates have a larger influence. No idea about the revolutionaries.
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On the Pirate side, there are the Yonkou. Now stop. Those are the world powers, in a nutshell...not bothering to consider the Supernovas, and the already well established sea dogs in the New World, who would also be hiding out as Sub-Yonkou (I assume), and the Revolutionaries. The World Powers balance out like this: Top Tier: Sengoku, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji = Shanks, Whitebeard, Kaidou, Yonkou 4. (I'm not saying that all eight of these individuals are equated, but that, should all eight of them fight at the same time, I believe that they would be almost equal matches.) Sub Tier: Mihawk, Blackbeard, Kuma = Benn Beckham etc, Jozu, Marco etc, and the officers of the other Yonkou crews. Now from here, I make some assumptions that may not make as much sense as the ones above: On the Whitebeard fleet, I imagine that at least for the first four Divisions, over fifty percent of all crew members would be at least Vice Admiral tier. Stop! Notice I'm being gracious, and saying that just fifty percent of the first four Divisions are Vice Admiral level. I'm SURE it's more in reality. I think that the other Yonkou also have extremely powerful men on their crews, though Shanks' small crew leaves me in doubt, but seeing as Luffy's crew is so small, and they do so well, I think I'm justified in saying that they may be VERY strong. So all in all: the Yonkou. each in his own individual capacity, do to an extent level off the battle field against the Marines and WG + Shichibukai.
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