Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[Rising Dragon]

The trolling isn't necessary, guys.

[Nina Einstein]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

No reason to? What's there to discuss, really? From crazy xenophobic bitch to mildly accepting repentant woman.

She's absolutely not a bitch!! She's a great contribution to the series. Code Geass wouldn't be Code Geass without her.

Why oh why can't people appreciate her more? Everyone just loves C.C., Shirley, Kallen, and Anya, but they're not near as great as Nina.

[Eleonore Magilinon]

Nina Einstein (as a forum member), the reason we're not discussing Nina now is because our topics change all the time. I'm sure that among 263 pages of this discussion some of them were dedicated to her. But the question is, what you propose as a topic of discussion on her.
The reason people discuss (and not just "love") C.C., Kallen etc is because they had more screen-time and thus their characters got more development for us to discuss. It's not merely a question of their achivements.

Although I agree that Nina is an interesting character. Although her role was that of a person who so decidedly and unexplainably refused to accept others (in her case, elevens) merely because they're "different" and so had to learn the hard way, I still like her. Here we have another person who didn't understand what one was doing until it was too late. She's genius, but she doesn't possess a strong will so she was easily attached to strong-willed people and easy to manipulate, but she wasn't rotten to the core. She paid a great price for her delusions but I think she became a lot wiser after such a hash lesson. I wonder what will she do in the future)
But it's rather an opinion of her, and the question is what you suggest as a discussion. As for me, I wonder where her phobia of "elevens" originates from, is there a definite reason for it (jt wasn't prooved otherwise at least) and what she'll devote herself to in the future... Will she continue with "active" science or she had enough for the rest of her life...

P.S. To other forum members, I'm with Rising Dragon, if you're so wise you can be a little more tolerable and welcoming to newcomers.

[Code Geass]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

No reason to? What's there to discuss, really? From crazy xenophobic bitch to mildly accepting repentant woman.

Honestly, I couldn't agree more.

[Levy]

well, you know, Eleonore, jumping in a thread and going all *outraged* is not a wise way to stimulate a discussion, it stimulates trolling instead... but let's try the constructive way..

so, Nina, I've been busy with porn last week and lost track of all the discussions in here, hence I'm more than willing to start a discussion anew. Give us the many reasons why you think that Nina is awesome and a fundamental character in Geass. In a way, it's true that her personal arc is very emblematic of the 'transformation through trauma' Lelouch yearned for.. but let's stop my rambling here, I want to hear your version before. =)



Love for underappreciated characters is always a good element of variety, I have a gigantic crush on Chiba and Cécile for example, and they are wonderfull women highly unappreciated.

[Eleonore Magilinon]

well, you know, Eleonore, jumping in a thread and going all *outraged* is not a wise way to stimulate a discussion, it stimulates trolling instead... but let's try the constructive way..

I know that (and I've noticed it very well))) That's why I said "tolerate") Especially when this way of expressing oneself reminds cutely of a character in question) Since trolling a newcomer rather then trying to correct her ways is as immature.

And I'm also waiting for your version on Nina)

And Levy, I'm not sure about Chiba, but I would love to discuss Cecile, she's also one of my favorites... (oh well, I love most of characters, but maybe it's a group of closer ones?)
But lately I'm a bit confused about her... I used to picture her as a really kind and shy person plus really talented (on the level of Lloyd and Rakshata and also the only one to be tolerable as a pilot) who kinda kept Lloyd from doing something too outrageous. I wondered why she worked for Lloyd and thought that she liked to work under a command rather than making her own reseach and being in charge of everything and also I thought she understood Lloyd (I have a theory that he's not as indifferent as he tries to look)... But as I rewatched R2 closely I was held back a bit on her own indifferent acting during Zero's affair with Nunally and new SAZ and especially with her act after first FLEIJA (playing pool?) Actually the last scene is the only one I want to blame on authors, I just can't buy the act of all the characters there...
So now I'm not sure about what to think about Cecile... What is your vision of her?

[egotist]

Originally Posted by Nina Einstein

She's absolutely not a bitch!! She's a great contribution to the series. Code Geass wouldn't be Code Geass without her.

Why oh why can't people appreciate her more? Everyone just loves C.C., Shirley, Kallen, and Anya, but they're not near as great as Nina.

This is your personal interpretation, just how you like Nina, other people dislike her. And personally, i think they have more reasons to do so, compared to the girls you did mention. But i guess, in fiction it is all relevant when it comes down to it.

[bladeofdarkness]

i honestly dont know if its a troll or not
i was almost ready to believe that it isnt
but then this comment comes along

She's absolutely not a bitch!! She's a great contribution to the series. Code Geass wouldn't be Code Geass without her.

Why oh why can't people appreciate her more? Everyone just loves C.C., Shirley, Kallen, and Anya, but they're not near as great as Nina.

and now im not sure
its like saying that matsuda was the star of death note

[Eleonore Magilinon]

and now im not sure
its like saying that matsuda was the star of death note

Maybe she meant the achivements (well, creating FLEIJA is something grand)... Then again, I agree with you, the comment was too much.

[Nogitsune]

I present to you... the Awesome Character Ranking List of Doom!

Clovis > Nina > Pizza Hut > everyone else.



No, really. I don't understand why half of the people here have to jump the Nina fan. If they are a troll, they get cake from me for the use of the word "outrageous". If they aren't, they get cake from me because their first posting wasn't really that agressive.
And to answer the original question: It's because the most awesome characters just aren't fangirled enough.
Definitely! xD

[egotist]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

I present to you... the Awesome Character Ranking List of Doom!

Clovis > Nina > Pizza Hut > everyone else.



No, really. I don't understand why half of the people here have to jump the Nina fan. If they are a troll, they get cake from me for the use of the word "outrageous". If they aren't, they get cake from me because their first posting wasn't really that agressive.
And to answer the original question: It's because the most awesome characters just aren't fangirled enough.
Definitely! xD

No one did jump to the Nina fan and frankly i do not get where you are coming from? Her/his post was already aggressive to begin with, just because you might actually like Nina, you cannot post in a double standard way, accusing half of the people, that it is already a mistake, but not the poster who was a bit hostile.
Do not apply your preference to defend/attack someone, and ignoring what does actually happen.

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by egotist

No one did jump to the Nina fan and frankly i do not get where you are coming from? Her/his post was already aggressive to begin with, just because you might actually like Nina, you cannot post in a double standard way, accusing half of the people, that it is already a mistake, but not the poster who was a bit hostile.
Do not apply your preference to defend/attack someone, and ignoring what does actually happen.

Errr.
Actually, I don't like Nina that much.
And yes, "half the people" was definitely an exaggeration, but calling Nina a bitch in front of a fan of hers - a bit agressive or not - is not very nice.

But basically, I was just being random as usual and getting protective of newbies, so don't mind me.

[egotist]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Errr.
Actually, I don't like Nina that much.
And yes, "half the people" was definitely an exaggeration, but calling Nina a bitch in front of a fan of hers - a bit agressive or not - is not very nice.

But basically, I was just being random as usual and getting protective of newbies, so don't mind me.

If you look how the snowball of posting was initiated, you will get your reply. Anyway, i am not keen on being a part of semi-trolling posts, or when the debate clearly shows it will not have a constructive outcome, (referring to Nina, not you) so i guess enough i talked about it.

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by egotist

If you look how the snowball of posting was initiated, you will get your reply. Anyway, i am not keen on being a part of semi-trolling posts, or when the debate clearly shows it will not have a constructive outcome, (referring to Nina, not you) so i guess enough i talked about it.

Actually, I don't think the question "why isn't anyone discussing Nina?!" is a crime (a bit agressive, yes, but really not that bad), and the word "outrageous" in that context sounds cute, if anything... if I hadn't read the next posting, I'd have said it was meant as a joke.

In any case, trolling should be ignored, not fueled.
And maybe I should take my own adivce and also leave it at that, because yeah, it might indeed be trolling. However, you never know.

[egotist]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Actually, I don't think the question "why isn't anyone discussing Nina?!" is a crime (a bit agressive, yes, but really not that bad), and the word "outrageous" in that context sounds cute, if anything... if I hadn't read the next posting, I'd have said it was meant as a joke.

In any case, trolling should be ignored, not fueled.
And maybe I should take my own adivce and also leave it at that, because yeah, it might indeed be trolling. However, you never know.

And the replies that did follow were not that bad either. And i was mostly referring to the second post that poster made, which is clearly marked as aggressive. Anyway, i am done about this subject.

[bladeofdarkness]

morbo said that she WAS a crazy xenophobic bitch before getting some development in the other way
and its TRUE
she really WAS the sort of character who everyone hates before ep 19
and for a good set of reasons which i wont list here becouse i dont want to spread hate
all i'm going to say is that her reaction to suzaku and kallen in turn 9 was enough of a clue that this is a person who you wouldnt want as a friend

[Eleonore Magilinon]

Originally Posted by egotist

or when the debate clearly shows it will not have a constructive outcome

Unfortunately I'm afraid of the same thing. But I won't give up hope until I actually see it)

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Clovis > Nina > Pizza Hut > everyone else.

I just loved that)))))) You're awesome, have I told you?) And now that I have a chance I should also say I loved the "let's play the blame game" comment a couple of pages before)
You and bladeofdarkness ended the discussion for me before I even got a chance to say something)))))

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

all i'm going to say is that her reaction to suzaku and kallen in turn 9 was enough of a clue that this is a person who you wouldnt want as a friend

True) But it didn't make any of the student council members change their opinion of her as a friend)

[bladeofdarkness]

didnt say that it did
just that she wasnt a very stable person most of the time
and VERY MUCH not a likable one until VERY late in the show
and why do you speak like that)

[morbosfist]

Now we have a reason to discuss Nina. Forum Nina should be happy.

Even though they thought of her as a friend, her attitude was no doubt off-putting, Probably helped that they didn't have to put up with it for the most part.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Now we have a reason to discuss Nina. Forum Nina should be happy.

considering WHAT we're discussing about her
i kinda doubt it