2008-05-22, 12:19 | Link #1241 | |
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...Huh? Of course, that is how this story was made. I am saying that it would have been nice if they went about it the other way. Lelouch and Suzaku being "friends" isn't really a huge point of emphasis in this story. It's just "there". The friends turning into enemies theme is a great one if done well. If it was done, it could have added to the story significantly. The story just didn't go that route, which to me is a shame. Comparing this ability or that ability? I'm not talking about their abilities enhancing their teamwork, I'm talking about the aspects of relationships, especially in close friendship. Envy, desire, pride, anger, hate, love, respect, devotion, empathy, trust, etc. Do you really care if your best friend runs faster than you or is better at chess? Only if you pride yourself in those areas as well. Jealousy or overshadowing can be wrought by one constantly in the limelight and the other not, correct? There are many ways that one friend can be overshadowed by another. Friendships don't revolve around abilities. They constantly revolve around the interactions and the surrounding events. Last edited by tenken627; 2008-05-22 at 13:01. |
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2008-05-22, 13:05 | Link #1243 | |
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Yeah, I'm not such a Suzaku fan either, I stopped liking him in episode 23. Despite the fact that I dislike him, I really love his character development, he's the perfect match for Lelouch. I just wish Lelouch and Suzaku could meet eye to eye again D: |
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2008-05-22, 14:06 | Link #1246 |
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Lol hate, I don't hate Suzu, I won't bash him or anything, On the contrary I praise his personality and his role in this series, it gives the show more plot twists, which keeps the suspense up, which makes me happy. >_>; Even if he is my least favorite. |
2008-05-22, 14:43 | Link #1247 | |
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Until Euphie's name is cleared, which will be impossible, that massacre will always tail behind Suzaku. Even if he brings it into some golden age or something they'll never get over that betrayal. |
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2008-05-22, 15:46 | Link #1248 | ||
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To me Suzaku's "change from within" means to gain enough power to change the rule without too much bloodshed, when he obtain that power he won't just sit back and relax but begin making a better country where Japanese=Britanian.He's not as smart as Lelouch but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a brain!! Quote:
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2008-05-22, 15:56 | Link #1249 |
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I'm not too sure of that. Sure, the massacre will always be a stain on his reputation with the japanese, but as Ashram pointed out in Record of Lodoss War the TV series, what the people in general want is not necressarilly to be freed from the country in question, but to be freed from tyranny - so as long as Suzaku brought some amount of peace and proserity to the people. they'd tolerate him at the very least. I sort of find it hard to believe that Suzaku'd succceed with that though; he's not the leader/politican-type, he's a warrior and idealist and that's about it...
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2008-05-22, 16:02 | Link #1250 | |
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Will he start creating harsh penalties for any Britannian that treats a Japanese wrong? Will he force Britannians to give up their wealth and disperse it among the Japanese population? How would the Britannians feel? To say that you want to create equality is all nice, but it is much much easier said than done. To do it his way, he is going to have to change whole cultures, something that is not given up easily and not easily done even in one or two generations. And, it doesn't give what the Japanese what they truly want. True self-governance and real sovereignty. To achieve those goals, Suzaku wouldn't be aiming at ruling Japan under Britannia's name, he would be aiming for peaceful secession internally within the Empire. |
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2008-05-22, 16:06 | Link #1251 | |
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It puts the Japanese at the same level as the britannians. Meaning that they'll have equal opportunity at least to have a reasonable good life (I'm guessing some jobs are not allowed to be given to numbers and so forth). You don't have to change anything actually. Just remove the laws that discriminate or pamper the numbers from the britannians. I mean American culture didn't exactly change drarmatically when they started to treat african-americans more equally did it and the caucisans didn't exactly had to start dispersing their wealth to them. |
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2008-05-22, 16:18 | Link #1252 | |
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Also, it's a socio-economic thing. The Britannians have all the wealth in Japan. Are you going to take it from them? You could do so, but that would make for a lot of angry Britannians who are one side of the equation as well. How else are you going to promote equality? Are you going to leave the wealth with the Britannians and leave the Japanese without? Are you going to let Japanese in as part of the governing process? The Empire isn't a democracy by any means. Are you going to install some sort of pseudo-puppet government? Where do you start? |
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2008-05-22, 16:23 | Link #1253 | |
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Which of course is sorta the path Nunnally and Suzaku wants. The slow one.
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2008-05-22, 16:42 | Link #1254 | |
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You've given Britannian status to all Japanese, fine. Will that make everything better? They may be "equal" in name, but in reality, are they really equal? Just because a Japanese has honorary Britannian status, are they really much more tolerable to real Britannians? Does this mean that Japanese are superior in status to other ethnic groups from other conquered countries, or is it just within Japan alone? Do the Japanese ghettos become more of an economic "prison" instead of a social one? More importantly, will they move out? Can they govern themselves? Can they govern other Britannians? Ideally? Realistically? It's very naive to go into such a deep social and political maneuvering with just that thought alone (SAZ or KoO Territory), no matter how good the intentions are. There are very very few colonies that haven't gotten independence yet from their former territorial masters. Especially if that colony has an indigenous population unlike that of the conquering nation's. It just doesn't work well without military might. And it is especially hard to change a culture when the head of the Empire spews out his "The strong survives, and the weak perishes" speeches that will only embolden a Britannian's feeling of superiority. Last edited by tenken627; 2008-05-22 at 17:02. |
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2008-05-22, 16:55 | Link #1255 | |
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-By the way, isn't it ironic that Suzaku wants a road with as little bloodshed as possible and yet to become a Knight of One he has to slaughter all whom he is told to in order to advance in ranks?
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2008-05-22, 17:45 | Link #1256 | ||
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I think he has more or less discarded the bloodshed part ever since Euphie incident.And he only slaughter soldiers not civilians. |
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2008-05-22, 18:37 | Link #1257 | |
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(e.g. Euphie was governor of Area 11, but she was powerless to chose her own favorite painting.) 2. And it is true Suzaku doesn't get his hands dirty with Civilian blood. But he is currently conquering Europe with the intent of turning it into Numbered areas, which means they will become Zones of civilian killing like the rest of them. He knows it, and does it anyway. He doesn't care when OTHER people kill civilians, because it is legal under Britannian law.
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2008-05-22, 18:54 | Link #1258 | |
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-Not true. He could have chosen to become a political figure like Martin Luther king and proceed with his plans that way. Instead he chose to serve a foreign military power without a second thought, a plan that doomed his "I don't want to kill people" speech. We know that Honorary Britanians gain more rights as civilians so why not try being a "peaceful revolutionary"?
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2008-05-22, 19:37 | Link #1259 | ||
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2.It's not a wise choice at all and he'll be kill before he can do anything. |
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2008-05-22, 19:46 | Link #1260 | |
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I dont see how did USJ mutilated their friends and family, robbed them of their land and nationality and then forced them to share Japan like they've been friends from the start? The Order has always being by the Jap for the Japs. Most probably believe that Zero is a japanese. and to add on.. "less Japanese lives as well as Britanians lives will be sacrifice if they accept Suzaku and life will go on just as it has being before the rebellion" I dont see why slaughtering soldiers arent bloodshed they're humans.. fulfilling their jobs to protect the 'innocent' civilians
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