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That said though, I do agree that there has to be some sort of anti-bullshit thing, to avoid say, Arakawa being nominated for best Mystery/Horror. But overall, I think AnimeSuki users have been responsible enough to keep the choices realistically sane, so... Quote:
As for the genres, I've been looking at what we have right now, and I can't think of many changes to do. Someone before mentioned the Slice of Life being something that doesn't has a very solid definition, since you could probably fit a slice of life show into countless other categories. I think that's correct, seeing as these shows usually have a romance or drama focus to them. Also the Worst Character category needs to be changed or simply axed, there's no way something where the "winner" ends up with as many votes as the abstained ones can go on. Also! Going 180º spin here: Regarding the animation category, this is a bit "eh" to me. At first I was thinking that maybe we should have two categories, one for TV-series and another one for movies, but then it hit me that I still consider Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood to be much better animated than, say, Unlimited Blade Works. What I'm trying to say is, some people might look at animation and simply see how fluid it is, and if it has more in-between animation then it's automatically better (see: UBW). Personally, I'm not like that, I'm always going to value a lot more the work of the key animators, and how well he tackles the overall movements among other things. Not to mention style, too. If we have to pick between something that's really fluid but consists only of two guys exchanging sword blows at really "normal" angles and with not a lot else going on and something like this, I'd take the latter any day. In the end, maybe leaving Visuals/Animation as is is for the best. Most users probably don't care/know/are able to pinpoint the difference well enough, so it makes me think that it's alright to have it all coupled together and let people decide for themselves what exactly pleases them in animation, to avoid making it too confusing and scaring people away from the awards.
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2011-02-17, 13:08 | Link #43 |
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Animesuki users seem to be just biased towards one overall category or another; inevitably this leads to some categories getting "popularity" pollution rather then valid entries. This is more evident in the nomination phase then the voting phase. We should have a poll with "what genre is your favorite?" (choices: Action, Comedy, Drama, Slice of Life, etc). I'm pretty sure we won't get the even distribution required to give the current system credibility.
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2011-02-17, 14:42 | Link #44 | ||
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{I} Fanservice (there's nothing really that can be done about that. I whilst I don't think a show deserves an award for Fanservice, that is purely my perspective.) {J} Sports/Games (renaming it to Sports/Games/Hobbies will probably remedy that) {P} OVA (I'm not sure about combining it with movies but it seems like a good idea. i suppose it depends on what others think.) I also agree that if we will change the amount of categories, then there should be less and not more. But just to be clear, whilst i don't mind trimming down the number, I'm actually fairly happy as it is. I think this number is just about right and i don't think a drastic reduction is needed purely for the sake of reduction. I think combining Slice and Life and Drama together is a good idea but I'm not sure about combining those with Romance. And I'll definitely give clearer definitions on what each category is next time. Quote:
And I counted the nominations for Action and i don't recall Cross Game coming up. Even if that sort of thing happened, only a few nutjobs would do it and the Nomination phase would be more than enough to cut that kind of crap (though admittedly The Bugged Game still got through...)
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2011-02-17, 14:55 | Link #45 |
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Just placed the awards with their respective winners...will probably cajigger them later to look a little better (and will eventually move the Announcements in the sub-forums to the various Overall Series Impression threads).
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2011-02-17, 15:59 | Link #46 |
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@james. I'll make statement, let me know if it's true of false: "You don't use the daily view of the forum." May I suggest using just one announcement for the entire Anime Discussion category only.
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2011-02-17, 17:37 | Link #50 | |
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OVA's don't really have a reason to have their own category when so little content is produced and thus nominations are far and few in between. I think what we should aim for in the choice awards is to get almost every category as unique as possible, while still getting a good amount of participation in each category. As for combining romance and slice of life and romance... Well, there are very few true dramas by anime standards out there. When people are thinking of dramatic in anime the most people come up with are things like Clannad, which usually also involves romance elements. At the very least I'd like to see drama and slice of life combined. The definition of slice of life is much too cryptic anyways, and even if we try to lay a clear definition, we'll get a lot of people disagreeing.
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2011-02-17, 18:25 | Link #51 |
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I don't think combining Slice of Life with anything is a good idea. I feel like that'll just cause confusion/arguments, especially when shows considered "Slice of Life" vary so much. I don't think Chi's Sweet Home and Clannad belong in a Drama category together, which is something that could actually happen if you do that. Slice of Life just needs to be removed and people need to fit those shows into a better-defined category instead.
As for having one show dominating all categories... I think in the discussions about how to improve from last year, some system was determined where the genre category a show got the most votes in would stick to that category and be removed from the others. I don't really remember the specifics of that though, or why it wasn't done this time since the awards were started by the same person.
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2011-02-17, 21:01 | Link #52 |
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I think there should be some control over category domination, but I also feel it should be reasonably loose in that respect. I don't like the idea of stifling a vote that's supposed to be user choice awards, but at the same time, something shouldn't be allowed to get chosen in every single major category available.
I think it's something that should be monitored, but maybe take a wait and see approach to see if it is an issue rather than try to write up rules that end up locking out series for all sorts of reasons that the voters disagree with. This year could be an anomaly in this respect. For the categories that had large number of abstentions, perhaps it would be useful to permit a larger pool of nominated items into the list for voting. I know I personally abstained from a handful of categories simply because I hadn't see any of the shows for which the available choices were from. I am in favour of keeping the total number of available categories limited to what we have right now, either by combining existing ones together or dropping ones to make room for any new ones. Too many categories I feel will lead to mayhem during the nomination period and may turn some people away if they see there's like 50 categories to fill out.
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I don't vote in these usually but I think removing the slice of life category would be a bad idea since there are some shows like K-On which are pretty much just slice of life and nothing else.
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2011-02-18, 02:55 | Link #55 | |
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I guess the problem is, what do you then limit? Category? Major Category? Do you say if a show was nominated for best character or best overall that they're ineligible for all other categories? Do we limit to say 2 major, best overall for type and then any volume of minor categories such as best/worst characters? What would be considered a "sweep" of the awards since even under that scenario a show could come out with 5 or more awards. I just don't want to turn the nomination period into some sort of shadow vote where people are strategically nominating shows they don't really care about in the hopes of pushing the show they want out of certain categories so that the category they want the show to be in comes up. Ideally a group would determine before the nomination period what anime is eligible for nominations in a given category and then let the users go at it, it would still allow for a show to sweep the awards, but would permit a more controlled sweep. This would probably however involve way more work than it's worth.
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The thing is, if there is a single anime that the majority believe to be the best in multiple genres then why shouldn't it go on to win those categories? Should we really deny it that just because some believe the reasons behind such votes to be more cynical than that? Also, about the Move/Ova thing, I feel it's neccessary to take into account that it actually used to be 'Shorts' the first time but the guy hosting the awards changed the rules in 2008:
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2011-02-18, 04:26 | Link #58 | |
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Each genre award should cater to the fans of the genre. If you were a fan of Romantic Drama and a washy Comedy won the award, or vice versa, how would you feel about it?
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2011-02-18, 04:39 | Link #59 |
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Well I say genres but we don't really know what those categories mean when saying "Action" or "Comedy". Theme is probably the better word and i wouldn't mind defining the categories as such. Genre debates are almost impossible to resolve.
Also, I would usually define a romance drama with comedy as a Romcom...
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2011-02-18, 04:53 | Link #60 |
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Themes are…cheap. Personally I feel it would degrade the contest; I'd rather just have themes and genre split so both sides are satisfied. In other words any show could win the 'romance' theme, but no show will ever win both the Romcom and Romance genres (or implicitly the overarching genres: Drama and Comedy). As I mentioned earlier I'm only against the "bullshit situations," not shows winning multiple (unrelated) categories.
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