2009-08-25, 14:52 | Link #61 |
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Um, Rurik is far more of a Naruto fan than anything else. Instead of leaping to the conclusion that he is a fanboy, please read his statement again. He clearly says that all the mangaka have this problem (and they do, its similar to the problem of why characters don't start battles with their strongest techniques, somthing no mangaka can clearly explain), he was not indicating that One Piece was somehow better, just similar. Consequently, he was proving that needlessly complain about something that is similar amongst all Shounen manga is foolish if you only single out one particular title. If Phenomenal is willing to say that this occurance in all manga is bad writing, the Rurik point would be disproved, otherwise it still stands.
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2009-08-25, 14:56 | Link #64 |
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I put on examples, but my post was aim as an overall , as I said “in any other series”, any one that reads more that 2 mangas (or comic books for that matter) can tell that the “Could’ve had , Would had, didn’t do” is part of those type of series story progression.
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2009-08-25, 15:07 | Link #66 | |
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But, of course, you can always say that, the only reason Moria didn't use that move against the Straw hats is because he didn't want to kill them which would also mean throwing away some valuable shadows. Now, if someone wants to make him a stupid character in this story, that is fine with me. They should just say this openly. |
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2009-08-25, 15:07 | Link #67 |
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You don't know if shadow box is move that take all his shadows to form no matter his size .We still don't how spear is form until we see pics or would he have the amount left back to form the spear ,he might only be able to form it with all his shadow.We don't even know if moria can do more than 1 type of shadow attack at once.
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2009-08-25, 15:12 | Link #68 | |
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2009-08-25, 15:24 | Link #69 |
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One a side note i think that pic with oars jr have something stab in him is moria . From looks of it moria just made his shadow go up and oars jr fall on it not to certain. Will have to see better quality pics. So it does not really look like what call a weapon he just made his shadow go up with a point and oars jr fall on top it .
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2009-08-25, 16:09 | Link #70 |
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It just goes to show how strong Oars is that it took 3 Shichbukai to bring him down. I don't believe he is dead. Zoro has suffered some injuries by all logic he should have died from many times, as is the case with Luffy. I think Oars is out for now, but no way is that monster is dead.
It also shows how cruel the Marines are. They want Ace to be a broken man, by the time his execution comes to be. |
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Ok, trouble your brains a little now and think; WHOS SHADOW OZ WAS USING? Listen I even answer you, Luffys. Why did every victim whose shadow was stolen was released? Because if shadows original user dies so will shadow and it will be back as corpse. Moria would not kill Luffy with his spears, if he would Oz would been reduced as corpse and his ideal gumi-gumi powers would be evaporated aswell. Stop pretending to be so damn all knowing when you really dont know a jack... Quote:
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2009-08-25, 17:21 | Link #72 | |
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2009-08-25, 19:17 | Link #73 | |
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Oars was an extension of Moria's power. Moria was only using his devil fruit to its utmost potential (implanting shadows into corpses), so using Oars as a tool was completely fair game. However, the 100 shadow power up Luffy got did not come from his own abilities, and therein lies the difference between both of their power ups. Luffy, with his own abilities, was not capable of achieving the ludicrous level of power he had in his nightmare form; he had to get help from outside interference to attain that high level, so how can you say Luffy is stronger than him? This is why you can't just look at the results when making strength comparisons. Also, like I suspected, Moria didn't show his full arsenal of moves back at Thriller Bark. Making a shadow lance was pretty creative on his part. I wonder what other tricks he has up sleeve.
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2009-08-25, 19:36 | Link #74 | |
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Ah, nice to see that the spoilers from yesterday were actually confirmed to be true! So we finally see Hancock in action, eh? By the way, about Oars' possible death, aohige followed up his translation with this:
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Still, the fact that people are actually losing limbs is already a sign that this war is no joke (and at least it seems to be implied that Oars Jr. gets finished off by Moria....). Speaking of Moria, it's pretty cool to see that he reveals a new shadow technique (would've been neat to see him use that spear against Luffy at Thriller Bark, but whatever). Hopefully, he'll pull some more tricks up from his sleeve as the war continues..... |
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2009-08-25, 19:39 | Link #75 |
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^Actually, we still haven't seen Hancock in full action. She still has Haoushoku Haki, and whatever that ability can do (besides knock out large amounts of people).
As for Moria, we, or at least I, already assumed that he could form shadow weapons, the only question is what he could do with them (i.e. are they singular weapons; can he split them up into smaller weapons; etc). |
2009-08-25, 19:46 | Link #76 | |
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2009-08-25, 20:12 | Link #77 | ||
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I know that, but at least we're learning that she's doing something other than petrifying/charming all of the fodder guys. Still, I guess we have to wait until we see her fight against a halfway decent opponent before she reveals the full extent of her abilities (like a Whitebeard commander or NW captain or something)..... Quote:
Yeah, forming shadows from weapons was also an ability I've been expecting to see from Moria since TB (though again, I just wish that he revealed that particular ability during the storyline in question). It's nice to know that his powers have that sort of versatility. And hopefully, we'll see Moria make Oars III into his newest zombie slave (provided the giant actually DOES die at the end of this chapter)...... |
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2009-08-25, 20:29 | Link #78 | ||
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Because our view on power ups are not the same , oars is not part of moria power , he can control shadows. If luffy was to meet moria in the war right now there is no oars to help him . So moria finding a body of a super giant ,have hogback make a cock pit in him while make sure he is top form also having spiders help steal luffy shadow is fair game but luffy having the will power to hold in 100 shadow is not fair bullshit. Moria would have not even fight the SH if was not for kuma telling him the WG think he might lose he was going let oars do all the work mean while the SH would gotten the salt in oars mouth . Which means he would still not have him to fight with . Plus nightmare luffy did not beat moria gear 2 and 3 combine beat him , and if you happen to forget luffy same power up almost total wipe him out of all the power he had he could hardly stand after it . Quote:
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That's right. And you, nor anyone else, can say with complete certainty that Luffy is stronger than Moria himself. He didn't even get a chance to fight seriously and at peak condition. Luffy took the victory with the aid of a power that doesn't even belong to him. It was Moria and his gang vs. the strawhats, and the strawhats wouldn't have been able to prevail if it wasn't for the assistance of the rolling pirates. The rolling pirates played the role of outside interference and this cannot be denied.
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