2010-02-23, 00:33 | Link #101 | |
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2010-02-23, 06:51 | Link #102 |
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All of then still belive she can make wish come true, tough, and is why she is so important. IT is just that some don't believe she is really 'God', just that she has god-like powers (in the end, it is the same thing for them). Also, keep in mind it is 'God' as in 'Creator', not as 'omnipotent/scient being'.
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2010-02-23, 10:28 | Link #103 | |
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So, there should be more espers than Koizumi knows or he deliberately didnt tell Kyon about that
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2010-02-23, 10:34 | Link #104 |
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I've got a burning question in my mind about Koizumi (oh yes he is mysterious). In the animation of Sigh IV,
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This just seems to me that other than his Closed Space powers, he has enhanced intellect, speed, senses and strength. Then again, probably Kyon is just weak. Last edited by edkedkedk; 2010-02-23 at 10:47. Reason: Because Koizumi is too fast for you |
2010-02-23, 10:43 | Link #105 | |
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2010-02-23, 11:03 | Link #109 |
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During the baseball game, after they almost lose, all three react weirdly, I know Nagato could sense dimensional change, maybe Itsuki can detect close space or other supernatural stuff, but what about Mikuru?
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2010-02-23, 11:20 | Link #111 | |
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I kind of had that feeling, too. Even though he was the most open with Kyon (out of himself, Yuki, and Mikuru) in terms of information about his organization and what he could do, I always felt he held back some information about his abilities. Idk about the Light Novel, but in the anime we see him use his powers once, and even then it was for a short period of time and was shown from a far away angle. So I too think he has some abilities hidden in the dark that nobody knows about. |
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2010-02-23, 11:28 | Link #112 | |
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Of course, I don't remember any actual exemple when he was proven to be lieing or holding things from Kyon (insted of ben, maybe, just mistaken). In any case, I believe people should give Itsuki less credit them most give. Even if do not intent to lie, he might very well be completely wrong. Just because he is the one doing exposition don't mean that this exposition is correct, at it was pointed once in the novel/anime. Spoiler for Book 9:
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2010-02-23, 12:40 | Link #113 |
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... Did you miss the fact that Nagato also said that neither her nor Mikuru should be completely trusted? The point of those scenes wasn't to say Koizumi's a liar, it was to point out the fact that the three groups completely disagree with one another.
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2010-02-23, 16:18 | Link #114 |
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When I ever said the oposite? The point of this scene is mostly to tell us Itsuki is not that trustable... neither is Yuki or Mikuru. I never said you should trust one of then, just you shouldn't trust him.
Anyway, this scene mostly effect Itsuki, since, again, is pratically the only one who explain things (without too much technobable, at last). However, I still feel that most of the fans still takes what he says as gospel true. |
2010-02-23, 19:52 | Link #115 | |
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Frankly, I'm somewhat sceptical of his stories, but willing to accept them as plausible and most likely to be true, because usually there isn't much reason to disbelieve him. And when there is, I am ready to reevaluate what I think. |
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2010-02-23, 20:03 | Link #116 | |
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Yeah, I never trusted that Mikuru kid. I believed Koizumi, because he's so convincing. But, he's also a good actor. He could be bullshitting us |
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2010-02-23, 20:12 | Link #117 | |
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Seriously, I agree with what Yuki said as the conclusion to that whole set of scenes: There's no way for Kyon to be able to tell what the truth is, so there's no real way to fully trust any of the ITDE, Future-people, or Agency. Spoiler:
Personally, I think Koizumi's just being used as a plot-detailer since Yuki's meant to not be talkative and part of Mikuru's charm is her inability to know things that are commonplace in the "past." That's the only reason I trust him as much as I do with certain things, but not wholeheartedly, since he's proven himself to lie about the plot.
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2010-02-24, 00:44 | Link #118 | ||||
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The don't have similar conclusions, they is pretty much the oposite (the World is isn danger(Koizumi) vs the World itself is never in danger (Nagato) vs The World can't be in danger (Asahina)). At last one of then need to be wrong, that person can be Itsuki. Before this scene we never really have any reason to think the explanation Itsuki gave in Melancholy was wrong. Nowe we have. Quote:
Wouldn't him? Seriously, I agree with what Yuki said as the conclusion to that whole set of scenes: There's no way for Kyon to be able to tell what the truth is, so there's no real way to fully trust any of the ITDE, Future-people, or Agency. Spoiler:
You have a point he. However, I would say Itsuki's lie is pretty much inocent, and Yuki's may be more a mistake then a lie. Yeah, I don't trus Mikuru either. In any case, the most trustable person in the Brigade is Haruhi. Quote:
Also, many Koizumi's explanation are, by his own adimission, just theories (many of then ecen sound it is being made on spot). Even for Itsuki, they are not meant to be taken as true ("Haruhi is God" is the prime exemple). However, Itsuki's theory is good for Kyon, and us, readers, because it provide some explanation. I am not telling Itsuki has an evil plan or something (tough it is a possibility), just that he is not the guardian of truth. |
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2010-02-24, 03:56 | Link #120 |
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One thing to keep in mind is that the only thing Itsuki has really revealed about himself is that his entire personality is fabricated. How can you trust anything he says? You can't even trust that he's always lying. He's a walking, (close) talking, smiling "liar paradox".
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