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Or, and I can work with this for my story, the moons are distinctly magical anyway, so they make no sense. Midchilda has, as was established earlier, buildings looking like ours, cars looking like ours, and books looking like ours. It also has gravity manipulation, a unique energy source based on personal power, and two moons, both of which apparently have cloud-like features. This is why I had to ask if Midchilda developed books the same way we did, instead of just assuming. |
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2008-02-07, 05:20 | Link #623 |
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Then you have to consider the gravitational pull of 2 dense objects able to trap gases on a Earth-like planet like Midchilda. I'm not too sure of the facts, but I think if you can see such planets dead in the sky like in the anime, not only are they too close for comfort of life, I believe their combined gravitational pull can yank a permanent tidal wave as they go through their orbits. And I think there were more than 2 "planets" in the sky, and so I'm guessing that we're like looking through several waygates that lead to other like worlds. As such, many planets in the sky, no destructive gravity pull.
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2008-02-07, 05:33 | Link #624 |
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Screen? I can only remember two.
That aside, this is simply one of those cases where we are looking at things too logicaly. Yes, realistically speaking those moons are far too close, and it makes no sense for them to have an atmosphere, yet they do. Why? Because it looks cool. Like episode 26's floating islands with seemingly eternal yet unknown watersources, this is simply one of those cases where we are supposed to go "Wow, that looks awesome!" and move on. |
2008-02-07, 08:05 | Link #625 |
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Don't be so sure. The parameters of a valid planet are quite flexible.
As a simple example, I can have an Earth sized "moon", with a surface gravity of 0.2Gs and a escape velocity of 5km/s. The planet will have to be mostly water or an equivalent in density, but it can hold an atmosphere, and it'll be big. |
2008-02-07, 10:29 | Link #626 |
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Hmmm...or else, we could have a giant "greenhouse planet" like in the science fiction novels. Since Midchilda has technology eons ahead of lowly Earthlings like us, I wouldn't see it as being too long a shot for them.
About the similarities between Midchilda and us, I suppose rules of structural integrity, aerodynamics and thermodynamics still hold water on Midchilda, right? Although I know that magic can carry before all, I think the TSAB would think the worse of such a wasteful use of magical resources when the natural laws of physics can be relied on instead. |
2008-02-07, 11:18 | Link #627 |
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There are too much parameters for a planet suitable for life. Number of suns, its/their size(s), distance between the planet and the star, etc...
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2008-02-07, 11:28 | Link #628 |
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Rewatching a few episodes of StrikerS does reveal that the number of planets that apear in the sky does tend to fluxuate. Sometimes there are two, sometimes more. I'm atrubiting this to lazy artwork concistency rather then anything factually based (heck, in episode 11 lazy artwork makes some of the clouds disapear behind a planet, which would mean that the damn thing is inside the atmosphere).
Another note is that they didn't fix it with the DVD releases either. I would post DVD screens, but I'm having trouble taking screenshots of MKV's. |
2008-02-07, 12:45 | Link #629 |
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... Is that cloud on the right heart-shaped or are me and my friend just crazy?
And I think again the problem is everyone is looking at this (Ok aside from Keroko) logically. Stop applying logic to anime. If Mid-Childa has two moons within its atmosphere. It has two moons in its atmosphere. Just say its magic. "Screw the rules, I have magic!" works pretty well here.
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2008-02-07, 13:08 | Link #630 |
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This, is SPARTA! Er... wait no. Where's my ultimate quote book? Anywho... The first couple laws of Thermodynamics seem to have absolute authority even with magic in this universe. And the first law, in very basis terms, essentially says 'you can't get something from nothing.' Magic or no. I would vote to establish that magic has limitations based on fundamental scientific principles, but contains technical properties that are foreign to conventional scientific models. Otherwise we'd be straight up pulling Timmy Turners on a daily basis. |
2008-02-07, 16:40 | Link #631 | |
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2008-02-07, 18:23 | Link #634 |
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Laziness is no excuse for what should be a fixed background object, and a moving ambient background object interacting incorrectly.
In this case, a planet/moon should be fixed to the master background shot, and the clouds should be in an individual layer. At no point should laziness make it possible to screw that up. |
2008-02-07, 18:36 | Link #635 |
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How about noises in space in every goddamned science-fictions works with, maybe, the exception of Akira? How about non-instanteous laser beams that curves around in some mecha anime for no reason? Do we ask the directors and producers to fix them in DVD releaes?
The weekly amount of work in japanese animation is borderlining on slavery, let's not mention that 7arcs is a small studio that doesn't have the manpower of madhouse or sunrise. So, seeing them goofing up is not that surprising. Maybe the animation supervisor was sleeping, lazy. But please do not bring common sense in it. Making Caro to cater to loli loving crowd, THAT is common sense, in a marketing point of view. Designing Vivio so Nanoha won't have to marry, and crush otaku's dreams is another kind of marketing-fueled common sense. |
2008-02-07, 18:44 | Link #636 | |
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Putting a planet that should be a fixed object in the background, in the wrong layer is just a total failure of common sense. And Marketing Common Sense? You're going off on a tangent O_o What are you sm-... Oh wait, this forum indulges in Crack. Carry on. |
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2008-02-07, 18:58 | Link #637 | |
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I can call it goofing up. But not lack of common sense. When someone work in a field like japanese animation, messing up HAS to happen. That's why there are a supervisor to check consistency or mistakes. 7arcs' fucked it up. Even Kyoto Animation (in before the usual suspects hounding on it) has made mistakes as shown in Haruhi Suzumiya (example) TV x DVD comparisons. |
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2008-02-07, 19:22 | Link #638 |
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Then you FAIL!
Goofing up is forgetting the shadow for Eva and Chachamaru here like I did: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...aAlbaAdeat.jpg Mislayering a moon? Twice? Probably more? I figured out how that should have NEVER happened in two seconds. I know those guys work their rears off, producing a 23 minute episode once a week is brutal, and I actually did calcs on rate of manga work vs a rate of episode work for an Anime and came up with a month and a half for manga production to cover the same story time animation teams have to cover in an episode, so I'm no fool. And why are you taking it so seriously anyway? Why are we so off topic? Spoiler for Size:
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2008-02-07, 19:24 | Link #639 | |
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If you want to avoid extra work, its common practice to leave the planets and clouds as seperate layers (why in the blazes would you want to fix them to the master background in the first place?), that way you can easilly get various backgrounds by merely shuffling the layers a bit. It saves time, money, and effort. So when various pointless scientific calculations complaining about the Laws of Physics come into play, its on-topic, but as soon as the mention of 'animation error, can be ignored' comes into play, its suddenly off-topic? |
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2008-02-07, 19:28 | Link #640 | ||
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