2008-09-28, 21:19 | Link #3061 |
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@Fipskuul: I am not sure I understand. How is "gentle-offensive" actually bad? McCain painted, quite well, a worse case scenario if the President simply meets with an actual foreign leader without any pre-conditions (which would actually be the "neutral" path, similar to how Sweden or Switzerland during WWII dealt openly with both the axis and the allies), while Obama drove home the idea that a "harsh-offensive" policy in regards to diplomacy makes no sense and has never gotten the job done. So, "gentle-offensive" seems the only path left that could broker any actual possible truce or settlement (btw, I would expect that McCain would also follow a "gentle-offensive" path, the same as Obama).
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2008-09-28, 22:44 | Link #3066 | |
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I think that some situations you may want to use "gentle-offensive" because you dont want to come guns blazing and maybe damage relationship between that nation that including countries that is Allies and good friends to us. I know that Obama see that and wants to do that because you dont want to make a "Today" friend into a "Tomorrow" enemy. For the debates, I think that both candiates did well but at the end, Obama did what he had to do, and we can all see it in the polls (Obama +8).
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2008-09-28, 22:52 | Link #3067 |
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Obama stuck to the main points of what he's been saying, I'll give him that. Though, I'd have to agree with McCain. Simply saying, "No, you won't." wouldn't be my response. So the guy wants to take Israel off the face of the Earth. Hmm. My response would be, "You mean to say that innocent human lives have no value to you? Very well then. This will be your only warning: You carry out what you're threatening to do, which is a crime against humanity, and I will assure you here and now that you won't survive the first night." But, that's me. I wouldn't want to cater to terrorist threats, much less acts. They obviously have hostile intent. Why make it seem like we're begging them to stop?
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2008-09-28, 23:11 | Link #3068 | |
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The interpretation you gave is the latest impression Obama tries to make to correct his earlier stance, but, I honestly think it is just to defend his position against conservatives. His real stance I believe is to become more willingful than that, to make it become a more softly speaking version of it with no requirement of a stick attached to it. Otherwise, wouldn't it make his referral to change a bit less meaningful? |
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2008-09-28, 23:22 | Link #3069 | ||
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2008-09-28, 23:32 | Link #3072 | |
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"Axis of Evil" is a fancy way of saying whack a mole with other countries. |
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2008-09-28, 23:44 | Link #3075 |
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Yep, but that leash will break and we all know that, I think that "tough diplomacy" is much better then "threaten "axis of evil" Pre-emptive strikes?" anyday.
I want to see how the EV votes look now after what happen this weekend? I think Obama leads in some of BG states will get bigger and McCain/Palin has to knock it out of the park in those next 3 debates or they will lose this election.
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2008-09-28, 23:51 | Link #3077 |
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I think what scares people the most about McCain is that he'll continue threatening countries and getting us involved in more wars (war mongering/Bush's 3rd term).
I like Ron Paul's views on foreign policy. We should worry about our domestic probelms rather then trying to police the world. I think McCain will win the election because Obama will get swift boated when the election comes closer to the end. I.E Kerry. Maybe they do have a video of Michelle Obama saying she hates whitey =O |
2008-09-28, 23:58 | Link #3078 |
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Well, that doesn't make sense since in the debate, McCain actually questioned Obama's response to how to deal with Iraq. Obama said that the main focus should be Afghanistan, which McCain responded by saying that that would be impractical since that would mean we would be fighting two battles; Iraq and Afghanistan/Taliban. So, it's obvious McCain does see that we need to deal and conclude threats one at a time.
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2008-09-28, 23:59 | Link #3079 | |
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Only idiots start wars or continue pointless ones. |
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2008-09-29, 00:08 | Link #3080 |
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I was reading this article....
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/us...9campaign.html and this bit of whimsy sprang into my head: This election is really "Kirk vs Picard" ...... (but don't take this analogy too far - more like "old xenophobic Kirk vs young philosophical Picard").
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