2008-07-13, 20:37 | Link #41 | |
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Anyway, they might worry people if their own promo video doesn't even work anymore. lol I wonder if it was flagged...
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2008-07-13, 20:59 | Link #42 | |
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There really is a legitimate concern about DRM, product packaging, digital delivery and the like. I'm really not trying to dismiss that. But more often than not, I find the legitimate concern is being drowned out by overt hypocrisy. People here obviously don't have a problem with downloading stuff as a concept. And it seems to me that most people seem to somehow find ways around security measures in those cases. So I have a bit of a hard time believing that DRM alone could be the only reason why someone wouldn't buy the game. (Besides that, like I said, I'm quite confident that the company will let people re-activate beyond the limit if you E-mail them your proof of purchase. This isn't a "software rental".) And just to be doubly-clear, I am not accusing anyone here of being a hypocrite or of being insincere about their concerns. Really, I'm not. But I do think we have to be careful in our criticisms and not make mountains out of things that we know, honestly, are molehills. Sometimes you need to work from within the system to bring about change. Anyway, all that aside, the news that they're aware of our concerns over the translation quality is good. If seemingly every other gaming company on the planet can release games and patch them after release, then I can't be too upset about that. Here's hoping the product quality is worthy of the original works. |
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2008-07-14, 20:30 | Link #43 |
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In all honesty, this wouldn't be the first, nor be the last game I would 'bypass' the DRM even though I bought the original copy if in the case I did buy it. God knows how many of my PSP UMDs I've ripped to my stick just to decrease load times (though technically not DRM, still 'illegal' since it involves tampering with the firmware), or even how many times I 'ignored' virtual mate (good riddance, I say) on some of my older english eroges that used to come with it.
And I'm not asking like limited edition box set quality. I'm perfectly fine with how some english eroges are published right now; a pretty looking case, with a colour card in the inside with the list and pics of the characters. Heck, even charge us customers who want it like 40 bucks plus S&H ON TOP of the price of the original game; I don't care, I just want it. But if I'm only buying the virutal copy? It'd be indirectly supporting DRM, and would set a precedent for other companies to folow if successful. On the other hand, I want more of these kind of games coming this side of the pacific, especially with the recent loss of Hirameki on the non-eroge side of things (cuddles his complete collection of them ^_^). So while I'm on the fence right now, if in the case I choose NOT to buy it, I certainly wouldn't try to 'pirate' the game just to play. God knows how much of a backlog I have with my RPGs to even have the time to try and get this game to even work on my computer. >_>
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The whole thing leaves me wondering whether the MangaGamer people ever thought about approaching the J-List people about some sort of arrangement for a physical product (since they clearly already have the infrastructure to support that sort of thing). That might not be such a bad arrangement, if it were possible. |
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2008-07-14, 23:08 | Link #45 |
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I wonder what they will do if they actually end up releasing physical copies. What will they do for those that have already purchased the download beforehand? I hope they would give those people some sort of discount (like pay the hopefully small difference). I certainly don't want to pay for a game twice.
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2008-07-15, 06:56 | Link #46 |
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It's great that the market is expanding. But, I don't like the download-only option with DRM. And here's my main reason:
My main computer still runs Win95, and it's sufficient to play most eroges translated to English today. I bought Figures of Happiness on release, but couldn't play it because Virtual Mate was designed for Win98. Then months later, an official patch to remove Virtual Mate came out, and I was able to play the game without any problems. Since the games MangaGamer is releasing are obviously older games, I'm sure they'd run on Win95 if there was no DRM.
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2008-07-15, 18:49 | Link #47 |
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While I don't like the idea of DRM, with this sort of game it doesn't put me off too much. For this type of game I'll tend to try go through every story and CG within about a week or two anyway then proberly not pick it up again. If it's bypassed somehow though I'd proberly be happier and store the download files and any bypass for later installs.
The price is a bit much but not really bad, I'd proberly not even complain about it if it was D.C.P.C. The only bit I'm really worried about is the translation quality. They say they're "trying to work hard to improve it" but since even their website has lots of grammar problems, some spelling mistakes and lots of awkward sounding phrasing like 'Holding my hand, Nemu starts running while the bell that is hanging from her neck makes sound.' and 'Besides, there are still time left at this academy.' it's not too reassuring. It sounds like whoever's done it doesn't speak English as a native language from the type of mistakes, which would make sense with where it's based. Hopefully they'll at least get it edited by someone better than that with English before it's sent out. Last edited by EdenB; 2008-07-15 at 22:22. |
2008-07-15, 19:28 | Link #48 |
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Price is the only factor for me.. it's just way too high. They seem to be treating the English market as the same as the Japanese one with these ridiculous prices.. and we don't even get pretty boxes. But as tororo said (Circus CEO I believe?) if these games sell well enough, they might lower the prices and even offer physical copies. Until then, I'm not interested.
And DRM I could care less about. Most DRM restrictions I've seen (music, games, etc) are pretty reasonable. Translation quality is also not a big deal, unless it's really, really bad. Ever 17's translation was a sloppy and messy job, but I still enjoyed the title. Last edited by DarkWarrior; 2008-07-15 at 21:26. |
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