2009-09-25, 01:33 | Link #121 | |
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--- That being said, I am still unclear where Moria's zombies came from. The popped out from beneath Moria (somehow...what the hell is Moria standing on anyway that zombies can spring forth from the ground ), and they were all stitched up...somehow. I mean, even if Hogback is literally hiding underneath Moria, I do not see how he could have redone so many marines/pirates in such a short time. So, are these minions prepared in advance? Or is Hogback simply that good? Whatever, it was just a little weird. Again, good chapter. Lots of fun for all with some great jokes and some great action. |
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2009-09-25, 02:34 | Link #123 | |
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I think maybe Oda did them that way so they would stand out , they were some that look normal . To me it was to show that they were zombies and not normal . This is manga were talking about . No need to have a real reason to do certain things. Also don't forget there was a 5 day period before the war not hard to think that moria steal some people shadows in that space of time. |
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Let me get this straight: Luffy got the stage, because the real powers haven't even gone to the stage. They haven't, because they are high and mighty and important and are reserving themselves and observing carefully for the fit moment to act. The ones who got to the stage first are the fodders. Quote:
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But they already did. Tons of people as strong or stronger than Luffy are fighting. They are just not drawn in details Of course a man with brain is gonna keep the named ones busy with quality cannon fodders first. After that he would take them out one by one, or go for a sudden strike to rescue Ace and retreat quickly. If what can satisfy you is only Whitebeard and Macro and Jose jumping in the middle of 5 Shichibukai and 3 admirals and Garp and Sengoku and what else and get their ass cooked, I would say there's no way OP could ever become that absurd, and you should just walk away. To sum it up, what you want is practically impossible for a mangaka to draw, and practically foolish for Whitebeard to do. But if Oda cannot draw Whitebeard and his captains, he turns to Luffy and draws him instead. And you keep bashing him for that, lol. Last edited by Cinocard; 2009-09-25 at 03:20. |
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And having Whitebeard do the job leaving the hero in the dust is also fanservice... Whitebeard fanservice. So its fanservice either way. Luffy fanservice versus Whitebeard fanservice. I don't see the point in this fanservice argument. |
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2009-09-25, 06:50 | Link #128 |
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Good chapter
Whitebeard hasn't joined the fight yet because he's being cautious- he knows Sengoku is planning something,so it's better for him to avoid reckless moves.The whole execution was to lure him to Marine HQ. Moria using zombies-so it's confirmed that there were some casualties already in the battle.Although with Jimbei present,Moria won't be able to do anything with them.I hope we'll see some new shadow abilities from him. So it seems Kuma works for Dragon,that explains why saved the Strawhats from Kizaru. Luffy had done well fighting Marines,but I think he won't do much more for a while,he's already tired,and now he used Gear Three.
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2009-09-25, 08:33 | Link #129 |
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You just got to love how Oda is able to show such a big battle but still adds so much humor. Those Buggy worshippers had me cracking up, probably the biggest fools I saw in a while. And Kizaru's face in itself is just so goofy that it cracks me up.
But what I really want to know is whether that giant that Luffy probably OHKO'd is a VA or not. I do doubt Oda would give Luffy already the honors to OHKO a giant va like WB even if it was Gear 3rd Rifle but you never know. If he was I'd have mixed feelings about it. But those giants are really spicing things up. the battle and making it fun to follow. Oars jr, that giant WB OHKOd and now this one. Then Luffy, oh Luffy I can always count on you to keep me entertained. At least your suicide run has more chance at succeeding. Talking casually with WB and jumping all relaxed of that ship while shouting and hogging the spotlight and making yourself a big target yet confident enough that he'll save his big brother. That's what you got to love about him.
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2009-09-25, 08:59 | Link #130 | |
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2009-09-25, 09:47 | Link #131 |
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It's not that I don't understand where Phenomenal is coming from, but... Well… I’ve dedicated a good amount of my time to another series just waiting for the main character to finally take the spotlight, but that moment never came. And when it did it was incredibly short lived, he decides that he doesn’t like violence anymore and that letting people beat the shit out of him is a better approach. Instead, it is the other guy (who should have been a side character) who keeps pushing the story forward. He is the one that all the girls want to fuck, all the guys want to fight, the one everyone else praise, and even his special power seems a lot more relevant to the story than the main character's special power. The story revolves around him and why everybody wants him. So, you see, when Luffy manages to be the center of attention even with all the world's big shots standing right next to him, it is very refreshing to me. I’m knocking myself out with One Piece, it’s everything I wanted the other series to be like - and then some.
And it’s not like Luffy is the only one trying to save Ace, just that he is the only one breaking formation. The other guys are experienced enough to know better than that. |
2009-09-25, 10:15 | Link #132 |
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the main issue with the idea the Marine's would send out everything they got is that's it's clearly implied that Sengoku has a hidden battle plan.
Whitebeard is experienced enough to know that Sengoku has a plan he just doesn't know what it is, as such he's holding back.
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2009-09-25, 10:21 | Link #133 |
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Awesome chapters. I like how the battle actually follow the real non-modern battle phrases instead of random duels while having cannon folders fighting in the background (like in that desert arc).
In another words: elite fighters first showed off their power to reduce opponents' morales. Then big clashes between frontline troops and the elites were reserved to keep the tides in their best favor and to be thrown all in when needs a break through. So If Luffy can turn a tide in his front, he gave the pirates the advantage of initiative and force the marines have to show their trump cards first
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2009-09-25, 10:37 | Link #134 | |
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Where obviously they get the stage wherever they appear xd Ontopic : /Boring,Luffy looks like a bug in-front of the big boys... I don't see him defeating anyone in this arc unless he already mastered some Haki. |
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2009-09-25, 11:23 | Link #136 | |
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He may be the strongest man in the world but he is NOT immortal or immune to damage. Why was Oar's jr. taken down so fast? it was because he charged in and got triple teamed by the shichibukai... if Whitebeard charged in right from the get go, he would get blasted from every direction by the 3 admirals, the 5 shichibukai, and whatever other kind of surprised Sen Goku has prepared for this war... its a damn good way to take on a lot of damage and get yourself killed Whitebeard is fighting with something we call INTELLIGENCE... He let's the others fight first, he lets the enemy divide up their forces, and show their hand... Hell it's even in his words at the beginning of this chapter; he knows that Sen Goku wants the pirates to panic, he knows that Sen Goku wants them to charge in a rush for Ace... If he charged in he would be playing right into Sengoku's hands... Whitebeard may be the strongest man in the world, but you should not underestimate Sen Goku... it's a good way to get yourself killed Besides, a true king doesn't need to fight himself... he shows his superiority by not fighting. Afterall, if the world gov't can't handle his minions, then what possible hope do they have against the king fact of the matter is, up till now, Whitebeard did not need to rush the field as he still had 2 hours to save Ace... Whitebeard will only rush in when he absoulty must... otherwise, his current methods are the smartest thing he could do right now. |
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2009-09-25, 11:33 | Link #137 | |
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Besides I doubt it has been more than couple of minutes since Whitebeard's fleet emerged. No doubt we will see Whitebeard in full action but for now he is just observing situation, commanding his forces, encouraging them and waiting that enemy will show its hand. He is acting like a real general, Whitebeard knows Sengoku from past and he dont underestimate him either. Its pretty fascinating how Luffys and Whitebeards relations were forged in mere two chapters, Whitebeard now truely likes Luffy and he has ordered his most valuable commander to protect Luffy. It is impossible to predict what happens on next chapter but since when Oda has let us down? |
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He should have been had Whitebeard pirates try to do what Luffy's doing right now chapters ago not become the tools for the mai ncharacter lol, terible fanservice. Quote:
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LULZ, Oars doesn't have elite commanders under him and he doesn't have quake powers that can shatter Admirals on point! I'm not just talking Whitebeard here I'm talking Whitebeard pirates...Yet we got retarded Luffy charging in [With back up from whitebeard pirates] and now you say whitebeard can't do the same with all the back up he's brought? ahahahahahaha |
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Which they've already done, and are still doing...or do you think all the pictures of characters fighting is just the marines practicing on each other what there going to do to Whitebeard and his 'family'? |
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2009-09-25, 13:21 | Link #140 | |
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Yeah, I also gotta admit that I find it kinda strange that people are chiding Newgate for actually playing it safe and biding his time before rescuing Ace himself. I'd think that would be a mark of his experience, right there. I mentioned this earlier, but when Luffy was running to Ace's rescue, he didn't have as much of an easy time getting past those marines as he did in Enies Lobby, seeing as he nearly got fried by one of Kizaru's beams and actually got injured by some of the grunts (and a good majority of THOSE guys are VAs too, remember). Obviously Luffy wouldn't go down as quickly as Oars did, but him and the giant already prove that Whitebeard made the smart choice in standing back and issuing commands to his forces.......
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Yeah, I had that thought, as well. If anything, it would be pretty sweet to see two Shichibukai squaring off against each other (well, one of them's technically a former Shichibukai now, but you get the idea). It would also be nice to see Hancock actually do something other than swooning over Luffy sometime within the next few chapters, too. |
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